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		<title>By: The Wide Awakes &#187; CIA VS. THE WHITE HOUSE: THE VIPS CONNECTION</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Wide Awakes &#187; CIA VS. THE WHITE HOUSE: THE VIPS CONNECTION</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Apr 2006 00:58:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I will repeat for those of you who may have missed this post: I am not a believer in conspiracy theories as a general rule and especially in this case where much more evidence is required to prove any collusion between VIPS and the media in leaking classified data. Having said that, some enterprising journalist may want to look into this web of innocuous but rather curious connections and see if there&#8217;s anything to the notion that members of VIPS may have acted as a conduit to the press in passing along classified information from active duty intelligence personnel. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] I will repeat for those of you who may have missed this post: I am not a believer in conspiracy theories as a general rule and especially in this case where much more evidence is required to prove any collusion between VIPS and the media in leaking classified data. Having said that, some enterprising journalist may want to look into this web of innocuous but rather curious connections and see if there&#8217;s anything to the notion that members of VIPS may have acted as a conduit to the press in passing along classified information from active duty intelligence personnel. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Right Wing Nut House &#187; CIA VS. THE WHITE HOUSE: THE VIPS CONNECTION</title>
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		<dc:creator>Right Wing Nut House &#187; CIA VS. THE WHITE HOUSE: THE VIPS CONNECTION</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Apr 2006 16:15:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] VINCE AUT MORIRE VODKAPUNDIT WALLO WORLD WHAT ATTITUDE PROBLEM? WIDE AWAKES WIZBANG WUZZADEM   CIA VS. THE WHITE HOUSE: THE VIPS CONNECTION THE OTHER SHOE DROPS CIA VS. THE WHITE HOUSE: TY COBB AIN&#8217;T NO BENCHWARMER CIA VS. THE WHITEHOUSE: THE BIRD THAT ISN&#8217;T SINGING EAT YOUR HEART OUT CINDY SHEEHAN DEFEND DISSENT: PUNISH THE LEAKERS CIA VS. THE WHITE HOUSE: McCARTHY AND THE DC REVOLVING DOOR  CIA VS THE WHITE HOUSE: THE LONE PARTISAN?  