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	<title>Comments on: WHY JOHNNY CAN&#8217;T FIND RAMADI ON A MAP</title>
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		<title>By: ProCynic</title>
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		<dc:creator>ProCynic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jun 2006 13:50:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agree with you on the inadequacy of history teaching, but disagree on the "shared sacrifice" issue and W not asking us to make it. Or, more precisely, the reason he did not ask us to make it.

I don't have time to get into it all right now, but my logic is basically this. Al Qaida's September 11 attack was an attack on our economy and way of life. It was intended to scare people, which would have the effect of dampening economic activity, thereby causing job cuts and lowering our standard of living. 

Would not asking us to "share the sacrifice" by rationing and the like amount to the same thing?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agree with you on the inadequacy of history teaching, but disagree on the &#8220;shared sacrifice&#8221; issue and W not asking us to make it. Or, more precisely, the reason he did not ask us to make it.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t have time to get into it all right now, but my logic is basically this. Al Qaida&#8217;s September 11 attack was an attack on our economy and way of life. It was intended to scare people, which would have the effect of dampening economic activity, thereby causing job cuts and lowering our standard of living. </p>
<p>Would not asking us to &#8220;share the sacrifice&#8221; by rationing and the like amount to the same thing?</p>
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		<title>By: Claudia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Claudia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jun 2006 04:52:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You yearn for a unity of purpose, but I suspect you are romanticizing the situation of previous wars, even WWII.

I am sure that GWB would have loved concentrating on the GWOT to the exclusion of all other issues.  But who will allow that?  I believe that he has preserved the war effort - denying the false either/or choice postulated by his opponents - by keeping things stirred up on the domestic front. And who was going to let him off on those pesky issues like campaigning, replacing supreme court justices, tax reform, and illegal immigration, to name a few?  We just have to get on with it all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You yearn for a unity of purpose, but I suspect you are romanticizing the situation of previous wars, even WWII.</p>
<p>I am sure that GWB would have loved concentrating on the GWOT to the exclusion of all other issues.  But who will allow that?  I believe that he has preserved the war effort - denying the false either/or choice postulated by his opponents - by keeping things stirred up on the domestic front. And who was going to let him off on those pesky issues like campaigning, replacing supreme court justices, tax reform, and illegal immigration, to name a few?  We just have to get on with it all.</p>
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		<title>By: wuzzagrunt</title>
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		<dc:creator>wuzzagrunt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jun 2006 04:24:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Talk about substandard history education...reading my son's American history text, one could assume the Revolutionary War was fought and won, almost exclusively, by women and minorities.  It would be wrong (and incorrect)to diminish the contributions of women, black slaves and freemen, and some native indians, but I always thought that there were some white guys who did stuff, too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Talk about substandard history education&#8230;reading my son&#8217;s American history text, one could assume the Revolutionary War was fought and won, almost exclusively, by women and minorities.  It would be wrong (and incorrect)to diminish the contributions of women, black slaves and freemen, and some native indians, but I always thought that there were some white guys who did stuff, too.</p>
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		<title>By: Wickedpinto</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wickedpinto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jun 2006 21:32:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Including history, and education.  Every male on my fathers side of the family has served, including myself and my brother.  My brother and I both knew more about recent military history than most everyone in our environment, not cuz we were smart, or cuz our schools taught us, but more along the lines of "Just what did dad, and grandad do?"  Thats important, because in the first year of US history at my highschool (only 1 year required) the curriculuum (spelling?) cuts off just prior to WWII.  We didn't even touch on WWII, or Vietnam, but we got a full 3 weeks of pre-colonial history covering the olmecs,aztecs and inca's.

My families legacy of service convinced my brother and I to read a bit about it and realize "Man! I got it cushy, I should do something!" so we enlisted.  We CHOSE to participate in the discussion, and in the result, for the very reason that we were compelled to learn about the history of our family, and a portion of neglected history that isn't covered in basic public education.  Too many ignore the legacy, the heritage, the discussion, the sollution and the history, and instead seek out an ineffectual argument of selfish political interest.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Including history, and education.  Every male on my fathers side of the family has served, including myself and my brother.  My brother and I both knew more about recent military history than most everyone in our environment, not cuz we were smart, or cuz our schools taught us, but more along the lines of &#8220;Just what did dad, and grandad do?&#8221;  Thats important, because in the first year of US history at my highschool (only 1 year required) the curriculuum (spelling?) cuts off just prior to WWII.  We didn&#8217;t even touch on WWII, or Vietnam, but we got a full 3 weeks of pre-colonial history covering the olmecs,aztecs and inca&#8217;s.</p>
<p>My families legacy of service convinced my brother and I to read a bit about it and realize &#8220;Man! I got it cushy, I should do something!&#8221; so we enlisted.  We CHOSE to participate in the discussion, and in the result, for the very reason that we were compelled to learn about the history of our family, and a portion of neglected history that isn&#8217;t covered in basic public education.  Too many ignore the legacy, the heritage, the discussion, the sollution and the history, and instead seek out an ineffectual argument of selfish political interest.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jun 2006 21:07:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am sure that the reason the Twitsy Chicks aren't patriotic is they have no clue to America's History.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am sure that the reason the Twitsy Chicks aren&#8217;t patriotic is they have no clue to America&#8217;s History.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jun 2006 21:03:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think you and Lyn are both right. 

