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		<title>By: Santay</title>
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		<dc:creator>Santay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 May 2006 10:43:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You can also bring in Mark Steyn's argument about demographics. He stated the Muslims invading Europe have a higher birth rate than the existing population. I think the same applies here. If we have an estimated 12 million illegals here now take a look at a few generations down the road. They consume a huge amount of social services, paid for by taxpayers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You can also bring in Mark Steyn&#8217;s argument about demographics. He stated the Muslims invading Europe have a higher birth rate than the existing population. I think the same applies here. If we have an estimated 12 million illegals here now take a look at a few generations down the road. They consume a huge amount of social services, paid for by taxpayers.</p>
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		<title>By: gene</title>
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		<dc:creator>gene</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 May 2006 22:02:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thinking again about the immigration problem. Why not sent all of congress to protect our borders and put the minutemen in DC?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thinking again about the immigration problem. Why not sent all of congress to protect our borders and put the minutemen in DC?</p>
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		<title>By: Charlie</title>
		<link>http://rightwingnuthouse.com/archives/2006/05/13/will-the-right-self-destruct-over-immigration/comment-page-1/#comment-188014</link>
		<dc:creator>Charlie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 May 2006 21:27:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rick,

I agreed with you right up until the point where you advocated an expansion of legal immigration, a point which I don't think really logically follows from the rest of your argument.  With regards to our current immigration system, keep in mind that:

A) We already admit by far the largest number of immigrants of any nation in the world, over 1 million per year;

B) Nearly 70 percent of legal immigrants do not come here as skilled, unattached singles easily assimilated into American life, but as people sponsored by their immigrant relatives already in the United States - i.e. the system of so-called chain migration, which ensures an endless supply of legal immigrants, few of them skilled or well-educated;

C) Given this system, any increase in legal immigration levels will only result in a further deluge of relatives of current immigrants entering, NOT skilled workers or people from countries that haven't had the chance to send many immigrants.

In light of all this, I can think of little good that would come from expanding the number of residency permits we issue.  If anything, I'd have to agree with an earlier commenter who suggested that a complete pause might be a better idea, then perhaps a resumption some time down the road at much lower levels and with the elimination of the family reunification provision.  Fundamentally, we need to start choosing who we want to allow into this country: as it stands, with both legal and illegal immigration, we have completely lost control over that crucial question.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rick,</p>
<p>I agreed with you right up until the point where you advocated an expansion of legal immigration, a point which I don&#8217;t think really logically follows from the rest of your argument.  With regards to our current immigration system, keep in mind that:</p>
<p>A) We already admit by far the largest number of immigrants of any nation in the world, over 1 million per year;</p>
<p>B) Nearly 70 percent of legal immigrants do not come here as skilled, unattached singles easily assimilated into American life, but as people sponsored by their immigrant relatives already in the United States - i.e. the system of so-called chain migration, which ensures an endless supply of legal immigrants, few of them skilled or well-educated;</p>
<p>C) Given this system, any increase in legal immigration levels will only result in a further deluge of relatives of current immigrants entering, NOT skilled workers or people from countries that haven&#8217;t had the chance to send many immigrants.</p>
<p>In light of all this, I can think of little good that would come from expanding the number of residency permits we issue.  If anything, I&#8217;d have to agree with an earlier commenter who suggested that a complete pause might be a better idea, then perhaps a resumption some time down the road at much lower levels and with the elimination of the family reunification provision.  Fundamentally, we need to start choosing who we want to allow into this country: as it stands, with both legal and illegal immigration, we have completely lost control over that crucial question.</p>
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		<title>By: Maggie's Farm</title>
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		<dc:creator>Maggie's Farm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 May 2006 20:36:57 +0000</pubDate>
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Pimm's #1 is IN. Who knew? It has been around since the Celts, I think. My Life in Stockholm. Plus a recipe. Perfect for a wedding.Dems join suit to quit terrorist surveillance. Good for them. What a genius idea!A Hornet at 30 feet. Nice photos.We are...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Sunday Nite/Monday Mornin&#8217; Links</strong></p>
<p>Pimm&#8217;s #1 is IN. Who knew? It has been around since the Celts, I think. My Life in Stockholm. Plus a recipe. Perfect for a wedding.Dems join suit to quit terrorist surveillance. Good for them. What a genius idea!A Hornet at 30 feet. Nice photos.We are&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: gene</title>
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		<dc:creator>gene</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 May 2006 20:05:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gee, the illegals only do jobs that we Americans won't do! Who in hell done them prior to this invasion? I don't think anyone in this country starved because we never had these people. This problem has been brought on by no other than the week kneed politicians and enablers who constantly give them the dollars to keep them in office to facillitate their constant wanting of MONEY! They are the only ones who benefit and don't believe that we would otherwize be paying $10.00 for a head of lettuce. Through all politicians out and what would we have? Replacements, just like the illegals.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gee, the illegals only do jobs that we Americans won&#8217;t do! Who in hell done them prior to this invasion? I don&#8217;t think anyone in this country starved because we never had these people. This problem has been brought on by no other than the week kneed politicians and enablers who constantly give them the dollars to keep them in office to facillitate their constant wanting of MONEY! They are the only ones who benefit and don&#8217;t believe that we would otherwize be paying $10.00 for a head of lettuce. Through all politicians out and what would we have? Replacements, just like the illegals.</p>
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		<title>By: SlimGuy</title>
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		<dc:creator>SlimGuy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 May 2006 17:42:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another thought occurred to me on the issue of an amnesty "solution"