CIA VS. THE WHITE HOUSE: PROCEED WITH EXTREME CAUTION CIA VS. THE WHITE HOUSE: WALKING BACK SLOWLY CIA VS. THE WHITE HOUSE: GOOD LEAKS OR BAD? CIA VS. THE WHITE HOUSE: THE LEAKER AND THE SQUEALER ARE YOU &#8220;OVER&#8221; 9/11 YET? CARNIVAL OF THE CLUELESS #41 THE COUNCIL HAS SPOKEN JOKE OF THE DAY ANOTHER MORAN TAKES UP THE PEN A DASTARDLY DEED J&#8217;ACCUSE: BERNSTEIN MAKES A SERIOUS CASE FOR IMPEACHMENT HARDBALL MORE &#8220;ANGER AND DESPAIR&#8221; FROM THE LEFT ALL POLITICS ARE LOCAL? DON&#8217;T TELL THE DEMS THAT &#8220;STAY AT HOME&#8221; REPUBLICANS ANTI-AMERICAN? OR ANTI-BUSH? BILMON: A VERY SILLY PERSON   &#8220;24&#8243; (55) ABLE DANGER (10) Bird Flu (5) Blogging (80) Books (7) CARNIVAL OF THE CLUELESS (66) CHICAGO BEARS (9) CIA VS. THE WHITE HOUSE (17) Cindy Sheehan (12) Ethics (53) General (273) Government (32) History (51) IMMIGRATION REFORM (5) Iran (20) KATRINA (26) Katrina Timeline (4) Marvin Moonbat (14) Media (77) Middle East (24) Moonbats (45) Open House (1) Politics (164) Science (14) Space (12) Supreme Court (19) War on Terror (105) WATCHER&#8217;S COUNCIL (41) WORLD POLITICS (39) WORLD SERIES (14)   Admin Login Register Valid XHTML XFN [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] VINCE AUT MORIRE VODKAPUNDIT WALLO WORLD WHAT ATTITUDE PROBLEM? WIDE AWAKES WIZBANG WUZZADEM   CIA VS. THE WHITE HOUSE: THE VIPS CONNECTION THE OTHER SHOE DROPS CIA VS. THE WHITE HOUSE: TY COBB AIN&#8217;T NO BENCHWARMER CIA VS. THE WHITEHOUSE: THE BIRD THAT ISN&#8217;T SINGING EAT YOUR HEART OUT CINDY SHEEHAN DEFEND DISSENT: PUNISH THE LEAKERS CIA VS. THE WHITE HOUSE: McCARTHY AND THE DC REVOLVING DOOR  CIA VS THE WHITE HOUSE: THE LONE PARTISAN?  CIA VS. THE WHITE HOUSE: PROCEED WITH EXTREME CAUTION CIA VS. THE WHITE HOUSE: WALKING BACK SLOWLY CIA VS. THE WHITE HOUSE: GOOD LEAKS OR BAD? CIA VS. THE WHITE HOUSE: THE LEAKER AND THE SQUEALER ARE YOU &#8220;OVER&#8221; 9/11 YET? CARNIVAL OF THE CLUELESS #41 THE COUNCIL HAS SPOKEN JOKE OF THE DAY ANOTHER MORAN TAKES UP THE PEN A DASTARDLY DEED J&#8217;ACCUSE: BERNSTEIN MAKES A SERIOUS CASE FOR IMPEACHMENT HARDBALL MORE &#8220;ANGER AND DESPAIR&#8221; FROM THE LEFT ALL POLITICS ARE LOCAL? DON&#8217;T TELL THE DEMS THAT &#8220;STAY AT HOME&#8221; REPUBLICANS ANTI-AMERICAN? OR ANTI-BUSH? BILMON: A VERY SILLY PERSON   &#8220;24&#8243; (55) ABLE DANGER (10) Bird Flu (5) Blogging (80) Books (7) CARNIVAL OF THE CLUELESS (66) CHICAGO BEARS (9) CIA VS. THE WHITE HOUSE (17) Cindy Sheehan (12) Ethics (53) General (273) Government (32) History (51) IMMIGRATION REFORM (5) Iran (20) KATRINA (26) Katrina Timeline (4) Marvin Moonbat (14) Media (77) Middle East (24) Moonbats (45) Open House (1) Politics (164) Science (14) Space (12) Supreme Court (19) War on Terror (105) WATCHER&#8217;S COUNCIL (41) WORLD POLITICS (39) WORLD SERIES (14)   Admin Login Register Valid XHTML XFN [...]</p>
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		<title>By: goy</title>
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		<dc:creator>goy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Apr 2006 15:31:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rick, this sentiment speaks to thoughts I had last year about Joe Wilson:

