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	<description>Politics served up with a smile... And a stilletto.</description>
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		<title>By: Below The Beltway</title>
		<link>http://rightwingnuthouse.com/archives/2006/02/14/the-decision/comment-page-1/#comment-152180</link>
		<dc:creator>Below The Beltway</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Mar 2006 06:19:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;This Season On 24&lt;/strong&gt;

Am I alone in thinking that the current season of Fox's 24 is the best yet ? 
I have to believe that I'm not. I mean, look at what we've got so far. Jack Bauer back from the dead. A terrorist threat that seems to be knowingly playing on the weakn ....</description>
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<p>Am I alone in thinking that the current season of Fox&#8217;s 24 is the best yet ?<br />
I have to believe that I&#8217;m not. I mean, look at what we&#8217;ve got so far. Jack Bauer back from the dead. A terrorist threat that seems to be knowingly playing on the weakn &#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Anti-Idiotarian Rottweiler &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Someone&#8217;s Passing Gas in the Mall!</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anti-Idiotarian Rottweiler &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Someone&#8217;s Passing Gas in the Mall!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Feb 2006 22:50:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] As always, don&#8217;t forget this site or this site as well for all of your Jack Bauer thrills. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] As always, don&#8217;t forget this site or this site as well for all of your Jack Bauer thrills. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: The MaryHunter</title>
		<link>http://rightwingnuthouse.com/archives/2006/02/14/the-decision/comment-page-1/#comment-147893</link>
		<dc:creator>The MaryHunter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Feb 2006 11:18:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rick, forgot to mention this yesterday: a valentine to a famous person that made 4th runner up in the WaPo Style Invitational conetst last Sunday: 

&lt;blockquote&gt;Tho' it may not endure til the 24th hour,
Its petals explode, its stem lose all power, 
Tho' it may be shot through by a blazing SIG Sauer, 
I send you this big fat red flower, Jack Bauer. 

--Sharyn Kilderry, Washington&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rick, forgot to mention this yesterday: a valentine to a famous person that made 4th runner up in the WaPo Style Invitational conetst last Sunday: </p>
<blockquote><p>Tho&#8217; it may not endure til the 24th hour,<br />
Its petals explode, its stem lose all power,<br />
Tho&#8217; it may be shot through by a blazing SIG Sauer,<br />
I send you this big fat red flower, Jack Bauer. </p>
<p>&#8211;Sharyn Kilderry, Washington</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Tom Freeman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom Freeman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Feb 2006 05:49:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with Jack.  I admit it is not a black/white call, but I agree with those who have pointed out that you are trading hundreds of deaths against the CHANCE (far from a certainty) that you will save thousands.  You had better be pretty damned sure about the thousands of deaths being a certainty before you can make that kind of a call.  

Of course now, as at least one of the comments has noted, and as the previews seem to suggest, Jack can become the scapegoat.  Not only did he disobey a direct order, but his action can be argued to have created the worst of all results.  10-20 people died, AND they lost the ability to track down the terrorists.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Jack.  I admit it is not a black/white call, but I agree with those who have pointed out that you are trading hundreds of deaths against the CHANCE (far from a certainty) that you will save thousands.  You had better be pretty damned sure about the thousands of deaths being a certainty before you can make that kind of a call.  </p>
<p>Of course now, as at least one of the comments has noted, and as the previews seem to suggest, Jack can become the scapegoat.  Not only did he disobey a direct order, but his action can be argued to have created the worst of all results.  10-20 people died, AND they lost the ability to track down the terrorists.</p>
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		<title>By: Rick Moran</title>
		<link>http://rightwingnuthouse.com/archives/2006/02/14/the-decision/comment-page-1/#comment-147834</link>
		<dc:creator>Rick Moran</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Feb 2006 02:31:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#19 Arthur:

I did a pretty superficial search for examples of decoded JN-25 intercepts not being used for fear the Japanese would get suspicious but couldn't find any. I read in Spector's &lt;em&gt;Eagle Against the Sun&lt;/em&gt; about what I seem to recall were some operations at Guadacanal where we lost ships despite knowing where the Japanese were. 

