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		<title>By: Right Wing Nut House &#187; VICTORY IS IN SIGHT</title>
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		<dc:creator>Right Wing Nut House &#187; VICTORY IS IN SIGHT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Jun 2006 23:24:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] PUNDIT VINCE AUT MORIRE VODKAPUNDIT WALLO WORLD WIDE AWAKES WIZBANG WUZZADEM ZERO POINT BLOG   VICTORY IS IN SIGHT BEYOND THE PALE THE &#8220;NEW MEDIA&#8221; STARTING TO LOOK OLD DEMOCRATS GO OUT WITH A WHIMPER ONIRAQ THE COUNCIL HAS SPOKEN TEAM USA JUST NOT READY FOR THE BIG TIME THE POLITICS OF WMD SITE DOWN &#8220;TELL THOSE DIRTY FASCISTS TO STOP THE NAME CALLING!&#8221; THE IMMORALITY OF THE DEMOCRATS&#8217; POSITION ON THE WAR &#8220;ENDEAVORING TO PERSEVERE&#8221; WHY JOHNNY CAN&#8217;T FIND RAMADI ON A MAP MURTHA: OLD SOLDIERS SHOULD JUST FADE AWAY WHY WE NEED MORE INTROSPECTION FROM THE MEDIA PREVIEW: TEAM USA VS. ITALY THE COWARDICE OF THE DEMOCRATS LA TIMES OFFERS MORE PROOF WHY NO ONE BOTHERS TO READ IT ANYMORE THE COUNCIL HAS SPOKEN: DOUBLETHINK EDITION JOHN KERRY IS A WEASEL AMNESTY FOR SOME INSURGENTS MAY BE THE PRICE OF VICTORY ONE DAY AT A TIME &#8220;A GRAND OLD FLAG&#8221; CLASH OF THE TITANS! JASON LEOPOLD&#8217;S HEAD EXPLODES TERROR SUSPECTS CHARGE ABUSE IN VATICAN PRISON   &#8220;24&#8243; (65) ABLE DANGER (10) Bird Flu (5) Blogging (87) Books (7) CARNIVAL OF THE CLUELESS (66) CHICAGO BEARS (9) CIA VS. THE WHITE HOUSE (24) Cindy Sheehan (12) Ethics (60) General (283) Government (43) History (58) IMMIGRATION REFORM (11) Iran (26) IRAQI RECONCILIATION (1) KATRINA (26) Katrina Timeline (4) Marvin Moonbat (14) Media (86) Middle East (24) Moonbats (48) NET NEUTRALITY (2) Open House (1) Politics (210) Science (15) Space (13) Supreme Court (19) UNITED NATIONS (1) War on Terror (121) WATCHER&#8217;S COUNCIL (48) WHITE SOX (1) Wide Awakes Radio (1) WORLD CUP (8) WORLD POLITICS (41) WORLD SERIES (14)   Admin Login Register Valid XHTML XFN [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Raoul Duke</title>
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		<dc:creator>Raoul Duke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Jun 2006 06:02:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let me get this straight, allow Amnesty For Iraqi Killers, But Not for illegal Immigrants? Maybe we could let Iraqi Terrorists be citizens too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let me get this straight, allow Amnesty For Iraqi Killers, But Not for illegal Immigrants? Maybe we could let Iraqi Terrorists be citizens too.</p>
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		<title>By: Andy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Jun 2006 01:08:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Apparently no one reads my comments, so I'll say my two main points again:  You can't have a peaceful end to an insurgency without some kind of amnesty.  Second, we already gave the Shia insurgents a blanket amnesty and no one said a word of complaint.

PC - your confusion on who we are fighting is understandable as the situation is complex and ever changing..  As it stands now, we are fighting multiple groups and there are other groups that conduct violent attacks that we are not actively fighting.  We are primarily fighting foreign jihadists- terrorists who are not Iraqi nationals but are members of or affiliated with Al Qaeda.  Zarqawi was the most famous example.  We're also fighting Iraqi Sunni insurgents.  You can break this group down into two main factions.  The first are radical former elements of Saddam's regime.  They have largely allied themselves with Al Qaeda, so they tend to get grouped together.  Theyâ€™re Rumsfeld means when he talks about â€œdead endersâ€.  The other Sunni insurgents/militias are disaffected Sunni's who are against the coalition and current Iraqi government, but could be brought into the political process.  Some parts of this group actually have joined the political process, but they play both sides of the fence by talking politics and supporting violence at the same time. A large focus of the new Iraqi government is on bringing these Sunnis fully into the process and get them to end violent action.