http://www.agoyandhisblog.com/index.php?s=ASS-U-ME

I also try never to attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by incompetence or hubris.

But as time marches on evidence mounts showing - at the very least - a *tacit* web aimed at "correcting the electoral errors" of 2000 and 2004. Every effort to be charitable and defer to the wisdom of Occam is met by another well-orchestrated round of blatant partisan mendacity, erroneous moral equivalence, media "errors" and propaganda, or a resurgence of discredited "Bush Lied", "no WMDs", "no Iraqi link to terrorism" memes - ALL aimed at getting America back on the progressive track we veered away from when Al Gore failed to carry his own home state. And now we have not only out-and-out treason, but a veritable CELEBRATION of that treason in the Pulitzers!

I see this now as a variation on the "boiling frog" syndrome. Each lefty transgression becomes slightly more egregious, slightly less forgivable. Wilson's actions in 2003 were almost explicable via his own hubris. Kerry's retracted lies were a little worse, but not nearly bad enough to prevent him from almost being elected. The media's relentless mendacity mill has gone from willful omissions and simple "errors" to blatant propaganda that now rolls on unabated and unabashed. And today's treason and ensuing huzzahs are something out of a television series, not reality. We'd see this a lot more clearly except for the road we've travelled to get here, which has numbed us - and more importantly, numbed the Electorate - to the ever-increasing insolence of the left.

IMHO, clinging to the belief that this is all still coincidence sounds like a last gasp before going under for the last time. And then delerium ensues as we let the water gently boil our brains away.

Sorry. Occam just ain't cuttin' it any more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rick, this sentiment speaks to thoughts I had last year about Joe Wilson:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.agoyandhisblog.com/index.php?s=ASS-U-ME" rel="nofollow">http://www.agoyandhisblog.com/index.php?s=ASS-U-ME</a></p>
<p>I also try never to attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by incompetence or hubris.</p>
<p>But as time marches on evidence mounts showing - at the very least - a *tacit* web aimed at &#8220;correcting the electoral errors&#8221; of 2000 and 2004. Every effort to be charitable and defer to the wisdom of Occam is met by another well-orchestrated round of blatant partisan mendacity, erroneous moral equivalence, media &#8220;errors&#8221; and propaganda, or a resurgence of discredited &#8220;Bush Lied&#8221;, &#8220;no WMDs&#8221;, &#8220;no Iraqi link to terrorism&#8221; memes - ALL aimed at getting America back on the progressive track we veered away from when Al Gore failed to carry his own home state. And now we have not only out-and-out treason, but a veritable CELEBRATION of that treason in the Pulitzers!</p>
<p>I see this now as a variation on the &#8220;boiling frog&#8221; syndrome. Each lefty transgression becomes slightly more egregious, slightly less forgivable. Wilson&#8217;s actions in 2003 were almost explicable via his own hubris. Kerry&#8217;s retracted lies were a little worse, but not nearly bad enough to prevent him from almost being elected. The media&#8217;s relentless mendacity mill has gone from willful omissions and simple &#8220;errors&#8221; to blatant propaganda that now rolls on unabated and unabashed. And today&#8217;s treason and ensuing huzzahs are something out of a television series, not reality. We&#8217;d see this a lot more clearly except for the road we&#8217;ve travelled to get here, which has numbed us - and more importantly, numbed the Electorate - to the ever-increasing insolence of the left.</p>
<p>IMHO, clinging to the belief that this is all still coincidence sounds like a last gasp before going under for the last time. And then delerium ensues as we let the water gently boil our brains away.</p>
<p>Sorry. Occam just ain&#8217;t cuttin&#8217; it any more.</p>
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		<title>By: Kitty Litter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kitty Litter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Apr 2006 15:24:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;MARY McCARTHY: OUTTA SIGHT, OUTTA MIND?&lt;/strong&gt;

Rick Moran, at Right Wing Nut House, cautions us do not resort to spinning conspiracies: Rather than jump to conclusions, best take a deep breath and examine the information as it trickles out. Then we can start putting pieces of the puzzle together ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>MARY McCARTHY: OUTTA SIGHT, OUTTA MIND?</strong></p>
<p>Rick Moran, at Right Wing Nut House, cautions us do not resort to spinning conspiracies: Rather than jump to conclusions, best take a deep breath and examine the information as it trickles out. Then we can start putting pieces of the puzzle together &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Tano</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tano</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Apr 2006 05:39:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whatsamatter, Rick? The proprieter of the nut house is getting cold feet about the nuttiness? Whats up with this? This is your vision, isn't it? To encourage this kind of stuff? 

There may be a little extra synergy today, probably because y'all been on the defensive so long, but it really isn't all that out-of-the-ordinary. 

