The idea he’s going to find evidence that the White House cooked the books on intelligence isn’t even wishful thinking; it’s self delusion.

And you’re ignorance about who and what neocons are is breathtaking. If you knew what a “neocon” was you’d know that I’m not even close to being one. Not even in the ballpark.

From the SSCI Report (bi-partisan, unanimously approved). This is from Wilsons OWN REPORT!

The Intelligence report indicated that former Niger Prime Minister Ibrahim Mayaki was unaware of any contracts signed between Niger and any rougue states for the sale of yellowcake while he was Prime Minister (1997-1999) or Foriegn Minister (1996-1997). Mayaki said that if there had been any such contract during his tenure he would have been aware of it.Mayaki said, however, in June 1999, (blacked out) businessman, approached him and insisted Mayaki meet with an Iraqi delegation to discuss “expanding commercial relations” between Iraq and Niger. The Intelligence report said that Mayaki interpreted “expanding commercial relations” to mean that the delegation wanted to discuss uranium yellowcake sales. The Intelligence report said that “although the meeting took place, Mayaki let the matter drop due to UN sanctions on Iraq.”

You’re right about one thing - it wasn’t the President of Niger it was the former PM.

What part of that statement from Wilson’s own report don’t you understand? What do you think the Iraqi’s wanted to buy, cows? Chickpeas? Onions? Those three things are the only other items of note that Niger exports.

The next time you call someone a liar, make very sure you have them dead to rights. Otherwise, you’ll appear as you do now; Someone who not only doesn’t know what they’re talking about but someone with egg on their face and every person who reads this laughing at you.

Mr. Rick Moran, (You have no idea how much I chuckle each time I read your last name) I saw a photo of a Neo Con holding up a sign pre Iraq invasion which read: “Support the war Morans”. When I see your name I sense your affinity with him.

To the point, you stated in the above referred to post (The first post in this thread) the following, quote:

“The problem for Mr. McGovern is that the Butler Review discovered that the forged memo was not the entire basis for the intelligence estimate regarding Iraq and Niger. In fact, that body found that the President of Niger admitted that representatives from Iraq met with Niger government officials to seek access to yellowcake supplies. And of course, Bush never said that Iraq had purchased yellowcake, only that they “sought” the mineral. This was 100% true as confirmed by both the British and Niger governments.”

The problem for you of course is that the Butler Review never made any link to the Niger President whatsoever. (Mr. Ibrahim Bare) As a matter of fact Mr. Bare was gunned down in a coup a few scant weeks later. Call your mistake what you will. Distortion, Fabrication, Deception, Lie. This is the type of behavior the Bush Administration has engages in, so its no wonder the GOP groupies have adopted the same deceitful conduct. Birds of a feather.

F.Y.I. Patrick Fitzgerald (U.S. Attorney) has cast a wide net in regard to the uranium lies and who took responsibility for the inaccuracies stated to the American public by the White House. The probe is not merely about who leaked the CIA agents name. Its also about the motive for doing so. I don’t know where it is going for sure, but I have my suspicions. There are a few things I do know. Lies and distortions rarely work in a criminal court and in the best case scenario bloggers have little influence and those that can’t get their facts straight influence fewer still. The best Neo fact distorters can hope for are nods of approval from fellow flightless birds.

Regards,

martin

Wilson’s report never made it to the White House.
The Butler review proved that Iraq “sought” uranium not just from Niger but from the Congo as well.And anyone who thinks that the entire yellowcake story is some kind of hinge that will bring down the Bush Administration is deluded.

“At the time, we thought they may have been trying to obtain uranium.”

The problem is that it doesn’t fly now and it didn’t fly then. The Downing Street memos articulate British concerns regarding the lack of substance to the claims. The CIA completely discounted the uranium acquisition story and informed the Bush White House of such. Even the dog and pony show “Butler Review” doesn’t refute the CIA, they merely state: “The British intelligence was based upon other sources which the Butler Review, like their government, fails in any way to identify to corroborate the bona fides of their otherwise indefensible assertion.

A both comical and revealing fact itemized by the Butler review paraphrases out to:

“75% of Niger’s exports are uranium, what else could Iraq have possibly initiated a state visit about?”

Page 125, Paragraph 503(b)
http://www.butlerreview.org.uk/report/report.pdf
Apparently, the “Butler Review” and Scotland Yard have different standards. Then again, maybe not, Scotland Yard did just assassinate a Brazilian in cold blood.

The Identifying characteristic of the Neo Con is the inability, intentional or otherwise, to get the facts straight. It could be intelligence related. It could also be obfuscation related. Neo Con’s don’t like the truth. They hide from it like rats in the recesses of sewers.

Our host in the original post of this thread said that the President of Niger, Mr. Ibrahim Bare, revealed that the Iraqi diplomatic mission of 1999 involved the proposed purchase and sale of uranium. The facts are that an Iraqi diplomat visited Niger on February 8, 1999 during a four nation African diplomatic mission and that an invitation was extended to President Bare to visit Iraq between April 20 thru 30, 1999. President Bare must have acted very quickly to reveal to British Intelligence that the true purpose of the trip was to purchase uranium, because he passed away on April 9th of 1999 and the visit never occurred.
Page 124, Paragraph 502
Butler Review

All of which is highly quizzical, because Iraq has the ability to mine it’s own uranium and has mined its own uranium.

You can tell a Neo Con by how foot loose and fancy free they play with the facts in serious situations. It isn’t about right with them. It’s about their way. It’s about their agenda. Zealots are always to be kept a close eye upon. Facts aren’t important to them. I knew it was Bullshit the instant I read it, but then I’ve developed a formidable bullshit detector, compliments of the Bush Administration.

I consider this matter closed. It’s time to wait and see if spin can work in criminal court.

Regards,

Martin

If you knew what it meant you’d know I’m the farthest thing from a Neocon you can get. I’m not even in the ballpark.

As for the Niger President’s comments, try the Butler Review or the SSCI report. He didn’t sell the yellowcake because it would have been in violation of the sanctions. But that doesn’t obviate the fact that the Iraq “businessmen” didn’t inquire after the mineral.