Comments on: VICTORY IS IN SIGHT

By: Bob Zimmerman

Bob Zimmerman — Sun, 25 Jun 2006 17:44:21 +0000

I think your right. It sounds bad, but it might be the only way. If not they will just keep fighting because they have nothing to lose. How many japanese and German soldiers went back home after WWII who killed Americans? Plenty. But that is war I guess and it would be nice for it to be over and we could help Iraq deal full time with the Islamic fascist.

By: Glelawnj

Glelawnj — Sun, 25 Jun 2006 16:14:24 +0000

Remember, after the American Civil War, Abraham Lincoln’s main and virtually only condition for the surrender of the Army of Northern Virginia (and later the other remaining armies of the Confederacy) was that they lay down their arms, go home and promise to be loyal to the United States of America. Lincoln was never in favor of punishment of the Confederacy or war crimes trials for its leaders. He knew, the only way to national reconciliation was to let everyone be countrymen again.

The radical reconstruction that followed Lincolns death was, in many ways, the wrong way to go, to the extent that it sought top punish the former members of the Confederacy. It would have been much more successful if it had simply sought to impose the new order concerning treatment of the former slaves, rather than also imposing northern “overlords” to run the local governments.

The new Iraqi leadership well understands that this is necessary if you are going to get anywhere with regard to national reconciliation. This is even more true in a country with such deep ethnic division to deal with after the war. We cannot condemn them for wanting to grant amnesty and move past the war, when we did the same thing ourselves 150 years ago.

By: Drewsmom

Drewsmom — Sun, 25 Jun 2006 15:27:07 +0000

Mr. Z - I AGREE WITH ALL YOU SAID — WE DID WIN.
JOHN HORSEFACE KERRY AND MURTHA DEPLOY 5 THOUSAND MILES AWAY, WELL THEY ALL NEED TO GO.
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By: Bob Zimmerman

Bob Zimmerman — Sun, 25 Jun 2006 14:18:35 +0000

No we won. Saddam was removed from power. The WMD’s are gone. The nuke scientist will not be making bombs to give terrorist. It is not all perfect but it is a lot better than before. We should all be very proud of the men and women of the US military.

Then people like Murtha, Kerry and Dick Durbin need to be voted out of office for trying to lose this war. There is blood on their hands.

By: pc

pc — Sun, 25 Jun 2006 10:33:17 +0000

Robert-
But we are redeploying. You think our re deployment is based on the situation on the ground, or politics? Americans will not accept anything else. It is in the news. You can read it for yourself. We are doing everything that Republicans and Democrats have been asking for… scaled withdrawl, timelines attached to milestones. Except of course, the PM call for amnesty. I believe the Senate passed a resolution about that, what, last week? Watching our politicians answer questions about that, is truly going to be a comedy show.
You want to impress me as a conservative? Slam Bush for not building an Army large enough to meet our current threats. Our military should be double the size it is right now, and we had the perfect opportunity to build a force large enough after 9/11 to re structure and get this done.
“ACCEPT IT DUDE. YOU LOST.”… No bro. We all lost. We still face a massive threat from a region vital to our national interests and we do not have an Armed Forces large enough to fight this regional war. You think we are winning by getting out of Iraq? Think we created a situation there that promotes our interests? The Iraqi PM is calling the shots. You honestly believe that the Armed Forces of the United States has been well served,and that our national interests and security have been increased? You are high.

By: RobertUSAF

RobertUSAF — Sun, 25 Jun 2006 06:48:02 +0000

“SELL IT DUDE. WE WON.”

Now thats funny. Thanks to the raving, wacked out, BDS, America hating, moonbat crowd we won? Your pathetic side didn’t win shit, except the clowns of the year award for brilliant ideas like “redeploying” to Okinawa. Trying to draw equivalence between the two political parties is simply your last gasp at trying to convince people that you can be trusted with national security. Which you cannot, as has been demonstrated time and time again. ACCEPT IT DUDE. YOU LOST.

By: The Heretik » Blog Archive » Baghdad Standard Time

The Heretik » Blog Archive » Baghdad Standard Time — Sun, 25 Jun 2006 01:10:43 +0000

[...] A few questions: How will Bush’s “with us or against us” approach to the world fit into a country where somebody other than us calls the shot as a sovereign nation? Who will clue in White House Press Secretary Tony Snow on what is going on? Plus: Victory in sight? Rick Moran at Rightwing Nuthouse writes: How is this different than John Kerry or the Democrats asking for a â€œtimetableâ€ based on arbitrary and capricious criteria, specifically neglecting the insurgency factor? For one thing, the proposal comes from the Iraqis themselves not self-serving domestic politicians wishing to score points with our electorate. For another, no Democrat ever proposed anything that would have taken into account a ratcheting down of much of the insurgency. It never entered into any discussion on any of the resolutions offered in the Senate. The timetables would have been based solely on Iraqi capabilities not on a concomitant easing of the security situation by drawing the insurgents into politics. [...]

By: pc

pc — Sun, 25 Jun 2006 00:32:35 +0000

Rick-
“A timetable is a victory.” There is no difference between Republicans and Democrats on Iraq right now. Just rhetoric,spin, and politics… and a ton of money spent.

By: Rick Moran

Rick Moran — Sun, 25 Jun 2006 00:21:11 +0000

PC:

You are a brainless twit. How else can you explain that the link in your comment is the exact same link to the Newsweek story I have in my post? Are you totally brain dead? Can’t you read?

I don’t ban idiots. But in your case, I may make an exception

By: crosspatch

crosspatch — Sun, 25 Jun 2006 00:17:27 +0000

I continue to believe that the most important step in national reconciliation is the death of Saddam. I say this for reasons that more more cultural than anything else.

Many of the Baathist leadership have pledged their loyalty to Saddam. They cannot recognize the current government as long as Saddam lives. While it is true that his is an obviously lost cause, there is more cultural dishonor in abandoning one’s oath of loyalty than there is in resisting even one’s own tribal leadership in support of a new government. While the resistance to one’s tribal leadership in support of the government is certainly viewed with disappointment, it is understandable and accepted as a sad reality which is better than dishonoring one’s tribe by going back on one’s loyalty.

With Saddam out of the picture, leading members of the insurgency would then be free to cast their lot with their tribal leadership and come to some agreement with the government. Until that happens, many have no other choice but to continue to resist.

Step two in the healing of Iraq (after the formation of the government, which is now complete) must be the dispatch of Saddam Hussein. Until then, we are peeing into the wind.