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		<title>By: pc</title>
		<link>http://rightwingnuthouse.com/archives/2006/06/24/beyond-the-pale-2/comment-page-1/#comment-244516</link>
		<dc:creator>pc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jun 2006 21:38:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Barge...under your premise, anytime the federal gov claims a national security issue, it trumps the bill of rights. I find that, a rather odd position for a "conservative".</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Barge&#8230;under your premise, anytime the federal gov claims a national security issue, it trumps the bill of rights. I find that, a rather odd position for a &#8220;conservative&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Badge 2211</title>
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		<dc:creator>Badge 2211</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jun 2006 02:57:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How tiresome. What part of treason don't you understand? The deed is done and if I didn't know better, if the AG prosecutes, the NYT is dead. They were warned, from Democrat and Republican alike, all having national security portfolios, not to publish because it does cross the red line. There are no fogs of legal interpretation and the jeapordy of Operation SWIFT for financial gain is treason of the highest order.

Those creatures in the media who will see us die for their vanity and prejudices should be reminded of what this country used to do traitors.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How tiresome. What part of treason don&#8217;t you understand? The deed is done and if I didn&#8217;t know better, if the AG prosecutes, the NYT is dead. They were warned, from Democrat and Republican alike, all having national security portfolios, not to publish because it does cross the red line. There are no fogs of legal interpretation and the jeapordy of Operation SWIFT for financial gain is treason of the highest order.</p>
<p>Those creatures in the media who will see us die for their vanity and prejudices should be reminded of what this country used to do traitors.</p>
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		<title>By: pc</title>
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		<dc:creator>pc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jun 2006 02:00:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The times is not under a legal obligation to safeguard classified material. The person that leaked it, is. Also, the elected officials that are confirming this story by going on national TV and advocating for the prosecution of the Times, are. None of these people should be confirming or denying any of this information. They obviously do not understand much. There is a lot spin, half spin, truth,and outright lies that gets printed daily in the NYT and every other major newspaper in the country. Why are our elected officials confirming this story? For every news story a paper or TV news gets right, there are ten times they only get it half right or completely wrong. Elected officials need to start shutting their mouths and addressing any Constitutional concerns over current programs in closed session. This is not about the press, or the the NYT. This is about people who leak, and other who confirm it. Stop blaming the media.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The times is not under a legal obligation to safeguard classified material. The person that leaked it, is. Also, the elected officials that are confirming this story by going on national TV and advocating for the prosecution of the Times, are. None of these people should be confirming or denying any of this information. They obviously do not understand much. There is a lot spin, half spin, truth,and outright lies that gets printed daily in the NYT and every other major newspaper in the country. Why are our elected officials confirming this story? For every news story a paper or TV news gets right, there are ten times they only get it half right or completely wrong. Elected officials need to start shutting their mouths and addressing any Constitutional concerns over current programs in closed session. This is not about the press, or the the NYT. This is about people who leak, and other who confirm it. Stop blaming the media.</p>
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		<title>By: Badge 2211</title>
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		<dc:creator>Badge 2211</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Jun 2006 18:12:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The NYT reporters and its editor Bill Kellor and the publisher Pinch need to do the perp walk. Period.

Treason is treason. Does anyone doubt that FDR would've hestitated to arrest, prosecute and hang any private American enterprise, media or otherwise, that revealed either Magic or Enigma during WWII?

We better forget the Vietnam meme, it is not the rule it is the anomaly. I have no doubt the NYT and the LAT see this as their "Pentagon Papers" moment and the courts will back their right to publish these national secrets.

It is a bet I wouldn't take but they did. Lets arrest, print and book these effin treasonous bastards, close down   and confiscate the entire contents of all their offices and printing presses and let them spend every last dime trying to prevent Kellor and Pinch from the fate they were all too willing to let Judith Miller suffer, which she did. Make the bitches scream and let us see whether the have the courage of their convictions.

There is another stream we will have to address, sooner or later. If Americans feel threatened by or are killed and maimed because of these treasonous activities and the most the Feds will do is forever beg on their knees Americans involved in private business to cease and desist from their direly ruinous activity, how far away is direct action?

I only mention it because we already can see an imperious judiciary and an out-of-control legal system that abuses the safety, rights and even livelyhood of Joe Sixpack is now getting blowback big time. Imperious judges and sleazy/incompetent attorneys have been killed and wounded in ever increasing numbers. In the end, if the judiciary, or a private enterprise such as the NYT are allowed to harm America's citizens by abusing the social compact between the citizens and their judiciary, they may have a lot more to worry about than a residency in a federal cellblock.