You guys sound as nutty as "the left" everyday. Why do you think it occured to you to call this place the nuthouse?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whatsamatter, Rick? The proprieter of the nut house is getting cold feet about the nuttiness? Whats up with this? This is your vision, isn&#8217;t it? To encourage this kind of stuff? </p>
<p>There may be a little extra synergy today, probably because y&#8217;all been on the defensive so long, but it really isn&#8217;t all that out-of-the-ordinary. </p>
<p>You guys sound as nutty as &#8220;the left&#8221; everyday. Why do you think it occured to you to call this place the nuthouse?</p>
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		<title>By: Jake Jacobsen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jake Jacobsen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Apr 2006 05:31:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But then againâ€¦it is fun, isnâ€™t it?

Damn Skippy!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But then againâ€¦it is fun, isnâ€™t it?</p>
<p>Damn Skippy!</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Apr 2006 05:29:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is an even simpler explanation: McCarthy believed the secret prisons and rendition program were wrong and contrary to American law and values.  

It's an easy shot to say that she was unhappy with her status in a "backwater," or that she didn't like the Bush administration (many in the CIA certainly don't).  But she was in the IC for years and knew the secrecy of this program.  She knew exactly who was "read in" to it.  From what has been reported, it's pretty obvious that number was small.  The problem with leaking information on such secret and small programs is that you will almost always get caught.  She must have known this.  I find it hard to believe she would risk her career and criminal sanction simply because she wasn't at the NIO level in the White House anymore.  People go in and out of the White House all the time, especially when administrations change.

I have to take issue with Spook 86â€™s comments on her performance, or lack thereof, during her period as a warning officer.  

I find it curious Spook 86 would finger McCarthy for failure to detect the first WTC bombing since the vast majority of the plot took place inside the US where the CIA has no authority or purview.

Furthermore, the Khobar Towers bombing was hardly a surprise. In fact, the official report on the bombing by the DoD says: Intelligence provided warning of the terrorist threat to U.S. forces in Saudi Arabia. http://www.defenselink.mil/pubs/downing_rpt/unclf913.html
Everyone knew Khobar Towers was a target, but the local and theater Commanders didnâ€™t put enough protections in place, and the Saudiâ€™s refused to move the fence line further from the buildings.

Finally, this leak did not reveal any sources or methods for intelligence.  The program was classified at such a high level primarily because of the political risk our allies were taking by associating with such a program.  Additionally, it was also politically sensitive here in the US.  The leakâ€™s main impact was to hurt our relations with foreign intelligence agencies. Although it is a serious matter and Ms. McCarthy was justly fired and possibly should be prosecuted, this incident hardly climbs to the level of some other leaks that do reveal intelligence sources and methods.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is an even simpler explanation: McCarthy believed the secret prisons and rendition program were wrong and contrary to American law and values.  </p>
<p>It&#8217;s an easy shot to say that she was unhappy with her status in a &#8220;backwater,&#8221; or that she didn&#8217;t like the Bush administration (many in the CIA certainly don&#8217;t).  But she was in the IC for years and knew the secrecy of this program.  She knew exactly who was &#8220;read in&#8221; to it.  From what has been reported, it&#8217;s pretty obvious that number was small.  The problem with leaking information on such secret and small programs is that you will almost always get caught.  She must have known this.  I find it hard to believe she would risk her career and criminal sanction simply because she wasn&#8217;t at the NIO level in the White House anymore.  People go in and out of the White House all the time, especially when administrations change.</p>
<p>I have to take issue with Spook 86â€™s comments on her performance, or lack thereof, during her period as a warning officer.  </p>
<p>I find it curious Spook 86 would finger McCarthy for failure to detect the first WTC bombing since the vast majority of the plot took place inside the US where the CIA has no authority or purview.</p>
<p>Furthermore, the Khobar Towers bombing was hardly a surprise. In fact, the official report on the bombing by the DoD says: Intelligence provided warning of the terrorist threat to U.S. forces in Saudi Arabia. <a href="http://www.defenselink.mil/pubs/downing_rpt/unclf913.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.defenselink.mil/pubs/downing_rpt/unclf913.html</a><br />
Everyone knew Khobar Towers was a target, but the local and theater Commanders didnâ€™t put enough protections in place, and the Saudiâ€™s refused to move the fence line further from the buildings.</p>
<p>Finally, this leak did not reveal any sources or methods for intelligence.  The program was classified at such a high level primarily because of the political risk our allies were taking by associating with such a program.  Additionally, it was also politically sensitive here in the US.  The leakâ€™s main impact was to hurt our relations with foreign intelligence agencies. Although it is a serious matter and Ms. McCarthy was justly fired and possibly should be prosecuted, this incident hardly climbs to the level of some other leaks that do reveal intelligence sources and methods.</p>
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		<title>By: stackja1945</title>
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		<dc:creator>stackja1945</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Apr 2006 02:19:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://www.channel4.com/history/microsites/H/history/t-z/tendays.html

