Comments on: THE FULMINATER http://rightwingnuthouse.com/archives/2005/09/05/the-fulminator/ Politics served up with a smile... And a stilletto. Tue, 21 Apr 2026 08:45:03 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.7 hourly 1 By: designer-purse http://rightwingnuthouse.com/archives/2005/09/05/the-fulminator/comment-page-2/#comment-311232 designer-purse Thu, 07 Sep 2006 08:22:48 +0000 http://rightwingnuthouse.com/?p=764#comment-311232 <strong>designer-purse</strong> designer-purse

]]> By: Tom G http://rightwingnuthouse.com/archives/2005/09/05/the-fulminator/comment-page-2/#comment-60314 Tom G Tue, 13 Sep 2005 12:30:16 +0000 http://rightwingnuthouse.com/?p=764#comment-60314 I see that the Left is still engaging in lame and clueless attempts to pin total responsibility for this catastrophe on the sinister Bush and his nefarious neocon cabal. It's hilarious, really. After five years of screaming that Bush is a fascist, a Nazi, a dictator, progerssives now have their knickers in a twist because Bush DIDN'T act like a dictator. As far as the response to Katrina is concerned, compared with Louisiana state government and New Orleans city government, the federal response was a model of efficiency. To expect perfection is the demand of a child. I see that the Left is still engaging in lame and clueless attempts to pin total responsibility for this catastrophe on the sinister Bush and his nefarious neocon cabal. It’s hilarious, really. After five years of screaming that Bush is a fascist, a Nazi, a dictator, progerssives now have their knickers in a twist because Bush DIDN’T act like a dictator.

As far as the response to Katrina is concerned, compared with Louisiana state government and New Orleans city government, the federal response was a model of efficiency. To expect perfection is the demand of a child.

]]> By: Neil' http://rightwingnuthouse.com/archives/2005/09/05/the-fulminator/comment-page-1/#comment-58874 Neil' Sat, 10 Sep 2005 00:41:09 +0000 http://rightwingnuthouse.com/?p=764#comment-58874 "Actually, the government response to the disaster somewhat proves conservative’s point about bureaucratic incapacity." - ! No, it is about *who* was in charge this time (federally: Bush/Republican Congress.) It's the perfect hack for the destroy-government crowd: underfund agencies and "staff" them with hacks. Then, when they screw up, say this shows that "government" doesn't work, then cut funding more etc. It's the perfect self-fulfilling prophecy, and gives Norquist Republicans a deliberate motive to do a poor job. Are you right-wing commentariat really that stupid, or just flacks? (or both?) BTW, dealing with flooding of the Mississippi on such a scale is a Federal responsibility. For example, the levees are under the management of the Army Corps of Engineers, a point missed by the mindless localists around here. Indeed, the Mississippi delta is in effect a hydrological ward of the US Government. “Actually, the government response to the disaster somewhat proves conservative’s point about bureaucratic incapacity.” - ! No, it is about *who* was in charge this time (federally: Bush/Republican Congress.) It’s the perfect hack for the destroy-government crowd: underfund agencies and “staff” them with hacks. Then, when they screw up, say this shows that “government” doesn’t work, then cut funding more etc. It’s the perfect self-fulfilling prophecy, and gives Norquist Republicans a deliberate motive to do a poor job. Are you right-wing commentariat really that stupid, or just flacks? (or both?)

BTW, dealing with flooding of the Mississippi on such a scale is a Federal responsibility. For example, the levees are under the management of the Army Corps of Engineers, a point missed by the mindless localists around here. Indeed, the Mississippi delta is in effect a hydrological ward of the US Government.

]]> By: K.M. http://rightwingnuthouse.com/archives/2005/09/05/the-fulminator/comment-page-1/#comment-57599 K.M. Wed, 07 Sep 2005 13:22:49 +0000 http://rightwingnuthouse.com/?p=764#comment-57599 <i>Aside from that, Tom, it’s the goverment’s responsibility to maintain order. Even if your point were true, that order completely broke down, it’s the government’s job to maintain order. The local resources were obviously and immediately overwhelmed by the size of the disaster so it was the Federal goverment’s responsibility to restore order</i> ---With whom Eric? The military? Um, that is <b>illegal</b>, you're aware of that right? --Your posts demonstrate an ignorance on the topic that is embarassing, yet you feel the need to comment. Very unsure why.... Aside from that, Tom, it’s the goverment’s responsibility to maintain order. Even if your point were true, that order completely broke down, it’s the government’s job to maintain order. The local resources were obviously and immediately overwhelmed by the size of the disaster so it was the Federal goverment’s responsibility to restore order

—With whom Eric? The military? Um, that is illegal, you’re aware of that right?

