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		<title>By: Joe</title>
		<link>http://rightwingnuthouse.com/archives/2005/11/14/going-down-fighting/comment-page-1/#comment-96490</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Nov 2005 22:31:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a liberal, I can say honestly that the Democrats were cowardly and leaderless when they voted for the war resolution...and now they are trying to say that they actually were all against it.  Not suprising, if you read and liberal blogs, you rapidly realize that the Democrats are not a loyal opposition, but just 'republican-lite'.  They now are trying to stake out a position opposed to the president as they see that it is politically popular.  What a bunch of cowards.  I don't think Bush is right in his actions, but that definitely doen't make them right in theirs.  Still, I have hope.  Lets see how the 2006 and '08 canidates look.  I could be persuaded to vote for someone like Guilliani (sp?).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a liberal, I can say honestly that the Democrats were cowardly and leaderless when they voted for the war resolution&#8230;and now they are trying to say that they actually were all against it.  Not suprising, if you read and liberal blogs, you rapidly realize that the Democrats are not a loyal opposition, but just &#8216;republican-lite&#8217;.  They now are trying to stake out a position opposed to the president as they see that it is politically popular.  What a bunch of cowards.  I don&#8217;t think Bush is right in his actions, but that definitely doen&#8217;t make them right in theirs.  Still, I have hope.  Lets see how the 2006 and &#8216;08 canidates look.  I could be persuaded to vote for someone like Guilliani (sp?).</p>
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		<title>By: craig</title>
		<link>http://rightwingnuthouse.com/archives/2005/11/14/going-down-fighting/comment-page-1/#comment-96098</link>
		<dc:creator>craig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Nov 2005 02:16:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here it is, right on Rockefeller's site.

http://rockefeller.senate.gov/news/2002/flrstmt0102002.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here it is, right on Rockefeller&#8217;s site.</p>
<p><a href="http://rockefeller.senate.gov/news/2002/flrstmt0102002.html" rel="nofollow">http://rockefeller.senate.gov/news/2002/flrstmt0102002.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Charlie J</title>
		<link>http://rightwingnuthouse.com/archives/2005/11/14/going-down-fighting/comment-page-1/#comment-95994</link>
		<dc:creator>Charlie J</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Nov 2005 22:13:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have been searching and searching and yet I cannot find the list of Bush's lies about Iraq. Perhaps someone could post it so we could all understand what a dirty stinking liar he really is. Why is the list so difficult to come by?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have been searching and searching and yet I cannot find the list of Bush&#8217;s lies about Iraq. Perhaps someone could post it so we could all understand what a dirty stinking liar he really is. Why is the list so difficult to come by?</p>
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		<title>By: Marv</title>
		<link>http://rightwingnuthouse.com/archives/2005/11/14/going-down-fighting/comment-page-1/#comment-95975</link>
		<dc:creator>Marv</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Nov 2005 18:30:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>spunch and the lefties: I got up on the wrong side of the bed and can't listen to this myopic bilge any more with out responding:

"Bush supplied the data. Soâ€¦ I hope youâ€™re right.
They were wrong- they admit it. We canâ€™t trust them anymore."

Where the hell do you come up with that gem? Bush didn't supply anything, he RECIEVED the data, just like the SENATE and HOUSE. 

Are you saying the Iraqis never had chemical weapons? Ask the Kurds about that. Are you saying that we should have known where it all went when Hussein wouldn't tell us? What happened to all that stuff that the U.N. couldn't account for? It just "went away"? 

You can assume it all went away by magic but not me. That kind os assumption gets you killed and because I trust Bush more than Saddam. Maybe you don't but that wouldn't surprise me since most lefties live in an alternate universe. 

If we had gone into Iraq when Bush originally wanted to (instead of waiting to satisfy the left) my bet is you would have found everything that you think never existed. 

The fact that Iraq had nearly a year to move it just doesn't sink in to you folks does it, even after Sen. Rockefeller warned them in a 2002 visit to the Middle East:"I took a trip by myself in January of 2002 to Saudi Arabia, Jordan and Syria, and I told each of the heads of state that it was my view that George Bush had already made up his mind to go to war against Iraq." Gee....Syria wouldn't say anything to Iraq would they?