But the Coventry case with Churchill is probably more apt and I should have used it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#19 Arthur:</p>
<p>I did a pretty superficial search for examples of decoded JN-25 intercepts not being used for fear the Japanese would get suspicious but couldn&#8217;t find any. I read in Spector&#8217;s <em>Eagle Against the Sun</em> about what I seem to recall were some operations at Guadacanal where we lost ships despite knowing where the Japanese were. </p>
<p>But the Coventry case with Churchill is probably more apt and I should have used it.</p>
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		<title>By: The MaryHunter</title>
		<link>http://rightwingnuthouse.com/archives/2006/02/14/the-decision/comment-page-1/#comment-147833</link>
		<dc:creator>The MaryHunter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Feb 2006 02:30:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmmmm... Penelope you make a good point. But as FH Lynn sez: We're in a war. I agree that the possibility was rather vague. But war is hell and can be vague. Rick, your historical argument re the Japanese code almost sways me to say YES you do what the prez says. 

That is, if Jack weren't such a good torturer. Hell, he would have gotten the location of the canisters and had plenty of time to get back and snog with Audrey, catch a late matinee at the mall even. 

And BTW, it's &lt;i&gt;orc&lt;/i&gt;.  :D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmmm&#8230; Penelope you make a good point. But as FH Lynn sez: We&#8217;re in a war. I agree that the possibility was rather vague. But war is hell and can be vague. Rick, your historical argument re the Japanese code almost sways me to say YES you do what the prez says. </p>
<p>That is, if Jack weren&#8217;t such a good torturer. Hell, he would have gotten the location of the canisters and had plenty of time to get back and snog with Audrey, catch a late matinee at the mall even. </p>
<p>And BTW, it&#8217;s <i>orc</i>.  <img src='http://rightwingnuthouse.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Penelope</title>
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		<dc:creator>Penelope</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Feb 2006 02:22:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My answer to your question is NO, you don't obey the President. You never take certain casualties for too vague of a possibility of success. What if they'd let all those people die, and then not found the other canisters? A distinct possibility. Besides, Jack's too good at torture. He could have gotten it out of the guys.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My answer to your question is NO, you don&#8217;t obey the President. You never take certain casualties for too vague of a possibility of success. What if they&#8217;d let all those people die, and then not found the other canisters? A distinct possibility. Besides, Jack&#8217;s too good at torture. He could have gotten it out of the guys.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve from Florida</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve from Florida</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Feb 2006 01:04:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I trust that Jack would have been able to get the necessary
information from either of the two chechen terrorists;
a knife to the eye has a way of focusing one's mind. The brave chechen terrorists would have been squealing like stuck pigs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I trust that Jack would have been able to get the necessary<br />
information from either of the two chechen terrorists;<br />
a knife to the eye has a way of focusing one&#8217;s mind. The brave chechen terrorists would have been squealing like stuck pigs.</p>
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		<title>By: The Jeremiah Commentary</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Jeremiah Commentary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Feb 2006 22:31:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Why go after a marine?&lt;/strong&gt;

 I have often wondered when watching war movies why the marines always go back after a single lost soldier when they know that some of the rescuing team will probably die. Strictly numerically it just doesn't make sense. But...</description>
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<p> I have often wondered when watching war movies why the marines always go back after a single lost soldier when they know that some of the rescuing team will probably die. Strictly numerically it just doesn&#8217;t make sense. But&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Jeremiah Fyffe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeremiah Fyffe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Feb 2006 22:28:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have often wondered when watching war movies why the marines always go back after a single lost soldier when they know that some of the rescuing team will probably die.  Strictly numerically it just doesn't make sense.  But then it hit me ... that is what they signed up for.  They signed up to be marines knowing that their lives were being given over for the cause of freedom; whether that be the freedom of the nation or of their fellow marines.

Herein lies the difference between the military and the citizens of the United States of America.  Our constitution protects the right of its citizens for life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.  That is what citizens of the United States are signed up for.  There is a moral need for citizens to be as sacrificial as their military, but this is not an obligation.  Our nation protects the right of its citizens to be non-self-sacrificing.

Here is the point.  If it is a choice between persons in the military having to fight and sacrifice for freedom or a few citizens loosing their lives, the cost simply must be the sacrifice of the military.  That is the foundation of our military system.  It is an incredible one-way street of sacrifice.  It is this absolute sacrifice that turns the hearts of the citizens to honor and uphold the military.  This is what is so heroic about the WWII Veteran.  So many sacrifices were made by so many.

