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		<title>By: Nash</title>
		<link>http://rightwingnuthouse.com/archives/2005/05/26/when-baloons-pop/comment-page-1/#comment-2260</link>
		<dc:creator>Nash</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 May 2005 14:52:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dean, I grant that you were able to be fairly straightforward, but you have failed to accurately describe the opinion that you are also caricaturing.  Communication is not aided if you can't accurately describe an opinion with which you disagree without making it an untrue cartoon.

&lt;i&gt;The “left,” generically speaking, either opposed the war effort from the beginning, or turned against it the moment it looked like bad things were happening (due to their general ignorance of military matters).&lt;/i&gt;

I will pass over the "generically speaking," since your very inclusion of it shows that you are aware you are unfairly broadbrushing millions of people.  I do this all the time myself, but it isn't attractive from either of us.

"either opposed the war effort"--stop right there.  No, there are a insignificant, nearly nil number of people who don't support the "war effort".  As so many do, you are conflating opposing the legitimacy and/or need for the Iraq war (which is the opinion of millions of Americans) with lack of support for the "war effort".  The overwhelming majority of people who didn't support invasion of Iraq in 2003 meantime strongly support the war effort, both in emotional as well as material ways.  I seriously doubt that conservative supporters of the Iraq invasion are any larger material or vocal supporters of the US military than progressives or liberals are.  Anecdotally, I will say that there isn't a single conservative in my own personal sphere who has sent a greater number of gifts, letters, magazines, food, and other forms of encouragement to our troops than I and a number of my progressive friends have.   I believe you need to personalize it by saying that if anyone disagrees with this administration's choice to go to war and handling of the war once there, then they are not supporting the war effort.  Well, you are simply wrong from every direction if that's how you reason it.  Of course, it's also necessary for you to claim that millions of Americans who disagree with you "turned against this war" when things looked tight, when any realistic reading of the polls from 2003 on has to show that progressives started out being against the need for this war from the inception and it is in fact significant portions of the *conservative* population who have continued to change their minds and question the very purpose for this invasion.  Your characterization of millions of progressives as ignorant of military matters is a caricature and it's not accurate and it's not fair and it's not helpful.  So, I'd say that no, you weren't able to accurately represent how millions of people who disagreed with you felt and to avoid making a joke of it at the same time.  What good does that do?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dean, I grant that you were able to be fairly straightforward, but you have failed to accurately describe the opinion that you are also caricaturing.  Communication is not aided if you can&#8217;t accurately describe an opinion with which you disagree without making it an untrue cartoon.</p>
<p><i>The “left,” generically speaking, either opposed the war effort from the beginning, or turned against it the moment it looked like bad things were happening (due to their general ignorance of military matters).</i></p>
<p>I will pass over the &#8220;generically speaking,&#8221; since your very inclusion of it shows that you are aware you are unfairly broadbrushing millions of people.  I do this all the time myself, but it isn&#8217;t attractive from either of us.</p>
<p>&#8220;either opposed the war effort&#8221;&#8211;stop right there.  No, there are a insignificant, nearly nil number of people who don&#8217;t support the &#8220;war effort&#8221;.  As so many do, you are conflating opposing the legitimacy and/or need for the Iraq war (which is the opinion of millions of Americans) with lack of support for the &#8220;war effort&#8221;.  The overwhelming majority of people who didn&#8217;t support invasion of Iraq in 2003 meantime strongly support the war effort, both in emotional as well as material ways.  I seriously doubt that conservative supporters of the Iraq invasion are any larger material or vocal supporters of the US military than progressives or liberals are.  Anecdotally, I will say that there isn&#8217;t a single conservative in my own personal sphere who has sent a greater number of gifts, letters, magazines, food, and other forms of encouragement to our troops than I and a number of my progressive friends have.   I believe you need to personalize it by saying that if anyone disagrees with this administration&#8217;s choice to go to war and handling of the war once there, then they are not supporting the war effort.  Well, you are simply wrong from every direction if that&#8217;s how you reason it.  Of course, it&#8217;s also necessary for you to claim that millions of Americans who disagree with you &#8220;turned against this war&#8221; when things looked tight, when any realistic reading of the polls from 2003 on has to show that progressives started out being against the need for this war from the inception and it is in fact significant portions of the *conservative* population who have continued to change their minds and question the very purpose for this invasion.  Your characterization of millions of progressives as ignorant of military matters is a caricature and it&#8217;s not accurate and it&#8217;s not fair and it&#8217;s not helpful.  So, I&#8217;d say that no, you weren&#8217;t able to accurately represent how millions of people who disagreed with you felt and to avoid making a joke of it at the same time.  What good does that do?</p>
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		<title>By: Dean's World</title>
		<link>http://rightwingnuthouse.com/archives/2005/05/26/when-baloons-pop/comment-page-1/#comment-2250</link>
		<dc:creator>Dean's World</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 May 2005 05:38:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Why The Press Is So Bad On War Coverage&lt;/strong&gt;
I left this comment in response to an apparently sincere leftist over at right wing nuthouse and thought it worth slightly editing and expanding and...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Why The Press Is So Bad On War Coverage</strong><br />
I left this comment in response to an apparently sincere leftist over at right wing nuthouse and thought it worth slightly editing and expanding and&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Dean's World</title>
		<link>http://rightwingnuthouse.com/archives/2005/05/26/when-baloons-pop/comment-page-1/#comment-2249</link>
		<dc:creator>Dean's World</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 May 2005 05:29:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Why The Press Is As It Is On War Coverage&lt;/strong&gt;
I left this comment in response to an apparently sincere leftist over at right wing nuthouse and thought it worth slightly editing and expanding and...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Why The Press Is As It Is On War Coverage</strong><br />
I left this comment in response to an apparently sincere leftist over at right wing nuthouse and thought it worth slightly editing and expanding and&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Dean Esmay</title>
		<link>http://rightwingnuthouse.com/archives/2005/05/26/when-baloons-pop/comment-page-1/#comment-2248</link>
		<dc:creator>Dean Esmay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 May 2005 05:23:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Can you explain in a straightforward way why, as you say, the left, aided by the liberal media, want to undermine the war effort?&lt;/i&gt;