–Your posts demonstrate an ignorance on the topic that is embarassing, yet you feel the need to comment.
Very unsure why….

]]> By: Am I A Pundit Now? http://rightwingnuthouse.com/archives/2005/09/05/the-fulminator/comment-page-1/#comment-57470 Am I A Pundit Now? Wed, 07 Sep 2005 07:14:55 +0000 http://rightwingnuthouse.com/?p=764#comment-57470 <strong>Fixing The Katrina Memes</strong> I have to hand it to Hugh Hewitt, he was right. The Left's reaction to Katrina, rather than being a bounteous outpouring of that famous liberal compassion, was instead the Wellstone Memorial redux. Hugh advised that if your opponent is making a foo... Fixing The Katrina Memes

I have to hand it to Hugh Hewitt, he was right. The Left’s reaction to Katrina, rather than being a bounteous outpouring of that famous liberal compassion, was instead the Wellstone Memorial redux.
Hugh advised that if your opponent is making a foo…

]]> By: Anita http://rightwingnuthouse.com/archives/2005/09/05/the-fulminator/comment-page-1/#comment-57293 Anita Wed, 07 Sep 2005 02:34:57 +0000 http://rightwingnuthouse.com/?p=764#comment-57293 Little Pinch Sulzberger's country club newspaper peddles in-crowd arrogance. Those of us who live in the real world, pay our taxes, pay our mortgages, raise our kids, and send money to Katrina relief organizations don't belong to the country club and wouldn't be welcome even if we wanted to belong. Whether we like it or not, the Feds can't be everywhere at once. The last hurricane I was in, FEMA took 4 days to arrive (just like they always do), and were pretty useless once they got here (just like they always are). People who didn't prepare were not happy, but then people who live on the Gulf Coast KNOW that hurricane season is every year from April to November and residents better have provisions and contingency plans at the ready. As in: evacuations. BTW, Governor Blanco failed to sign the executive order declaring a state of emergency until Wednesday, nearly 48 hours after the levees were breached. Poor doesn't make people stupid. It makes them dependent on mass transportation. Louisiana officials left that mass transportation locked up in a bus yard, and the poor people locked up in the un-provisioned SuperDome. Both got flooded. Louisiana's people were sold out by their state and local politicians, who doubtless ran on a platform to repeal the law of cause and effect. Little Pinch Sulzberger’s country club newspaper peddles in-crowd arrogance. Those of us who live in the real world, pay our taxes, pay our mortgages, raise our kids, and send money to Katrina relief organizations don’t belong to the country club and wouldn’t be welcome even if we wanted to belong.
Whether we like it or not, the Feds can’t be everywhere at once. The last hurricane I was in, FEMA took 4 days to arrive (just like they always do), and were pretty useless once they got here (just like they always are). People who didn’t prepare were not happy, but then people who live on the Gulf Coast KNOW that hurricane season is every year from April to November and residents better have provisions and contingency plans at the ready. As in: evacuations. BTW, Governor Blanco failed to sign the executive order declaring a state of emergency until Wednesday, nearly 48 hours after the levees were breached.
Poor doesn’t make people stupid. It makes them dependent on mass transportation. Louisiana officials left that mass transportation locked up in a bus yard, and the poor people locked up in the un-provisioned SuperDome. Both got flooded.
Louisiana’s people were sold out by their state and local politicians, who doubtless ran on a platform to repeal the law of cause and effect.

