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		<title>By: Some_Yahoo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Some_Yahoo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jun 2005 21:47:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"massive numbers of uninsured".  What do you suppose the reasons for that might be?  When I was in college, and 25 years old, I had to choose between medical coverage (which I never used) and beer.  I chose beer, as would most 25 year olds.

The only way to get 'full coverage for all' would be to give it away*, but even if you did that many people would ask, "medical coverage is nice, but can I cash it in and use it to pay my rent?"  

I contend that 'full coverage for all' means covering those for whom medical coverage is a priority as well as those for whom it is not.  Rationally, if medical coverage is not a priority for an individual, then why are we attempting to force it on them?

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*when I say 'give it away', I mean steal from the working class and give to the poor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;massive numbers of uninsured&#8221;.  What do you suppose the reasons for that might be?  When I was in college, and 25 years old, I had to choose between medical coverage (which I never used) and beer.  I chose beer, as would most 25 year olds.</p>
<p>The only way to get &#8216;full coverage for all&#8217; would be to give it away*, but even if you did that many people would ask, &#8220;medical coverage is nice, but can I cash it in and use it to pay my rent?&#8221;  </p>
<p>I contend that &#8216;full coverage for all&#8217; means covering those for whom medical coverage is a priority as well as those for whom it is not.  Rationally, if medical coverage is not a priority for an individual, then why are we attempting to force it on them?</p>
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*when I say &#8216;give it away&#8217;, I mean steal from the working class and give to the poor.</p>
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		<title>By: docG</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jun 2005 18:55:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A couple of anecdotes cannot communicate much about the entire Canadian health care system. I wouldn't believe that a couple of anecdotes about prompt and effective medical care in Canada, which are surely available, would prove the system works and neither would you. How about looking up some facts? What is the average length of wait, and the maximum and minimum length of wait for routine care and for emergency care? What is the documented level of consumer satisfaction with the system? How does the overall system effectiveness compare with other developed nations?

You also do not comment on how the U.S. rations health care. I suspect that our massive numbers of uninsured, huge deductibles, ever increasing consumer health insurance costs, refusal to cover those with preexisting conditions and fewer and fewer companies participating in health insurance coverage for employees or lowering their levels of contribution are also forms of rationing that do not lead to positive outcomes for tens of millions of Americans. 

Perhaps Canada's model would not work for America. Our for profit system of health care is providing marvelous specialty care for some, but continually less and less overall care for fewer and fewer people. These trajectories cannot continue indefinitely without intersecting at a point of system collapse. If universal health care coverage is not the solution, what is?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A couple of anecdotes cannot communicate much about the entire Canadian health care system. I wouldn&#8217;t believe that a couple of anecdotes about prompt and effective medical care in Canada, which are surely available, would prove the system works and neither would you. How about looking up some facts? What is the average length of wait, and the maximum and minimum length of wait for routine care and for emergency care? What is the documented level of consumer satisfaction with the system? How does the overall system effectiveness compare with other developed nations?</p>
<p>You also do not comment on how the U.S. rations health care. I suspect that our massive numbers of uninsured, huge deductibles, ever increasing consumer health insurance costs, refusal to cover those with preexisting conditions and fewer and fewer companies participating in health insurance coverage for employees or lowering their levels of contribution are also forms of rationing that do not lead to positive outcomes for tens of millions of Americans. </p>
<p>Perhaps Canada&#8217;s model would not work for America. Our for profit system of health care is providing marvelous specialty care for some, but continually less and less overall care for fewer and fewer people. These trajectories cannot continue indefinitely without intersecting at a point of system collapse. If universal health care coverage is not the solution, what is?</p>
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