There are also several Shia militias.  The largest is Muqtada Al Sadr's Al Mahdi militia.  Sadr basically speaks for a large majority of disaffected Shia youth and his Mahdi army is pretty powerful.  Heâ€™s the most powerful Shia figure next to Sistani. He's managed to infilitrate loyalists into most of the army and police force, which has led to accusations that government forces are actively murdering Sunnis.  He's not actively fighting the coaltion (though he did back in 2004).  Mostly he conducts reprisal attacks against Sunnis.  Finally, there are the usual criminal gangs that you'll find in any society, except they are very well armed in Iraq.  Many of the gangs have associations with or are directly part of militias.  At that level, itâ€™s really hard to tell who is a street thug and who is an insurgent since they often look and act the same.

I hope that clears things up</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Apparently no one reads my comments, so I&#8217;ll say my two main points again:  You can&#8217;t have a peaceful end to an insurgency without some kind of amnesty.  Second, we already gave the Shia insurgents a blanket amnesty and no one said a word of complaint.</p>
<p>PC - your confusion on who we are fighting is understandable as the situation is complex and ever changing..  As it stands now, we are fighting multiple groups and there are other groups that conduct violent attacks that we are not actively fighting.  We are primarily fighting foreign jihadists- terrorists who are not Iraqi nationals but are members of or affiliated with Al Qaeda.  Zarqawi was the most famous example.  We&#8217;re also fighting Iraqi Sunni insurgents.  You can break this group down into two main factions.  The first are radical former elements of Saddam&#8217;s regime.  They have largely allied themselves with Al Qaeda, so they tend to get grouped together.  Theyâ€™re Rumsfeld means when he talks about â€œdead endersâ€.  The other Sunni insurgents/militias are disaffected Sunni&#8217;s who are against the coalition and current Iraqi government, but could be brought into the political process.  Some parts of this group actually have joined the political process, but they play both sides of the fence by talking politics and supporting violence at the same time. A large focus of the new Iraqi government is on bringing these Sunnis fully into the process and get them to end violent action.</p>
<p>There are also several Shia militias.  The largest is Muqtada Al Sadr&#8217;s Al Mahdi militia.  Sadr basically speaks for a large majority of disaffected Shia youth and his Mahdi army is pretty powerful.  Heâ€™s the most powerful Shia figure next to Sistani. He&#8217;s managed to infilitrate loyalists into most of the army and police force, which has led to accusations that government forces are actively murdering Sunnis.  He&#8217;s not actively fighting the coaltion (though he did back in 2004).  Mostly he conducts reprisal attacks against Sunnis.  Finally, there are the usual criminal gangs that you&#8217;ll find in any society, except they are very well armed in Iraq.  Many of the gangs have associations with or are directly part of militias.  At that level, itâ€™s really hard to tell who is a street thug and who is an insurgent since they often look and act the same.</p>
<p>I hope that clears things up</p>
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		<title>By: PC</title>
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		<dc:creator>PC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jun 2006 19:05:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One last thing,all you equating the Iraqi gov giving amnesty to terrorists to our giving amnesty to Nazi's in WW2 are smoking crack. That Amnesty was given on our terms, to people we designated... not on the anyone elses terms. See, WW2, we built an Army and got unconditional surrender..you know, we won! Build an army large enough to win this regional war, put up, make the sacrifice, or shut up, everything else is just smoke and mirrors!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One last thing,all you equating the Iraqi gov giving amnesty to terrorists to our giving amnesty to Nazi&#8217;s in WW2 are smoking crack. That Amnesty was given on our terms, to people we designated&#8230; not on the anyone elses terms. See, WW2, we built an Army and got unconditional surrender..you know, we won! Build an army large enough to win this regional war, put up, make the sacrifice, or shut up, everything else is just smoke and mirrors!</p>
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		<title>By: PC</title>
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		<dc:creator>PC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jun 2006 18:58:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amnesty- becuase we do not have enough troops in theater to fight this regional war, that is why. Bush did not raise a large enough Army, and now we are letting the terrorists go free? Don't give me any BS about how insurgents do not equal terrorits, because everytime comservatives talk, the mix the two. ARE WE FIGHTING TERRORISTS IN IRAQ OR NOT? Amensty....jaysus...SMOKE AND MIRRORS, RAISE AN ARMY LIKE REAGAN WOULD, THEN COME TALK TO ME ABOUT WINNING.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amnesty- becuase we do not have enough troops in theater to fight this regional war, that is why. Bush did not raise a large enough Army, and now we are letting the terrorists go free? Don&#8217;t give me any BS about how insurgents do not equal terrorits, because everytime comservatives talk, the mix the two. ARE WE FIGHTING TERRORISTS IN IRAQ OR NOT? Amensty&#8230;.jaysus&#8230;SMOKE AND MIRRORS, RAISE AN ARMY LIKE REAGAN WOULD, THEN COME TALK TO ME ABOUT WINNING.</p>
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		<title>By: benjoya</title>
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		<dc:creator>benjoya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jun 2006 18:29:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>why do we accept amnesty? why is osama free? cause american blood is of no value to the bush administration. wake up, chumps.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>why do we accept amnesty? why is osama free? cause american blood is of no value to the bush administration. wake up, chumps.</p>
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		<title>By: Hard Starboard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hard Starboard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jun 2006 18:01:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Missive Retaliation&lt;/strong&gt;