]]> By: plik http://rightwingnuthouse.com/archives/2005/09/05/the-fulminator/comment-page-1/#comment-57170 plik Tue, 06 Sep 2005 21:58:11 +0000 http://rightwingnuthouse.com/?p=764#comment-57170 Hey Rick! Could you should check out your commenting software. Here's some of the comments that somehow got deleted from last night's discussions. Don't know how they got lost. If you need the URLs for these comments, let me know, I've got them. ------ f_f Says: 
September 5th, 2005 at 10:22 pm “The responsibility,” of government, Churchill told the British Parliament “for the public safety is absolute and requires no mandate. It is in fact, the prime object for which governments come into existence.” Regarding: “Federal assistance in place by Tuesday afternoon” from Jacksonville, Fla., to Houston. I guess it depends on what the definition of “in Place” is. It certainly wasn’t the Convention Center. Regarding: “his depiction of a fully staffed hospital ship off the coast on the day of the storm.” Can you tell me what day the airport started accepting casualties? I don’t recall many Army helicopters moving people from the Dome or the Convention Center until Friday. (The Coast Guard copters were busy pulling people off roofs.) “And for Krugman to say that conservatives hate all government is worse than simplistic; it’s moronic.” Grover Norquist wants to “drag government into a bathtub and strangle it.” Is this just a PR problem? Didn’t Bush run as the security President?”I’ll Protect You, The Other Guy Will Let You Die” “The Global War on Terror will take a long time” After the Katina Federal response, I sure feel safer. ------ f_f Says: 
September 5th, 2005 at 10:38 pm mistercalm Says: “This blaming FEDERAL government for not smacking the local and state governments aside and taking over shows what little some of the comment writers understand of chain of command and viability of response.” I understand chain of command. I’m a retired U.S. Army Officer. As a Company Commander, if one of my Privates lost his weapon, I could kiss my career good bye. The chain works two ways. The Private is responsible for his weapon. I’m responsible to make sure he never forgets it. Sure, the city and state should have a great plan and execute it well. But it’s also FEMA’s responsibility to make sure it’s a good plan and “smack” them if there’s problems with implementation. “viability of response?” Tell me, where was the fleet of Blackhawks parked that the Mayor needed to get food and water to the Convention Center? ------ f_f Says: 
September 6th, 2005 at 12:49 am Jay Says: “Was Bush slow to respond? I am not sure, the levees didn’t break until late Monday, and he was over the city on Tuesday.” Hmmm, a Google search says the levee broke before noon on Monday while Bush was sharing cake with McCain. Bush strummed his guitar and stayed in Crawford on Tuesday and flew over the Gulf Coast on Wednesday. Then the Army showed up on Friday, just as he was helicoptering into New Orleans. Jay Says: “The bottom line for us politically is that this disaster shows that Liberals want the Federal Government to be an all powerful nanny state, taking care of our every need…” There have been references to Bush as another Churchhill. Mr. Bush, I knew Churchill and you’re no… “The responsibility,” of government, Churchill told the British Parliament “for the public safety is absolute and requires no mandate. It is in fact, the prime object for which governments come into existence.” Jay Says: “while conservatives still believe that which governs closest, governs best, and governs least. Interestingly, we saw that in MS and AL,...” Didn’t Lott, from MS, use to have a high position in the republican party? “In a sign of the political pressure facing Bush, Mississippi Republican Sen. Trent Lott, a former Senate majority leader, said he has been battling the Federal Emergency Management Agency and its Mississippi counterpart for help for his state and urged Bush to cut red tape. After a one-on-one meeting with Bush in Poplarville, Lott said: “I am demanding help for the people of Mississippi to recover from the devastation of Hurricane Katrina.” Tom G Says: “Given the immense complexities involved in deploying, say, an Army aviation battalion into an area ravaged by a category 4 hurricane, ... Far more sensible to wait for the storm to pass before deploying them.” Tom, babe, the hurricane passed on Monday. The first Army aviation showed up on Friday as Marine 1 was heading into town and LG Honore was rolling convoys to the Convention Center. Four days for a pre-flight check? Who was doing the thumb-sucking? ------ f_f Says: 
September 6th, 2005 at 1:00 am TJ Jackson Says:”The main question I have in the event of a nuclear or WMD attack by terrorists we should now allow the Federal government to run the show. Local problems caused by nature should remain in the realm of the states and local authorities.” TJ, when did you find out that the break in the levee was caused by the storm and not by an explosive/biochem bomb set off by an Al Queda sleeper cell? After all Bush and Chertoff immediately said that no one could have expected the levees to break. Must have been an unnatural act. ------ Hey Rick! Could you should check out your commenting software. Here’s some of the comments that somehow got deleted from last night’s discussions. Don’t know how they got lost. If you need the URLs for these comments, let me know, I’ve got them.