The American education "system" (ha!) is dysfunctional and students do not learn geography or economics or any real history. Today's media, with incredible technology that would have been pure science fiction sixty years ago, falls far short in comparison with WWII vintage newspapers. Both Congress and the Bush administration have fallen into the LBJ trap of "guns and butter" and, except when debating the war, try to pretend it doesn't exist.

However, I must disagree with you regarding the draft. As a previous commenter noted, the military (for very good reasons) does not want a draft. In addition to those very good and sufficient reasons, just imagine the field day that Michael Moore and the rabid left and the Cowardly News Network could have with that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you and Lyn are both right. </p>
<p>The American education &#8220;system&#8221; (ha!) is dysfunctional and students do not learn geography or economics or any real history. Today&#8217;s media, with incredible technology that would have been pure science fiction sixty years ago, falls far short in comparison with WWII vintage newspapers. Both Congress and the Bush administration have fallen into the LBJ trap of &#8220;guns and butter&#8221; and, except when debating the war, try to pretend it doesn&#8217;t exist.</p>
<p>However, I must disagree with you regarding the draft. As a previous commenter noted, the military (for very good reasons) does not want a draft. In addition to those very good and sufficient reasons, just imagine the field day that Michael Moore and the rabid left and the Cowardly News Network could have with that.</p>
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		<title>By: steve sturm</title>
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		<dc:creator>steve sturm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jun 2006 21:03:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There wasn't a lot of popular support for going into Iraq... and there would have been even less support if we were forced be "full partners" in George's-not-so-excellent-adventure.

And Bush, giving credit where it is due, was smart enough to realize this.  That's why he never forced the 'guns or butter' issue to the forefront of debate.  That's why, to the chagrin on many anti-war types, Bush never demanded we 'sacrifice' anything... no revoking the tax cuts, no cutting domestic spending to pay for the war, no draft.  

The (sad?) fact is that the public didn't and doesn't buy into the premise that Iraq (with Hussein in charge) was either in cahoots with the terrorists or that much of a threat to us.  They were willing to let Bush go off and play cowboy just so long as it was volunteers who got themselves killed and so long as it didn't cause the folks at home a whole lot of problems.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There wasn&#8217;t a lot of popular support for going into Iraq&#8230; and there would have been even less support if we were forced be &#8220;full partners&#8221; in George&#8217;s-not-so-excellent-adventure.</p>
<p>And Bush, giving credit where it is due, was smart enough to realize this.  That&#8217;s why he never forced the &#8216;guns or butter&#8217; issue to the forefront of debate.  That&#8217;s why, to the chagrin on many anti-war types, Bush never demanded we &#8217;sacrifice&#8217; anything&#8230; no revoking the tax cuts, no cutting domestic spending to pay for the war, no draft.  </p>
<p>The (sad?) fact is that the public didn&#8217;t and doesn&#8217;t buy into the premise that Iraq (with Hussein in charge) was either in cahoots with the terrorists or that much of a threat to us.  They were willing to let Bush go off and play cowboy just so long as it was volunteers who got themselves killed and so long as it didn&#8217;t cause the folks at home a whole lot of problems.</p>
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		<title>By: Chuck</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chuck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jun 2006 20:58:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pinto
You are exactly correct. As someone of an age that the abolishment of the draft was of acute interest,the public discourse at the time ran to the "Let's have an all volunteer force". The net result over the years has been that the military requirement has been filled with citizens such as my daughter( a much higher caliber component than her father I assure you), to the detriment of a more socially diverse population.
The basis for this end result lies solidly with Democratic party. For the Democrats to deny what has been such a demonstrable success only indicates how completely they have retreated from the public mainstrean.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pinto<br />
You are exactly correct. As someone of an age that the abolishment of the draft was of acute interest,the public discourse at the time ran to the &#8220;Let&#8217;s have an all volunteer force&#8221;. The net result over the years has been that the military requirement has been filled with citizens such as my daughter( a much higher caliber component than her father I assure you), to the detriment of a more socially diverse population.<br />
The basis for this end result lies solidly with Democratic party. For the Democrats to deny what has been such a demonstrable success only indicates how completely they have retreated from the public mainstrean.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jun 2006 20:47:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very interesting point about Bush focusing attention away from Iraq.</description>
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		<title>By: Andy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jun 2006 19:51:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just to comment about the draft:  BAD IDEA.

No one in the military wants draftees.  No soldier wants some draftee watching his six in combat.  How would we pay for the millions of draftee's when we are already cutting personnel to pay for recapitalization.  Besides, conscript armies are very very bad at fighting insurgencies.

As for the larger issue, I don't know how to solve it.  9/11 seems a distant memory to most in America and I feel a large part of the populace has gone back to their self-centered views and lives.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just to comment about the draft:  BAD IDEA.</p>
<p>No one in the military wants draftees.  No soldier wants some draftee watching his six in combat.  How would we pay for the millions of draftee&#8217;s when we are already cutting personnel to pay for recapitalization.  Besides, conscript armies are very very bad at fighting insurgencies.</p>
<p>As for the larger issue, I don&#8217;t know how to solve it.  9/11 seems a distant memory to most in America and I feel a large part of the populace has gone back to their self-centered views and lives.</p>
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