In this very city where devastation and destruction reached heights never perpetrated by a foreign enemy before on 9-11, the NYT is so effin arrogant to forget and deny that it ever happened and are facilitating a potential future attack. A second time will not be a charm and when the smoke clears, it will be too late to save them from an uncivil surviving citizenry. They would not be safe anywhere in this country.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The NYT reporters and its editor Bill Kellor and the publisher Pinch need to do the perp walk. Period.</p>
<p>Treason is treason. Does anyone doubt that FDR would&#8217;ve hestitated to arrest, prosecute and hang any private American enterprise, media or otherwise, that revealed either Magic or Enigma during WWII?</p>
<p>We better forget the Vietnam meme, it is not the rule it is the anomaly. I have no doubt the NYT and the LAT see this as their &#8220;Pentagon Papers&#8221; moment and the courts will back their right to publish these national secrets.</p>
<p>It is a bet I wouldn&#8217;t take but they did. Lets arrest, print and book these effin treasonous bastards, close down   and confiscate the entire contents of all their offices and printing presses and let them spend every last dime trying to prevent Kellor and Pinch from the fate they were all too willing to let Judith Miller suffer, which she did. Make the bitches scream and let us see whether the have the courage of their convictions.</p>
<p>There is another stream we will have to address, sooner or later. If Americans feel threatened by or are killed and maimed because of these treasonous activities and the most the Feds will do is forever beg on their knees Americans involved in private business to cease and desist from their direly ruinous activity, how far away is direct action?</p>
<p>I only mention it because we already can see an imperious judiciary and an out-of-control legal system that abuses the safety, rights and even livelyhood of Joe Sixpack is now getting blowback big time. Imperious judges and sleazy/incompetent attorneys have been killed and wounded in ever increasing numbers. In the end, if the judiciary, or a private enterprise such as the NYT are allowed to harm America&#8217;s citizens by abusing the social compact between the citizens and their judiciary, they may have a lot more to worry about than a residency in a federal cellblock.</p>
<p>In this very city where devastation and destruction reached heights never perpetrated by a foreign enemy before on 9-11, the NYT is so effin arrogant to forget and deny that it ever happened and are facilitating a potential future attack. A second time will not be a charm and when the smoke clears, it will be too late to save them from an uncivil surviving citizenry. They would not be safe anywhere in this country.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark J</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark J</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Jun 2006 16:05:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rick is accurate in his assessment that it is too late for this administration to do anything about these leaks and publications. The reason being is that is EXACTLY what the MSM and Clintonistaâ€™s in the CIA want Bush to do! That will move forward their â€˜action lineâ€™ and agenda â€˜provingâ€™ that the Bushies are a totalitarian fascist regime (in their own puny minds). See! Even the 1st amendment isnâ€™t safe! I can hear it all now. You must realize by now that facts, law and truth mean nothing to the Left. Their quest for power is absolute. The best way right now to curb this treasonous behavior is to financially damage the messengers (NYT, LAT, NBC, CNN, CBS, ABC, al-AP, al-Reuters, etc.). Businesses, small and large, need to cancel all advertising, cancel all subscriptions and distribution contracts. Quit watching and reading.  I guarantee youâ€™ll feel better and have a better day (and lower blood pressure).   There are plenty of alternative news sources that actually present â€˜real newsâ€™ and support America, rather than aid and abet the terrorists.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rick is accurate in his assessment that it is too late for this administration to do anything about these leaks and publications. The reason being is that is EXACTLY what the MSM and Clintonistaâ€™s in the CIA want Bush to do! That will move forward their â€˜action lineâ€™ and agenda â€˜provingâ€™ that the Bushies are a totalitarian fascist regime (in their own puny minds). See! Even the 1st amendment isnâ€™t safe! I can hear it all now. You must realize by now that facts, law and truth mean nothing to the Left. Their quest for power is absolute. The best way right now to curb this treasonous behavior is to financially damage the messengers (NYT, LAT, NBC, CNN, CBS, ABC, al-AP, al-Reuters, etc.). Businesses, small and large, need to cancel all advertising, cancel all subscriptions and distribution contracts. Quit watching and reading.  I guarantee youâ€™ll feel better and have a better day (and lower blood pressure).   There are plenty of alternative news sources that actually present â€˜real newsâ€™ and support America, rather than aid and abet the terrorists.</p>
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		<title>By: ECS</title>
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		<dc:creator>ECS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Jun 2006 14:27:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"Nearly every media outlet in the country would condemn it".   

Rick, so what? 

Rick, When did you, a highly decorated member of the new pajama media, start to worry what the David Gerghens of the planet think?  The deliberate acts of these three newspapers will probably at some point succeed in killing many American citizens.  Even if not intended, what they've done rises to the  level of 'reckless disregard' which gets you a manslaughter conviction.  (Compare, this with Scoter Libby's 'crime').  Prosecutions must begin, and I start with a paper that should have known better - The Wall Street Journal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Nearly every media outlet in the country would condemn it&#8221;.   </p>
<p>Rick, so what? </p>
<p>Rick, When did you, a highly decorated member of the new pajama media, start to worry what the David Gerghens of the planet think?  The deliberate acts of these three newspapers will probably at some point succeed in killing many American citizens.  Even if not intended, what they&#8217;ve done rises to the  level of &#8216;reckless disregard&#8217; which gets you a manslaughter conviction.  (Compare, this with Scoter Libby&#8217;s &#8216;crime&#8217;).  Prosecutions must begin, and I start with a paper that should have known better - The Wall Street Journal.</p>
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		<title>By: Wickedpinto</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wickedpinto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Jun 2006 05:08:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;It wonâ€™t deter others and it will only send the press into paroxysms of hysterics.&lt;/i&gt;  Are you saying that the Press would become "martyrs?"