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f_f Says: 
September 5th, 2005 at 10:22 pm

“The responsibility,” of government, Churchill told the British Parliament “for the public safety is absolute and requires no mandate. It is in fact, the prime object for which governments come into existence.”

Regarding: “Federal assistance in place by Tuesday afternoon” from Jacksonville, Fla., to Houston. I guess it depends on what the definition of “in Place” is. It certainly wasn’t the Convention Center.

Regarding: “his depiction of a fully staffed hospital ship off the coast on the day of the storm.” Can you tell me what day the airport started accepting casualties? I don’t recall many Army helicopters moving people from the Dome or the Convention Center until Friday. (The Coast Guard copters were busy pulling people off roofs.)

“And for Krugman to say that conservatives hate all government is worse than simplistic; it’s moronic.” Grover Norquist wants to “drag government into a bathtub and strangle it.” Is this just a PR problem?

Didn’t Bush run as the security President?”I’ll Protect You, The Other Guy Will Let You Die”

“The Global War on Terror will take a long time”

After the Katina Federal response, I sure feel safer.

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f_f Says: 
September 5th, 2005 at 10:38 pm

mistercalm Says: “This blaming FEDERAL government for not smacking the local and state governments aside and taking over shows what little some of the comment writers understand of chain of command and viability of response.”

I understand chain of command. I’m a retired U.S. Army Officer. As a Company Commander, if one of my Privates lost his weapon, I could kiss my career good bye. The chain works two ways. The Private is responsible for his weapon. I’m responsible to make sure he never forgets it.

Sure, the city and state should have a great plan and execute it well. But it’s also FEMA’s responsibility to make sure it’s a good plan and “smack” them if there’s problems with implementation.

“viability of response?” Tell me, where was the fleet of Blackhawks parked that the Mayor needed to get food and water to the Convention Center?

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f_f Says: 
September 6th, 2005 at 12:49 am

Jay Says: “Was Bush slow to respond? I am not sure, the levees didn’t break until late Monday, and he was over the city on Tuesday.”

Hmmm, a Google search says the levee broke before noon on Monday while Bush was sharing cake with McCain. Bush strummed his guitar and stayed in Crawford on Tuesday and flew over the Gulf Coast on Wednesday. Then the Army showed up on Friday, just as he was helicoptering into New Orleans.

Jay Says: “The bottom line for us politically is that this disaster shows that Liberals want the Federal Government to be an all powerful nanny state, taking care of our every need…”

There have been references to Bush as another Churchhill. Mr. Bush, I knew Churchill and you’re no… “The responsibility,” of government, Churchill told the British Parliament “for the public safety is absolute and requires no mandate. It is in fact, the prime object for which governments come into existence.”

Jay Says: “while conservatives still believe that which governs closest, governs best, and governs least. Interestingly, we saw that in MS and AL,…”

Didn’t Lott, from MS, use to have a high position in the republican party? “In a sign of the political pressure facing Bush, Mississippi Republican Sen. Trent Lott, a former Senate majority leader, said he has been battling the Federal Emergency Management Agency and its Mississippi counterpart for help for his state and urged Bush to cut red tape. After a one-on-one meeting with Bush in Poplarville, Lott said: “I am demanding help for the people of Mississippi to recover from the devastation of Hurricane Katrina.”

Tom G Says: “Given the immense complexities involved in deploying, say, an Army aviation battalion into an area ravaged by a category 4 hurricane, … Far more sensible to wait for the storm to pass before deploying them.”

Tom, babe, the hurricane passed on Monday. The first Army aviation showed up on Friday as Marine 1 was heading into town and LG Honore was rolling convoys to the Convention Center. Four days for a pre-flight check? Who was doing the thumb-sucking?

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f_f Says: 
September 6th, 2005 at 1:00 am

TJ Jackson Says:”The main question I have in the event of a nuclear or WMD attack by terrorists we should now allow the Federal government to run the show. Local problems caused by nature should remain in the realm of the states and local authorities.”

TJ, when did you find out that the break in the levee was caused by the storm and not by an explosive/biochem bomb set off by an Al Queda sleeper cell?

After all Bush and Chertoff immediately said that no one could have expected the levees to break. Must have been an unnatural act.