The "left," generically speaking, either opposed the war effort from the beginning, or turned against it the moment it looked like bad things were happening (due to their general ignorance of military matters).

The media has an overrepresentation of such people in it. Add this in with the institutional anti-military, anti-government cynicism that's pervaded the press since the Watergate days, the "if it bleeds it leads" profit motive, and the fact that so many people on the left conflate "supporting the war effort" with "supporting the Bush administration" and you've got the perfect recipe for what we have now: a shallow, cynical, negative, stupid, and reflexively anti-American press corps.

It's not hard to explain at all. Nor is it unfixable--but you can't fix something that you won't admit is broken.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Can you explain in a straightforward way why, as you say, the left, aided by the liberal media, want to undermine the war effort?</i></p>
<p>The &#8220;left,&#8221; generically speaking, either opposed the war effort from the beginning, or turned against it the moment it looked like bad things were happening (due to their general ignorance of military matters).</p>
<p>The media has an overrepresentation of such people in it. Add this in with the institutional anti-military, anti-government cynicism that&#8217;s pervaded the press since the Watergate days, the &#8220;if it bleeds it leads&#8221; profit motive, and the fact that so many people on the left conflate &#8220;supporting the war effort&#8221; with &#8220;supporting the Bush administration&#8221; and you&#8217;ve got the perfect recipe for what we have now: a shallow, cynical, negative, stupid, and reflexively anti-American press corps.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not hard to explain at all. Nor is it unfixable&#8211;but you can&#8217;t fix something that you won&#8217;t admit is broken.</p>
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		<title>By: Balloon Juice</title>
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		<dc:creator>Balloon Juice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 May 2005 02:58:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;A Response to Rick&lt;/strong&gt;
I told Rick I would write a response to this long post of his, so here goes. First, let's acknowledge...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>A Response to Rick</strong><br />
I told Rick I would write a response to this long post of his, so here goes. First, let&#8217;s acknowledge&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Cullen Couch</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cullen Couch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 May 2005 20:58:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So true Andrei, and I think it's because the Bush administration conflates the nation's interests with those of the Republican party. While, they may honestly believe that building a permanent Republican hegemony will be good for the country, they're kicking so many cans down the road to ensure it that reasonable people can already see the trash heap looming ahead. But Bush and his ilk are either blind to it, or could care less. Neither situation honors our history, and history will remember.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So true Andrei, and I think it&#8217;s because the Bush administration conflates the nation&#8217;s interests with those of the Republican party. While, they may honestly believe that building a permanent Republican hegemony will be good for the country, they&#8217;re kicking so many cans down the road to ensure it that reasonable people can already see the trash heap looming ahead. But Bush and his ilk are either blind to it, or could care less. Neither situation honors our history, and history will remember.</p>
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		<title>By: Nash</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nash</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 May 2005 20:58:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Compare and contrast:

&lt;i&gt;I reject the premise of your comment. Bush has nothing to do with the effort by the left and their allies in the MSM to derail the war effort.&lt;/i&gt;

&lt;i&gt;And anyone who cares about this entire issue should resent the spurious charges made by Mr. Cole that somehow our concerns are related to “partisan political considerations.” Is it a fact that the left is using Abu Ghraib and other abuse stories to skewer the Bush Administration and try to undermine the war effort? The question answers itself.&lt;/i&gt;