Well, we've seen the ineffectual nature of those who predict martyrs. (see Davidians)

And If we don't want the law to become meaningless, we must PROSECUTE it, that is why I support a prosecution, even a failed one.

For, if there is no EFFORT on the part of the nation to execute the Law, as it has been authored by the congress, then that law, by judicial stress, might become invalid, for those times when it might SUDDENLY become valid to the people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>It wonâ€™t deter others and it will only send the press into paroxysms of hysterics.</i>  Are you saying that the Press would become &#8220;martyrs?&#8221;</p>
<p>Well, we&#8217;ve seen the ineffectual nature of those who predict martyrs. (see Davidians)</p>
<p>And If we don&#8217;t want the law to become meaningless, we must PROSECUTE it, that is why I support a prosecution, even a failed one.</p>
<p>For, if there is no EFFORT on the part of the nation to execute the Law, as it has been authored by the congress, then that law, by judicial stress, might become invalid, for those times when it might SUDDENLY become valid to the people.</p>
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		<title>By: crosspatch</title>
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		<dc:creator>crosspatch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Jun 2006 01:15:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Clarice,

While I certainly agree that we need to stem those leaks, there is a larger issue.  The issue is one of responsibility we as members of a community have to protect each other to the extent that we can.  When, for example, the NYT publishes timetables and troop deployment plans, it places Americans in danger.

Let me put it a different way.  If a relative or friend of mine gave me classified information and I posted it on the Internet, could I get away with it?  Somehow I doubt it.  The idea seems to be that it doesn't so much matter who leaks it as it seems to matter who it is leaked to which seems somehow goofy to me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Clarice,</p>
<p>While I certainly agree that we need to stem those leaks, there is a larger issue.  The issue is one of responsibility we as members of a community have to protect each other to the extent that we can.  When, for example, the NYT publishes timetables and troop deployment plans, it places Americans in danger.</p>
<p>Let me put it a different way.  If a relative or friend of mine gave me classified information and I posted it on the Internet, could I get away with it?  Somehow I doubt it.  The idea seems to be that it doesn&#8217;t so much matter who leaks it as it seems to matter who it is leaked to which seems somehow goofy to me.</p>
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		<title>By: clarice feldman</title>
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		<dc:creator>clarice feldman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Jun 2006 00:53:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think DoJ held off prosecuting on the NSA leak because they feared the backlash. And look what they got? A steady stream of secrets telegraphed to the enemy via the front page of the NYT. Sometimes you have to bite the bullet, and I think the timme is ripe. There was no justification at all for this. There was a bipartisan plea not to do this. And Keller did anyway.
Advertiser boycotts are fine. Appearances before the FCC to oppose license  renewals is okay.
Urging subscribers to the other papers the NYT's owns-- particularly in Republican areas like Sarasota --is a keen idea. But in the end. the AG simply has to start convening a grand jury and finding out who's leaking and act to stem that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think DoJ held off prosecuting on the NSA leak because they feared the backlash. And look what they got? A steady stream of secrets telegraphed to the enemy via the front page of the NYT. Sometimes you have to bite the bullet, and I think the timme is ripe. There was no justification at all for this. There was a bipartisan plea not to do this. And Keller did anyway.<br />
Advertiser boycotts are fine. Appearances before the FCC to oppose license  renewals is okay.<br />
Urging subscribers to the other papers the NYT&#8217;s owns&#8211; particularly in Republican areas like Sarasota &#8211;is a keen idea. But in the end. the AG simply has to start convening a grand jury and finding out who&#8217;s leaking and act to stem that.</p>
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		<title>By: crosspatch</title>
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		<dc:creator>crosspatch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Jun 2006 00:25:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don't look now but the NYT just did it again.  Noticed a posting pointing to &lt;a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2006/06/25/world/middleeast/25military.html?ei=5088&#38;en=f51dc3bd1a5ff247&#38;ex=1308888000&#38;partner=rssnyt&#38;emc=rss&#38;pagewanted=print" rel="nofollow"&gt;this article&lt;/a&gt; over at Sweetness &#38; Light.

A report on the contents of a classified briefing by General Casey on troop drawdown plans in Iraq.

NOW I am REALLY getting angry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t look now but the NYT just did it again.  Noticed a posting pointing to <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2006/06/25/world/middleeast/25military.html?ei=5088&amp;en=f51dc3bd1a5ff247&amp;ex=1308888000&amp;partner=rssnyt&amp;emc=rss&amp;pagewanted=print" rel="nofollow">this article</a> over at Sweetness &amp; Light.</p>
<p>A report on the contents of a classified briefing by General Casey on troop drawdown plans in Iraq.</p>
<p>NOW I am REALLY getting angry.</p>
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