Many can document how the mass of illegal aliens are low educated and low skilled and due to their status use false documents or under the table jobs to survive here and send back by many estimates 20 billion dollars a year earned in this country and not reinvested in our economy.

I submit for consideration, that if they are legalized in such large numbers and thus compete for jobs in the open economy and come out of the shadows all sorts of unforseen impacts will occur.

If it wouldn't cause such a backlash, I bet GM for example would love to throw the UAW out the front door to allow the newly authorized to perform such rocket science tasks as mounting tires on your next car.

Also the argument for illegals doing jobs americans wont do, if you look for example at a farmer who has a crop of lettuce that needs to be harvested by those illegals.  Well part of the reason citizens wont do the job is that it does not pay enough to legally support your family.  I don't have the analysis I read on this recently but an article I read somewhere supported the fact that even if farmers had to triple their wages to attract american workers to perform their harvest work the impact on the end cost of lettuce would be negligible, since labor costs are such a small percentage of their overall production costs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another thought occurred to me on the issue of an amnesty &#8220;solution&#8221;</p>
<p>Many can document how the mass of illegal aliens are low educated and low skilled and due to their status use false documents or under the table jobs to survive here and send back by many estimates 20 billion dollars a year earned in this country and not reinvested in our economy.</p>
<p>I submit for consideration, that if they are legalized in such large numbers and thus compete for jobs in the open economy and come out of the shadows all sorts of unforseen impacts will occur.</p>
<p>If it wouldn&#8217;t cause such a backlash, I bet GM for example would love to throw the UAW out the front door to allow the newly authorized to perform such rocket science tasks as mounting tires on your next car.</p>
<p>Also the argument for illegals doing jobs americans wont do, if you look for example at a farmer who has a crop of lettuce that needs to be harvested by those illegals.  Well part of the reason citizens wont do the job is that it does not pay enough to legally support your family.  I don&#8217;t have the analysis I read on this recently but an article I read somewhere supported the fact that even if farmers had to triple their wages to attract american workers to perform their harvest work the impact on the end cost of lettuce would be negligible, since labor costs are such a small percentage of their overall production costs.</p>
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		<title>By: SlimGuy</title>
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		<dc:creator>SlimGuy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 May 2006 17:22:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Might I suggest for reading the following on the "cost" of illegal immigrants in this country today

http://www.fairus.org/site/PageServer?pagename=research_localcosts

Also they have advanced a seven step plan that could result in effect to having the illegals deport themselves

http://www.fairus.org/site/PageServer?pagename=research_backgrounder_may102006</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Might I suggest for reading the following on the &#8220;cost&#8221; of illegal immigrants in this country today</p>
<p><a href="http://www.fairus.org/site/PageServer?pagename=research_localcosts" rel="nofollow">http://www.fairus.org/site/PageServer?pagename=research_localcosts</a></p>
<p>Also they have advanced a seven step plan that could result in effect to having the illegals deport themselves</p>
<p><a href="http://www.fairus.org/site/PageServer?pagename=research_backgrounder_may102006" rel="nofollow">http://www.fairus.org/site/PageServer?pagename=research_backgrounder_may102006</a></p>
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		<title>By: Jake Jacobsen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jake Jacobsen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 May 2006 06:47:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Rick,

Just curious, why do you think legal immigration would facilitate assimilation?