These arguments are not consistent.  And while I'm at it, I'd really like to know what the motive is?  Can you explain in a straightforward way why, as you say, the left, aided by the liberal media, want to undermine the war effort?  Would you be willing to respond in a way that wasn't a caricature of someone's opinion, but actually something where they would say, "Yes, that accurately represents how I feel?"  Because up thread you complain about having words put in *your* mouth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Compare and contrast:</p>
<p><i>I reject the premise of your comment. Bush has nothing to do with the effort by the left and their allies in the MSM to derail the war effort.</i></p>
<p><i>And anyone who cares about this entire issue should resent the spurious charges made by Mr. Cole that somehow our concerns are related to “partisan political considerations.” Is it a fact that the left is using Abu Ghraib and other abuse stories to skewer the Bush Administration and try to undermine the war effort? The question answers itself.</i></p>
<p>These arguments are not consistent.  And while I&#8217;m at it, I&#8217;d really like to know what the motive is?  Can you explain in a straightforward way why, as you say, the left, aided by the liberal media, want to undermine the war effort?  Would you be willing to respond in a way that wasn&#8217;t a caricature of someone&#8217;s opinion, but actually something where they would say, &#8220;Yes, that accurately represents how I feel?&#8221;  Because up thread you complain about having words put in *your* mouth.</p>
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		<title>By: RiverRat</title>
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		<dc:creator>RiverRat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 May 2005 20:53:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rick,

An aside!  I believe the term "Shadow Media" was coined by Ace.  Although it seem at present to be a vaild descriptor, I wonder if some variant of "open" might be a better choice as the discriptive adjective.

Entry Word: open
Function: adjective
Text: 1 not closed or obstructed &lt;escaped through the open gate&gt; 
Synonyms patent, unclosed, unobstructed 
Related Word agape, dehiscent, gaping, patulous, ringent, wide, yawning; ajar; unbarred, unbolted, unfastened, unlocked, unsealed; clear, unimpeded 
Contrasted Words blocked, obstructed; constricted, cramped, narrow, strait
Antonyms closed, shut
2 lacking a cover or covering &lt;an open wound that continued to ooze blood&gt; &lt;his chest open to the sun&gt; 
Synonyms bare, denuded, exposed, naked, peeled, stripped, uncovered
3 
Synonyms LIABLE 2, exposed, obnoxious, prone, sensitive, subject, susceptible
Antonyms closed
4 not restricted to a particular group or situation &lt;favored open enrollment in the schools&gt; 
Synonyms accessible, open-door, public, unrestricted 
Related Word attainable, available, obtainable, reachable, securable
Idioms to be had, within reach 
Contrasted Words limited, restricted; inaccessible, private
Antonyms closed
5 available for use or consideration or decision &lt;there are only two courses open to us&gt; 
Synonyms accessible, employable, operative, practicable, usable 
Related Word appropriate, fit, proper, suitable; acceptable, agreeable, pleasing
Idioms within reach 
Contrasted Words inaccessible, inoperative, unusable
Antonyms closed
6 
Synonyms DOUBTFUL 1, ambiguous, dubious, dubitable, equivocal, indecisive, problematic, uncertain, undecided, unsettled
7 
Synonyms FRANK, candid, openhearted, plain, straightforward, unconcealed, undisguised, undissembled, undissembling, unvarnished
Antonyms close; clandestine