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]]> By: Tom G http://rightwingnuthouse.com/archives/2005/09/05/the-fulminator/comment-page-1/#comment-57115 Tom G Tue, 06 Sep 2005 16:56:12 +0000 http://rightwingnuthouse.com/?p=764#comment-57115 I would hardly call widespread looting and armed gangs in the street "typical." And the responsibility for this situation rested with the city and state governments, NOT with FEMA or any other branch of the federal government. Indeed, the US armed forces are barred by statute from participating in domestic law enforcement. The question that ought to be asked is: Why did the Governor of Louisiana not order the National Guard in sooner? Once the Guard did appear in force, the situation rapidly improved. The Left suffers, as always, from Selective Memory Syndrome. In this case, the fact that such things as state and local governments exist seems to have slipped their minds. I would hardly call widespread looting and armed gangs in the street “typical.” And the responsibility for this situation rested with the city and state governments, NOT with FEMA or any other branch of the federal government. Indeed, the US armed forces are barred by statute from participating in domestic law enforcement. The question that ought to be asked is: Why did the Governor of Louisiana not order the National Guard in sooner? Once the Guard did appear in force, the situation rapidly improved.

The Left suffers, as always, from Selective Memory Syndrome. In this case, the fact that such things as state and local governments exist seems to have slipped their minds.

]]> By: Livermoron http://rightwingnuthouse.com/archives/2005/09/05/the-fulminator/comment-page-1/#comment-57104 Livermoron Tue, 06 Sep 2005 16:07:26 +0000 http://rightwingnuthouse.com/?p=764#comment-57104 Eric evinces a real lack of knowledge about local, state and federal responsibilities. He is also embarrassingly bereft of a basic understanding of how federal authority may be used. It is also evident that Eric was never in the military as every soldier, sailor, airman and marine who graduates basic training learns that members of the Armed Services are expressly forbidden to engage in any law enforcement activites. They cannot in any way attempt to assist LE resources in any capacity. This is the Posse Comitatus Act of 1870. So Federal auturities can't just jump in and take over. The basic facts are: - Bush personally implores Mayor Nagin to evacuate the city 48 hours before K hit town. - THe NO official disater plan requires the Mayor to evacuate the city 72 hours in advance of the hurricane...yet it took a call from the Pres to get him to act. - The Pres declared it a disater area BEFORE the storm hit - FEMA's own protocols stipulate that local authorities need to be prepared for a 48-72 delay before Federal resources arrive. It is expected that the local PDs and FDs will provide first responder support and not engage in looting or just walk away. - The leveee broke Monday. Fed resources were there Tuesday. - Why didn't NO have plans and training to deal with all the elderly, medication-dependent and handicapped folks? Why were the buses not used? This is local responsibility. - Why didn't the Governor mobilize the LANG faster? - Why is MS, where the brunt of the storm hit and did terrible damage under much better control? Same federal response, different state and local responses. Eric, like so many of your ilk you use ignorance to support your arguements. Eric evinces a real lack of knowledge about local, state and federal responsibilities. He is also embarrassingly bereft of a basic understanding of how federal authority may be used. It is also evident that Eric was never in the military as every soldier, sailor, airman and marine who graduates basic training learns that members of the Armed Services are expressly forbidden to engage in any law enforcement activites. They cannot in any way attempt to assist LE resources in any capacity. This is the Posse Comitatus Act of 1870. So Federal auturities can’t just jump in and take over.
The basic facts are:
- Bush personally implores Mayor Nagin to evacuate the city 48 hours before K hit town.
- THe NO official disater plan requires the Mayor to evacuate the city 72 hours in advance of the hurricane…yet it took a call from the Pres to get him to act.
- The Pres declared it a disater area BEFORE the storm hit
- FEMA’s own protocols stipulate that local authorities need to be prepared for a 48-72 delay before Federal resources arrive. It is expected that the local PDs and FDs will provide first responder support and not engage in looting or just walk away.
- The leveee broke Monday. Fed resources were there Tuesday.
- Why didn’t NO have plans and training to deal with all the elderly, medication-dependent and handicapped folks? Why were the buses not used? This is local responsibility.
- Why didn’t the Governor mobilize the LANG faster?
- Why is MS, where the brunt of the storm hit and did terrible damage under much better control? Same federal response, different state and local responses.

Eric, like so many of your ilk you use ignorance to support your arguements.

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