Here is what constitutes al Donka's three-pronged counterattack against the three big U.S. victories in Iraq over the past week (the newly-elected Iraqi government, the righteous detonation of "Emir" Zarqawi (man, but that name is difficult to type)...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Missive Retaliation</strong></p>
<p>Here is what constitutes al Donka&#8217;s three-pronged counterattack against the three big U.S. victories in Iraq over the past week (the newly-elected Iraqi government, the righteous detonation of &#8220;Emir&#8221; Zarqawi (man, but that name is difficult to type)&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: blogenfreude</title>
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		<dc:creator>blogenfreude</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jun 2006 17:48:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why does Rightwing Nuthouse hate America?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why does Rightwing Nuthouse hate America?</p>
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		<title>By: SShiell</title>
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		<dc:creator>SShiell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jun 2006 13:34:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"If Libs had begun talk of amnesty, it would have been called traitors, comitting treason by selling out our troops. But when Conservatives do it, it is all good."

Amnesty has been proposed before. And much like the current discussion, many of the comments then as now center on who would be given the opportunity for amnesty. Those who have targeted civilians, targeted Americans, etc. The bottom line is the issue is not Liberal versus Conservative but ultimately an Iraqi one. And as I said in my previous post (#7), Maliki and his administration will have to make those decisions.

Now when a troll enters into a discussion such as this one, a good bitch slapping is in order.  Are you next?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;If Libs had begun talk of amnesty, it would have been called traitors, comitting treason by selling out our troops. But when Conservatives do it, it is all good.&#8221;</p>
<p>Amnesty has been proposed before. And much like the current discussion, many of the comments then as now center on who would be given the opportunity for amnesty. Those who have targeted civilians, targeted Americans, etc. The bottom line is the issue is not Liberal versus Conservative but ultimately an Iraqi one. And as I said in my previous post (#7), Maliki and his administration will have to make those decisions.</p>
<p>Now when a troll enters into a discussion such as this one, a good bitch slapping is in order.  Are you next?</p>
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		<title>By: Fritz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fritz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jun 2006 13:24:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is insurgency surrender, while conditional, surrender.  To call for a continuation of hostilities when a political option is available is outrageous.   How many of those that have died, would want their buddy to die for a bogus proposition their death was in vain for fighting to bring about a functioning democracy in Iraq, when the functioning democracy they died for has a path for success of that end?  The cut and run crowd that are willing to let these lives in fact be in vain, now have raised this new threshold as a domestic political effort to harrass the Bush Administration.  This is equivalent of claiming Truman let the Emperor of Japan off after killing 300,000 Americans.   We have to ask these Democrat insurgents, How many more Americans and Iraqis have to die to meet their new unconditional surrender goal post?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is insurgency surrender, while conditional, surrender.  To call for a continuation of hostilities when a political option is available is outrageous.   How many of those that have died, would want their buddy to die for a bogus proposition their death was in vain for fighting to bring about a functioning democracy in Iraq, when the functioning democracy they died for has a path for success of that end?  The cut and run crowd that are willing to let these lives in fact be in vain, now have raised this new threshold as a domestic political effort to harrass the Bush Administration.  This is equivalent of claiming Truman let the Emperor of Japan off after killing 300,000 Americans.   We have to ask these Democrat insurgents, How many more Americans and Iraqis have to die to meet their new unconditional surrender goal post?</p>
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