I'll write a letter to Bush and tell him to make sure that he consults with you before he makes his next move, I'm sure you have more access to accurate info than he does and, well, I know you are never wrong......</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>spunch and the lefties: I got up on the wrong side of the bed and can&#8217;t listen to this myopic bilge any more with out responding:</p>
<p>&#8220;Bush supplied the data. Soâ€¦ I hope youâ€™re right.<br />
They were wrong- they admit it. We canâ€™t trust them anymore.&#8221;</p>
<p>Where the hell do you come up with that gem? Bush didn&#8217;t supply anything, he RECIEVED the data, just like the SENATE and HOUSE. </p>
<p>Are you saying the Iraqis never had chemical weapons? Ask the Kurds about that. Are you saying that we should have known where it all went when Hussein wouldn&#8217;t tell us? What happened to all that stuff that the U.N. couldn&#8217;t account for? It just &#8220;went away&#8221;? </p>
<p>You can assume it all went away by magic but not me. That kind os assumption gets you killed and because I trust Bush more than Saddam. Maybe you don&#8217;t but that wouldn&#8217;t surprise me since most lefties live in an alternate universe. </p>
<p>If we had gone into Iraq when Bush originally wanted to (instead of waiting to satisfy the left) my bet is you would have found everything that you think never existed. </p>
<p>The fact that Iraq had nearly a year to move it just doesn&#8217;t sink in to you folks does it, even after Sen. Rockefeller warned them in a 2002 visit to the Middle East:&#8221;I took a trip by myself in January of 2002 to Saudi Arabia, Jordan and Syria, and I told each of the heads of state that it was my view that George Bush had already made up his mind to go to war against Iraq.&#8221; Gee&#8230;.Syria wouldn&#8217;t say anything to Iraq would they?</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll write a letter to Bush and tell him to make sure that he consults with you before he makes his next move, I&#8217;m sure you have more access to accurate info than he does and, well, I know you are never wrong&#8230;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Duane</title>
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		<dc:creator>Duane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Nov 2005 17:14:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Please, someone explain what "turned out to be incorrect" beyind the fact that that our intelligence regarding where the WMD were was not accurate?  Are you saying that a) they never existed, or that b) we should have known better where they were?  

The fact is, only the goofiest moonbats pretend that they never existed- tell that to those Iranians who survived the chemical assaults in the 1980's.  

What we still don't know is what happened to them.  We don't know whether they were dumped into the Tigris, buried in the Bekaa Valley, sold to free-lancers, recycled into conventional ammunition, or all used up.

Chemical weapons, especially the most rudimentary types, which are the most dangerous because they are very unstable, lack adequate safe-arm mechanisms, and also tend to leak, have a more limited shelf life than others.  Did Saddam take the advice of the Russian generals sent to help him prepare?  Did they take some away?  

Or did he simply let the old weapons die and establish the quick-start dual-use facilities (far easier for chem rounds than any other types- you prepare the shells and S&#38;A's, keep them empty, then mix the load in a bathtub and fill just before battle, which solves the shelf life problem) that we found?

Either way, my challenge to the lefties out there, which includes Rich's beloved brother, is to truthfully ask yourself whether you would personally have gone to Iraq as an embedded reporter in March, 2003, without wearing chem protective gear.  If you say that you would have, sorry, you are a liar.  

This stuff is all about risk, not metaphysical certainty.  The same people who glibly sit back in Washington sniping about intel and saying that we should have trusted Saddam are also telling us that we need to uproot the entire economy because of some infinitesimal possible risk of anthropogenic global warming and the near zero possibility that it could cause a problem- all without worrying at all about the "cost".