I live in a high immigration area and I tend to think there are too many factors working against assimilation in general.  Multi-culturalism is of course one, but also the very high numbers of legal immigrants do as well.

I have to wonder if we're not ready for another 1924-1965 style pause in immigration.

Or perhaps to put it another way, why exactly do we require high numbers of immigrants again?

I may have missed the memo.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Rick,</p>
<p>Just curious, why do you think legal immigration would facilitate assimilation?</p>
<p>I live in a high immigration area and I tend to think there are too many factors working against assimilation in general.  Multi-culturalism is of course one, but also the very high numbers of legal immigrants do as well.</p>
<p>I have to wonder if we&#8217;re not ready for another 1924-1965 style pause in immigration.</p>
<p>Or perhaps to put it another way, why exactly do we require high numbers of immigrants again?</p>
<p>I may have missed the memo.</p>
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		<title>By: lomaalta</title>
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		<dc:creator>lomaalta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 May 2006 05:59:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice discussion Rick, and some food for thought.

But, given the choice of destruction of America by the GOP leadership or by Hillary and crew, I dont see much difference.  Court appointments, taxes, foreigh policy, the fight against terror, the rule of law in America.  All will surely fall as fast from GOP leadership on immigration and the demise of America through a socialist one party state as a result of GOP leadership policy as they will fall from Hillary and the DEMS.

Shoot me (Hillary) and it may take a few seconds to die.

Stab me (GOP Leadership) and it may take a few minutes to die.

The result is the same, I die.

If President bush and the GOP leadership succeed in their immigration/amnesty/citizenship/open borders policies and they will stab America. 

Bush-&#62;Immigration Disaster-&#62;Hillary-&#62;fall of America
or 
Hillary-&#62; Untold disasters-&#62; fall of America.

Take your pick, stabbed or shot?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice discussion Rick, and some food for thought.</p>
<p>But, given the choice of destruction of America by the GOP leadership or by Hillary and crew, I dont see much difference.  Court appointments, taxes, foreigh policy, the fight against terror, the rule of law in America.  All will surely fall as fast from GOP leadership on immigration and the demise of America through a socialist one party state as a result of GOP leadership policy as they will fall from Hillary and the DEMS.</p>
<p>Shoot me (Hillary) and it may take a few seconds to die.</p>
<p>Stab me (GOP Leadership) and it may take a few minutes to die.</p>
<p>The result is the same, I die.</p>
<p>If President bush and the GOP leadership succeed in their immigration/amnesty/citizenship/open borders policies and they will stab America. </p>
<p>Bush-&gt;Immigration Disaster-&gt;Hillary-&gt;fall of America<br />
or<br />
Hillary-&gt; Untold disasters-&gt; fall of America.</p>
<p>Take your pick, stabbed or shot?</p>
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		<title>By: Pierre Legrand</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pierre Legrand</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 May 2006 02:05:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Typically well thought out and reasoned argument. Principle is important to me. Our nation is a nation of laws. I will not vote for anyone, nor will I donate and not one single moment of my time will be spent manning the phone banks for the Republicans should they normalize/assimilate/amnesty those who have thumbed their nose at our laws. Not a big loss to the Republicans I am sure, but regardless it is my intention to send a signal by not supporting those who betray my country.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Typically well thought out and reasoned argument. Principle is important to me. Our nation is a nation of laws. I will not vote for anyone, nor will I donate and not one single moment of my time will be spent manning the phone banks for the Republicans should they normalize/assimilate/amnesty those who have thumbed their nose at our laws. Not a big loss to the Republicans I am sure, but regardless it is my intention to send a signal by not supporting those who betray my country.</p>
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