It is wrong when evil people target the lives of anyone, civilian or military.  It is wrong to be put in difficult situations such as the following:

"The fact is, President Roosevelt and George Marshall had to make literally dozens of such decisions during World War II thanks to the extraordinary work of American signals intelligence in cracking the Japanese Imperial Navyâ€™s JN-25 staff code. But there was a cost to breaking the code and gleaning Japanese intentions in the Pacific; if the Japanese got even a hint that we were reading their traffic, they would change the code and we would be in the dark again. Hence, while we were able to plan a response to Japanâ€™s attack on Midway Island and the Aleutians in 1942 based on the decoded intercepts, other Japanese moves that we were able to determine in advance were not countered because of the fear that the Japanese would get suspicious. In short, we would become victims of our own success and American sailors and Marines paid the price."
The Decision @ rightwingnuthouse.com

Who is responsible for this evil conundrum?  It is not President Roosevelt or any of his advisors.  It is the Japanese Imperial Navy.  Who has the greatest burden of guilt no matter what decision President Roosevelt made?  The Japanese Imperial Navy.  That said, I believe the decision is the wrong one.  Again, it is the responsibility of the military to self-sacrificingly protect freedom.  The emphasis is upon self-sacrifice.  It is one thing to play a gambit in which one sends a contingent that has small chance of success in order to distract or divide an enemy's forces.  It is another thing entirely to use human life like fodder or bait.  Would there be great consequences if Japan discovered that America had broken the code?  Yes, but our military would have been up to that fight.  And they would not have on their conscience that they won their lives at the cost of their fellows.

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After reading through this article I realize that it sounds as though I have this all figured out.  I also, realize that their are holes in the ethics and logic all over it.  I confess that I don't have it figured out, but I do think that it is vitally important to discover because of the many implications for possible terror scenarios that our nation and world will likely face in future days.  I invite you to help me plug the holes or even change my mind.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have often wondered when watching war movies why the marines always go back after a single lost soldier when they know that some of the rescuing team will probably die.  Strictly numerically it just doesn&#8217;t make sense.  But then it hit me &#8230; that is what they signed up for.  They signed up to be marines knowing that their lives were being given over for the cause of freedom; whether that be the freedom of the nation or of their fellow marines.</p>
<p>Herein lies the difference between the military and the citizens of the United States of America.  Our constitution protects the right of its citizens for life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.  That is what citizens of the United States are signed up for.  There is a moral need for citizens to be as sacrificial as their military, but this is not an obligation.  Our nation protects the right of its citizens to be non-self-sacrificing.</p>
<p>Here is the point.  If it is a choice between persons in the military having to fight and sacrifice for freedom or a few citizens loosing their lives, the cost simply must be the sacrifice of the military.  That is the foundation of our military system.  It is an incredible one-way street of sacrifice.  It is this absolute sacrifice that turns the hearts of the citizens to honor and uphold the military.  This is what is so heroic about the WWII Veteran.  So many sacrifices were made by so many.</p>
<p>It is wrong when evil people target the lives of anyone, civilian or military.  It is wrong to be put in difficult situations such as the following:</p>
<p>&#8220;The fact is, President Roosevelt and George Marshall had to make literally dozens of such decisions during World War II thanks to the extraordinary work of American signals intelligence in cracking the Japanese Imperial Navyâ€™s JN-25 staff code. But there was a cost to breaking the code and gleaning Japanese intentions in the Pacific; if the Japanese got even a hint that we were reading their traffic, they would change the code and we would be in the dark again. Hence, while we were able to plan a response to Japanâ€™s attack on Midway Island and the Aleutians in 1942 based on the decoded intercepts, other Japanese moves that we were able to determine in advance were not countered because of the fear that the Japanese would get suspicious. In short, we would become victims of our own success and American sailors and Marines paid the price.&#8221;<br />
The Decision @ rightwingnuthouse.com</p>
<p>Who is responsible for this evil conundrum?  It is not President Roosevelt or any of his advisors.  It is the Japanese Imperial Navy.  Who has the greatest burden of guilt no matter what decision President Roosevelt made?  The Japanese Imperial Navy.  That said, I believe the decision is the wrong one.  Again, it is the responsibility of the military to self-sacrificingly protect freedom.  The emphasis is upon self-sacrifice.  It is one thing to play a gambit in which one sends a contingent that has small chance of success in order to distract or divide an enemy&#8217;s forces.  It is another thing entirely to use human life like fodder or bait.  Would there be great consequences if Japan discovered that America had broken the code?  Yes, but our military would have been up to that fight.  And they would not have on their conscience that they won their lives at the cost of their fellows.</p>
<p>&#8212;</p>
<p>After reading through this article I realize that it sounds as though I have this all figured out.  I also, realize that their are holes in the ethics and logic all over it.  I confess that I don&#8217;t have it figured out, but I do think that it is vitally important to discover because of the many implications for possible terror scenarios that our nation and world will likely face in future days.  I invite you to help me plug the holes or even change my mind.</p>
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