Comments on: FITZGERALD TO SHOOT THE HORSE AFTER THE BARN DOOR WAS ALREADY CLOSED http://rightwingnuthouse.com/archives/2005/10/19/fitzgerald-to-shoot-the-horse-after-the-barn-door-was-already-closed/ Politics served up with a smile... And a stilletto. Fri, 17 Apr 2026 02:11:54 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.7 hourly 1 By: Lee http://rightwingnuthouse.com/archives/2005/10/19/fitzgerald-to-shoot-the-horse-after-the-barn-door-was-already-closed/comment-page-1/#comment-83552 Lee Thu, 20 Oct 2005 21:39:45 +0000 http://rightwingnuthouse.com/?p=836#comment-83552 "...it still begs the question as to how Fitzgerald views any kind of conspiracy charges – something Waas never mentions in his article. Was it conspiracy or just a general Administration wide push back against the CIA for their partisan antics?" Do you think, maybe, that the conspiracy might be far larger than a conspiracy to obstruct the inquiry? It has been suggested that Fitzgerald is actually looking at a far larger conspiracy: that of the White House Iraq Group tasked with "marketing" the Iraq war to the public in the first place. The question then becomes, "Was there a conspiracy to deceive the American public into the war in Iraq?" That might be the larger question uncovered by Fitzgerald's dogged investigation. In which case, the purported jumpiness at the WH these days might be warranted, indeed. “…it still begs the question as to how Fitzgerald views any kind of conspiracy charges – something Waas never mentions in his article. Was it conspiracy or just a general Administration wide push back against the CIA for their partisan antics?”

Do you think, maybe, that the conspiracy might be far larger than a conspiracy to obstruct the inquiry? It has been suggested that Fitzgerald is actually looking at a far larger conspiracy: that of the White House Iraq Group tasked with “marketing” the Iraq war to the public in the first place. The question then becomes, “Was there a conspiracy to deceive the American public into the war in Iraq?” That might be the larger question uncovered by Fitzgerald’s dogged investigation. In which case, the purported jumpiness at the WH these days might be warranted, indeed.

]]> By: Melanie Haddon http://rightwingnuthouse.com/archives/2005/10/19/fitzgerald-to-shoot-the-horse-after-the-barn-door-was-already-closed/comment-page-1/#comment-83376 Melanie Haddon Thu, 20 Oct 2005 13:24:13 +0000 http://rightwingnuthouse.com/?p=836#comment-83376 Rick, How ancient do you think I am? I was to busy finishing up elementary school by 1981 to cheer CIA outings in the '70's. Love how you personally attack me every time I leave a comment!! Rick,

How ancient do you think I am? I was to busy finishing up elementary school by 1981 to cheer CIA outings in the ’70’s.

Love how you personally attack me every time I leave a comment!!

]]> By: Raven http://rightwingnuthouse.com/archives/2005/10/19/fitzgerald-to-shoot-the-horse-after-the-barn-door-was-already-closed/comment-page-1/#comment-83037 Raven Thu, 20 Oct 2005 01:43:27 +0000 http://rightwingnuthouse.com/?p=836#comment-83037 ROTF....spewed the coffee... "Their incontinence notwithstanding," Now that made me spill my coffee Rick...you know, the freshly grounded beans, the careful measurement of just the right temp waters....so much effort into this pot of brew...now it's all over me. I love it. ROTF….spewed the coffee…

“Their incontinence notwithstanding,”

Now that made me spill my coffee Rick…you know, the freshly grounded beans, the careful measurement of just the right temp waters….so much effort into this pot of brew…now it’s all over me. I love it.

]]> By: Rick Moran http://rightwingnuthouse.com/archives/2005/10/19/fitzgerald-to-shoot-the-horse-after-the-barn-door-was-already-closed/comment-page-1/#comment-82868 Rick Moran Wed, 19 Oct 2005 21:10:51 +0000 http://rightwingnuthouse.com/?p=836#comment-82868 David & Giacomo: I see your point about no crime being committed regarding the Plame outing but what was despicable about it was that, as Melanie points out, she was working for a CIA front company. The reason no crime was committed because it is pretty obvious that neither Libby or Rove knew she was covert. Plus, picking on the wife of your target is bad form - even though it appears she may or may not have been part of the CIA cabal that was trying to influence the election. Melanie - the fact that the left has been trying to destroy the CIA for 50 years allows me the luxury of ignoring anything you or any other lefty says in this matter. I have nothing but contempt for the crocodile tears being shed by liberals in this matter. If you hadn't cheered on Philip Agee when his outing of agents in the 1970's cost several people their lives - not their careers - you might have a leg to stand on. Otherwise, I can say with total conviction... SHUT UP! David & Giacomo:

I see your point about no crime being committed regarding the Plame outing but what was despicable about it was that, as Melanie points out, she was working for a CIA front company. The reason no crime was committed because it is pretty obvious that neither Libby or Rove knew she was covert.

Plus, picking on the wife of your target is bad form - even though it appears she may or may not have been part of the CIA cabal that was trying to influence the election.

Melanie - the fact that the left has been trying to destroy the CIA for 50 years allows me the luxury of ignoring anything you or any other lefty says in this matter. I have nothing but contempt for the crocodile tears being shed by liberals in this matter.