To quote Senator Byrd, "B-U-N-K, BUNK!"</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please, someone explain what &#8220;turned out to be incorrect&#8221; beyind the fact that that our intelligence regarding where the WMD were was not accurate?  Are you saying that a) they never existed, or that b) we should have known better where they were?  </p>
<p>The fact is, only the goofiest moonbats pretend that they never existed- tell that to those Iranians who survived the chemical assaults in the 1980&#8217;s.  </p>
<p>What we still don&#8217;t know is what happened to them.  We don&#8217;t know whether they were dumped into the Tigris, buried in the Bekaa Valley, sold to free-lancers, recycled into conventional ammunition, or all used up.</p>
<p>Chemical weapons, especially the most rudimentary types, which are the most dangerous because they are very unstable, lack adequate safe-arm mechanisms, and also tend to leak, have a more limited shelf life than others.  Did Saddam take the advice of the Russian generals sent to help him prepare?  Did they take some away?  </p>
<p>Or did he simply let the old weapons die and establish the quick-start dual-use facilities (far easier for chem rounds than any other types- you prepare the shells and S&amp;A&#8217;s, keep them empty, then mix the load in a bathtub and fill just before battle, which solves the shelf life problem) that we found?</p>
<p>Either way, my challenge to the lefties out there, which includes Rich&#8217;s beloved brother, is to truthfully ask yourself whether you would personally have gone to Iraq as an embedded reporter in March, 2003, without wearing chem protective gear.  If you say that you would have, sorry, you are a liar.  </p>
<p>This stuff is all about risk, not metaphysical certainty.  The same people who glibly sit back in Washington sniping about intel and saying that we should have trusted Saddam are also telling us that we need to uproot the entire economy because of some infinitesimal possible risk of anthropogenic global warming and the near zero possibility that it could cause a problem- all without worrying at all about the &#8220;cost&#8221;.</p>
<p>To quote Senator Byrd, &#8220;B-U-N-K, BUNK!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Don Surber</title>
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		<dc:creator>Don Surber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Nov 2005 17:06:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;GOP Goes After Weathervane Hawks &lt;/strong&gt;

GOP Goes After Weathervane Hawks 
GOP.com isn't messing around. It has unveiled a new video:</description>
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<p>GOP Goes After Weathervane Hawks<br />
GOP.com isn&#8217;t messing around. It has unveiled a new video:</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Paine Jr</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom Paine Jr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Nov 2005 16:27:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ranking minority member on the Senate Intelligence Committee Jay Rockefeller (D-WV): â€œ[P]eople say, â€˜Well, you know, you all had the same intelligence that the White House had.â€™ And Iâ€™m here to tell you that is nowhere near the truth. We not only donâ€™t have, nor probably should we have, the Presidential Daily Brief. We donâ€™t have the constant people who are working on intelligence who are very close to him. They donâ€™t release their â€” an administration which tends not to release â€” not just the White House, but the CIA, DOD [Department of Defense], others â€” they control information. Thereâ€™s a lot of intelligence that we donâ€™t get that they have.â€ [11/04/05]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ranking minority member on the Senate Intelligence Committee Jay Rockefeller (D-WV): â€œ[P]eople say, â€˜Well, you know, you all had the same intelligence that the White House had.â€™ And Iâ€™m here to tell you that is nowhere near the truth. We not only donâ€™t have, nor probably should we have, the Presidential Daily Brief. We donâ€™t have the constant people who are working on intelligence who are very close to him. They donâ€™t release their â€” an administration which tends not to release â€” not just the White House, but the CIA, DOD [Department of Defense], others â€” they control information. Thereâ€™s a lot of intelligence that we donâ€™t get that they have.â€ [11/04/05]</p>
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		<title>By: Spunch</title>
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		<dc:creator>Spunch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Nov 2005 16:04:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bush supplied the data.  So... I hope you're right.

They were wrong- they admit it.  We can't trust them anymore.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bush supplied the data.  So&#8230; I hope you&#8217;re right.</p>
<p>They were wrong- they admit it.  We can&#8217;t trust them anymore.</p>
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		<title>By: Marv</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marv</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Nov 2005 14:30:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pug, that's just BS. Shit rolls downhill. The people who supplied you the data would be the ones out the door, unless you are an idiot, of course.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pug, that&#8217;s just BS. Shit rolls downhill. The people who supplied you the data would be the ones out the door, unless you are an idiot, of course.</p>
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		<title>By: Pug</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pug</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Nov 2005 13:42:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;So let me get this straight: in your world all people who make important decisions that turn out to be incorrect, but which are based on bum information that was provided to them by credentialed world-class experts, are â€œliars.â€&lt;/i&gt;

In my world, which is the business world, "incorrect" decisions with disasterous consequences, whatever they are based on, will get you fired.  That's just the way it is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>So let me get this straight: in your world all people who make important decisions that turn out to be incorrect, but which are based on bum information that was provided to them by credentialed world-class experts, are â€œliars.â€</i></p>
<p>In my world, which is the business world, &#8220;incorrect&#8221; decisions with disasterous consequences, whatever they are based on, will get you fired.  That&#8217;s just the way it is.</p>
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