The longer the wait, Eisenhower knew, the greater the chance of the secret leaking out. With 2.5 million men poised for action, it could hardly be otherwise. To ensure that everyone got the message, he stamped down hard on any leaks. 

One of the most spectacular involved Major General Henry Miller, chief supply officer of the US 9th Air Force. During a cocktail party at Claridge's, Miller had talked freely about his supply problems, but had added that these would be over after D-Day, which would come, he revealed, before 15 June. The instant Eisenhower was told, he had Miller reduced to the rank of colonel and sent him back to the States. Miller's desperate plea to his old West Point classmate against the punishment proved useless: Eisenhower's broad smile masked a man of iron.</description>
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<p>The longer the wait, Eisenhower knew, the greater the chance of the secret leaking out. With 2.5 million men poised for action, it could hardly be otherwise. To ensure that everyone got the message, he stamped down hard on any leaks. </p>
<p>One of the most spectacular involved Major General Henry Miller, chief supply officer of the US 9th Air Force. During a cocktail party at Claridge&#8217;s, Miller had talked freely about his supply problems, but had added that these would be over after D-Day, which would come, he revealed, before 15 June. The instant Eisenhower was told, he had Miller reduced to the rank of colonel and sent him back to the States. Miller&#8217;s desperate plea to his old West Point classmate against the punishment proved useless: Eisenhower&#8217;s broad smile masked a man of iron.</p>
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		<title>By: Joust The Facts</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joust The Facts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Apr 2006 02:00:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Ministry Of CIA Mole Links&lt;/strong&gt;

You may have heard that a CIA analyst was identified as the leaker of classified information to Dana Priest of the Washington Post, information that dealt with secret CIA prisons in Europe that probably don't exist. I've been working today,</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Ministry Of CIA Mole Links</strong></p>
<p>You may have heard that a CIA analyst was identified as the leaker of classified information to Dana Priest of the Washington Post, information that dealt with secret CIA prisons in Europe that probably don&#8217;t exist. I&#8217;ve been working today,</p>
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		<title>By: tyk</title>
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		<dc:creator>tyk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Apr 2006 01:50:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Looks like a momentum-shifter for the GOP, which now make actually pick up seats in November.  Expect the misdeeds to unravel very, very slowly, however, right up into October.  Karl Rove, just like a good basketball coach, knows all about momentum swings.  Dems seem not to, since they've been beating the hell out of their drums the last several months (months before the elections).  Some political movements just no sense of timing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Looks like a momentum-shifter for the GOP, which now make actually pick up seats in November.  Expect the misdeeds to unravel very, very slowly, however, right up into October.  Karl Rove, just like a good basketball coach, knows all about momentum swings.  Dems seem not to, since they&#8217;ve been beating the hell out of their drums the last several months (months before the elections).  Some political movements just no sense of timing.</p>
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