If you hadn’t cheered on Philip Agee when his outing of agents in the 1970’s cost several people their lives - not their careers - you might have a leg to stand on. Otherwise, I can say with total conviction…

SHUT UP!

]]> By: Melanie Haddon http://rightwingnuthouse.com/archives/2005/10/19/fitzgerald-to-shoot-the-horse-after-the-barn-door-was-already-closed/comment-page-1/#comment-82849 Melanie Haddon Wed, 19 Oct 2005 19:38:05 +0000 http://rightwingnuthouse.com/?p=836#comment-82849 Funny how everyone likes to forget that this "outing" screwed up a CIA front company (Brewster Jennings and Associates) that kept track of nuclear development in rogue countries. Ms. Plame was an "analyst" for said company. http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A40012-2003Oct3?language=printer Funny how everyone likes to forget that this “outing” screwed up a CIA front company (Brewster Jennings and Associates) that kept track of nuclear development in rogue countries. Ms. Plame was an “analyst” for said company.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A40012-2003Oct3?language=printer

]]> By: Giacomo http://rightwingnuthouse.com/archives/2005/10/19/fitzgerald-to-shoot-the-horse-after-the-barn-door-was-already-closed/comment-page-1/#comment-82842 Giacomo Wed, 19 Oct 2005 19:15:12 +0000 http://rightwingnuthouse.com/?p=836#comment-82842 Great summary, Rick. But I have to ask the question - if the 'outing' of Ms. Plame was not a crime, since she was not an undercover operative then or in the recent past in any conventional sense of the word, would it be appropriate to bring charges against anyone? Shouldn't there actually be some, you know, wrongdoing before crimes are charged? Perjury and obstruction charges are only available because of the investigation into a non-crime. Great summary, Rick. But I have to ask the question - if the ‘outing’ of Ms. Plame was not a crime, since she was not an undercover operative then or in the recent past in any conventional sense of the word, would it be appropriate to bring charges against anyone? Shouldn’t there actually be some, you know, wrongdoing before crimes are charged? Perjury and obstruction charges are only available because of the investigation into a non-crime.

]]> By: David http://rightwingnuthouse.com/archives/2005/10/19/fitzgerald-to-shoot-the-horse-after-the-barn-door-was-already-closed/comment-page-1/#comment-82820 David Wed, 19 Oct 2005 18:29:19 +0000 http://rightwingnuthouse.com/?p=836#comment-82820 "it is now almost certain that no laws were broken in outing Valerie Plame – although a despicable act in and of itself for which the perpetrators should be fired forthwith." Doesn't follow. What was despicable about the Plame "outing"? It in no way increased her threat level (she had been "compromised" for years and non-operative for nearly as long). She and her hubby were conspiring to sell a lie they had _apparently_ set up from the gitgo. That was certainly hunky dory, eh? :-) Yeh, now I see it. The "outing" of Plame didn't include an intro to Dr. Tarr and Mr. Fether, along with "rail transport" outa town, for Val and Joe. Now that I'd agree was despicable. heh As to the presidential term. *sigh* There's no answer. I tend to agree with LargeBill's comment, but then... voters can be such asses, sometimes, and imagine being stuck with a Carter for three terms. Where are you when we need you, Ronald Reagan? Heck. I'd settle for Herbert Hoover. “it is now almost certain that no laws were broken in outing Valerie Plame – although a despicable act in and of itself for which the perpetrators should be fired forthwith.”

Doesn’t follow. What was despicable about the Plame “outing”? It in no way increased her threat level (she had been “compromised” for years and non-operative for nearly as long). She and her hubby were conspiring to sell a lie they had _apparently_ set up from the gitgo. That was certainly hunky dory, eh?

:-)

Yeh, now I see it. The “outing” of Plame didn’t include an intro to Dr. Tarr and Mr. Fether, along with “rail transport” outa town, for Val and Joe. Now that I’d agree was despicable.

heh

As to the presidential term. *sigh* There’s no answer. I tend to agree with LargeBill’s comment, but then… voters can be such asses, sometimes, and imagine being stuck with a Carter for three terms.

Where are you when we need you, Ronald Reagan?

Heck. I’d settle for Herbert Hoover.

]]> By: LargeBill http://rightwingnuthouse.com/archives/2005/10/19/fitzgerald-to-shoot-the-horse-after-the-barn-door-was-already-closed/comment-page-1/#comment-82776 LargeBill Wed, 19 Oct 2005 16:45:55 +0000 http://rightwingnuthouse.com/?p=836#comment-82776 I think Kevin at Wizbang is attacking the wrong end of this problem. The length of the term is not the problem. I think the limiting of presidents to two terms creates the lame duck status and increases the likelyhood of second term problems. Don't get me wrong, I don't want 3 and 4 term presidents but rather believe that choice should be left to voters. I think Kevin at Wizbang is attacking the wrong end of this problem. The length of the term is not the problem. I think the limiting of presidents to two terms creates the lame duck status and increases the likelyhood of second term problems. Don’t get me wrong, I don’t want 3 and 4 term presidents but rather believe that choice should be left to voters.

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