Many choices seem available...for example, "Accessible Media"&lt;/there&gt;&lt;/favored&gt;&lt;/his&gt;&lt;/an&gt;&lt;/escaped&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rick,</p>
<p>An aside!  I believe the term &#8220;Shadow Media&#8221; was coined by Ace.  Although it seem at present to be a vaild descriptor, I wonder if some variant of &#8220;open&#8221; might be a better choice as the discriptive adjective.</p>
<p>Entry Word: open<br />
Function: adjective<br />
Text: 1 not closed or obstructed <escaped through the open gate><br />
Synonyms patent, unclosed, unobstructed<br />
Related Word agape, dehiscent, gaping, patulous, ringent, wide, yawning; ajar; unbarred, unbolted, unfastened, unlocked, unsealed; clear, unimpeded<br />
Contrasted Words blocked, obstructed; constricted, cramped, narrow, strait<br />
Antonyms closed, shut<br />
2 lacking a cover or covering <an open wound that continued to ooze blood> <his chest open to the sun><br />
Synonyms bare, denuded, exposed, naked, peeled, stripped, uncovered<br />
3<br />
Synonyms LIABLE 2, exposed, obnoxious, prone, sensitive, subject, susceptible<br />
Antonyms closed<br />
4 not restricted to a particular group or situation <favored open enrollment in the schools><br />
Synonyms accessible, open-door, public, unrestricted<br />
Related Word attainable, available, obtainable, reachable, securable<br />
Idioms to be had, within reach<br />
Contrasted Words limited, restricted; inaccessible, private<br />
Antonyms closed<br />
5 available for use or consideration or decision
<there are only two courses open to us>
Synonyms accessible, employable, operative, practicable, usable<br />
Related Word appropriate, fit, proper, suitable; acceptable, agreeable, pleasing<br />
Idioms within reach<br />
Contrasted Words inaccessible, inoperative, unusable<br />
Antonyms closed<br />
6<br />
Synonyms DOUBTFUL 1, ambiguous, dubious, dubitable, equivocal, indecisive, problematic, uncertain, undecided, unsettled<br />
7<br />
Synonyms FRANK, candid, openhearted, plain, straightforward, unconcealed, undisguised, undissembled, undissembling, unvarnished<br />
Antonyms close; clandestine</p>
<p>Many choices seem available&#8230;for example, &#8220;Accessible Media&#8221;</there></favored></his></an></escaped></p>
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		<title>By: Andrei</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrei</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 May 2005 20:45:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"Just as an aside, I lived and worked in Washington during the 1970’s and 1980’s when the Democrats controlled both Houses of Congress by huge majorities and saw the exercise of power that left Republicans out in the cold on every national issue. Only when Reagan took office (and Republicans captured the Senate) was there a shift. But that didn’t stop the Democrats from practicing a little power politics of their own in the House of Representatives by severely limiting Republican committee membership and the like."

There's a great scene in the movie "Welcome to the Dollhouse" where a young Dawn Weiner -- who is all of 12 years old and is brutally picked on and teased by all the other kids in her junior high school -- walks down the street and comes across some 1st graders playing with a ball. The ball wanders into Dawn's path, and instead of politely giving the ball back to the kids, she kicks it viciously into the street, while scowling at the kids angrily.

An accurate commentary on how victims promote and recycle the culture of victimhood from generation to generation.

The Dems did it to us! We'll do it back! We'll make them pay ten-fold!

Yeah, that inspires confidence for the future of the country. 

I have seen the enemy and it is us. The rest of the world is catching up with us, already surpassing our test scores, surpassing our technology development, taking more core business across the ocean, getting into space exploration, breaking new ground in medical research, etc. and we're sitting around playing a game of neener neener in Washington while shooting ourselves in the foot with a haphazard, incompetent and incoherent military strategy and foreign policy to fight the world's dictators.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Just as an aside, I lived and worked in Washington during the 1970’s and 1980’s when the Democrats controlled both Houses of Congress by huge majorities and saw the exercise of power that left Republicans out in the cold on every national issue. Only when Reagan took office (and Republicans captured the Senate) was there a shift. But that didn’t stop the Democrats from practicing a little power politics of their own in the House of Representatives by severely limiting Republican committee membership and the like.&#8221;</p>
<p>There&#8217;s a great scene in the movie &#8220;Welcome to the Dollhouse&#8221; where a young Dawn Weiner &#8212; who is all of 12 years old and is brutally picked on and teased by all the other kids in her junior high school &#8212; walks down the street and comes across some 1st graders playing with a ball. The ball wanders into Dawn&#8217;s path, and instead of politely giving the ball back to the kids, she kicks it viciously into the street, while scowling at the kids angrily.</p>
<p>An accurate commentary on how victims promote and recycle the culture of victimhood from generation to generation.</p>
<p>The Dems did it to us! We&#8217;ll do it back! We&#8217;ll make them pay ten-fold!</p>
<p>Yeah, that inspires confidence for the future of the country. </p>
<p>I have seen the enemy and it is us. The rest of the world is catching up with us, already surpassing our test scores, surpassing our technology development, taking more core business across the ocean, getting into space exploration, breaking new ground in medical research, etc. and we&#8217;re sitting around playing a game of neener neener in Washington while shooting ourselves in the foot with a haphazard, incompetent and incoherent military strategy and foreign policy to fight the world&#8217;s dictators.</p>
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		<title>By: Cullen Couch</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cullen Couch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 May 2005 20:18:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have read the memos. Viewed in their best light, they are an embarrasment. As implemented, they are a public relations disaster. I'm afraid my fevered imagination has conjured up images of "stress techniques" that some narrow-minded ignoramuses might even consider "actual, physical torture." But, of course, that can't be because our President denies it and we certainly can't disagree with him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have read the memos. Viewed in their best light, they are an embarrasment. As implemented, they are a public relations disaster. I&#8217;m afraid my fevered imagination has conjured up images of &#8220;stress techniques&#8221; that some narrow-minded ignoramuses might even consider &#8220;actual, physical torture.&#8221; But, of course, that can&#8217;t be because our President denies it and we certainly can&#8217;t disagree with him.</p>
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