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	<title>Comments on: IRAQ: QUIT OR COMMIT</title>
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		<title>By: Right Wing Nut House &#187; IRAQ: THE WITHDRAWAL CLOCK IS OFFICIALLY TICKING</title>
		<link>http://rightwingnuthouse.com/archives/2006/08/20/iraq-quit-or-commit/comment-page-4/#comment-348656</link>
		<dc:creator>Right Wing Nut House &#187; IRAQ: THE WITHDRAWAL CLOCK IS OFFICIALLY TICKING</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Oct 2006 20:10:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] But why bother with the rest if you&#8217;re not planning on finishing the job? It has been my contention for many months &#8211; spelled out most recently here - that if we are not going to attempt victory then it is immoral to ask our men and women to place themselves in harm&#8217;s way for some face saving solution. That&#8217;s the Kissinger Viet Nam formulation. I thought it stupid, wasteful and immoral at the time and still feel that way today. The only business government has in asking young men to die is in the cause of victory. Anything less is state sponsored murder. In a free society and even with an all volunteer army, national leaders should not use the lives of its young men to make geopolitical statements or &#8220;save face,&#8221; or prove how much suffering we can endure (as the Nixon-Kissinger logic went after they decided we couldn&#8217;t win). [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] But why bother with the rest if you&#8217;re not planning on finishing the job? It has been my contention for many months &#8211; spelled out most recently here - that if we are not going to attempt victory then it is immoral to ask our men and women to place themselves in harm&#8217;s way for some face saving solution. That&#8217;s the Kissinger Viet Nam formulation. I thought it stupid, wasteful and immoral at the time and still feel that way today. The only business government has in asking young men to die is in the cause of victory. Anything less is state sponsored murder. In a free society and even with an all volunteer army, national leaders should not use the lives of its young men to make geopolitical statements or &#8220;save face,&#8221; or prove how much suffering we can endure (as the Nixon-Kissinger logic went after they decided we couldn&#8217;t win). [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Radio Left</title>
		<link>http://rightwingnuthouse.com/archives/2006/08/20/iraq-quit-or-commit/comment-page-4/#comment-323863</link>
		<dc:creator>Radio Left</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Sep 2006 05:30:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Iraq roundup: The guess and wait policy&lt;/strong&gt;

The Blue State

 General John Abizaid says the scheduled troop reductions that were supposed to take place now will actually not end up happening until next spring at the very earliest.&#160; Of course, that's what the Administration said last time, t...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Iraq roundup: The guess and wait policy</strong></p>
<p>The Blue State</p>
<p> General John Abizaid says the scheduled troop reductions that were supposed to take place now will actually not end up happening until next spring at the very earliest.&nbsp; Of course, that&#8217;s what the Administration said last time, t&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Soccer Dad</title>
		<link>http://rightwingnuthouse.com/archives/2006/08/20/iraq-quit-or-commit/comment-page-4/#comment-312375</link>
		<dc:creator>Soccer Dad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Sep 2006 10:58:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Krauthammer: Commit&lt;/strong&gt;

A few weeks ago the winning entry of the Watcher's Council was Right Wing Nuthouse's Iraq: Quit or Commit. The argument (in a nutshell) presented was that the war in Iraq is not going well and therefore the Bush administration is obligated to do one ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Krauthammer: Commit</strong></p>
<p>A few weeks ago the winning entry of the Watcher&#8217;s Council was Right Wing Nuthouse&#8217;s Iraq: Quit or Commit. The argument (in a nutshell) presented was that the war in Iraq is not going well and therefore the Bush administration is obligated to do one &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Your Image Here</title>
		<link>http://rightwingnuthouse.com/archives/2006/08/20/iraq-quit-or-commit/comment-page-4/#comment-305628</link>
		<dc:creator>Your Image Here</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Sep 2006 10:08:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I've been hearing this idea that we need to stay in iraq 'as a staging area' for action against iran. Now let's say we do just that in early '07, here are the problems:
1. In order to have any real chance of succsessfully taking on iran would require about 90% of our forces currently in iraq now. It would be a de facto 'abandonment of iraq'.
2. That would immediatly plunge us into the worst possible situation; A 'Two-Front War' with the need to establish a rear guard to prevent our enemies BEHIND US (iraqi shias) from overrunning our offensive positions.
3. By attacking iran from within iraq our forces will be in a 'landlocked' position. With the primary means of resupply of manpower and material being by air.
4. Rick Moran ''danced around'' the other issue but I have no problem with saying it:
OUR ARMED FORCES ARE STRETCHED THIN. He noted that we are MOVING forces from areas that we have previously 'cleared' of the 'insurgency' in order to shore up our forces trying TO ESTABLISH some semblance of security in baghdad.
5. The iranians don't NEED the NYT,CNN or 'al-rueturs' to tell them what is going on in iraq. They can see (and hear from their shia iraqi allies) it for themselves...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been hearing this idea that we need to stay in iraq &#8216;as a staging area&#8217; for action against iran. Now let&#8217;s say we do just that in early &#8216;07, here are the problems:<br />
1. In order to have any real chance of succsessfully taking on iran would require about 90% of our forces currently in iraq now. It would be a de facto &#8216;abandonment of iraq&#8217;.<br />
2. That would immediatly plunge us into the worst possible situation; A &#8216;Two-Front War&#8217; with the need to establish a rear guard to prevent our enemies BEHIND US (iraqi shias) from overrunning our offensive positions.<br />
3. By attacking iran from within iraq our forces will be in a &#8216;landlocked&#8217; position. With the primary means of resupply of manpower and material being by air.<br />
4. Rick Moran &#8221;danced around&#8221; the other issue but I have no problem with saying it:<br />
OUR ARMED FORCES ARE STRETCHED THIN. He noted that we are MOVING forces from areas that we have previously &#8216;cleared&#8217; of the &#8216;insurgency&#8217; in order to shore up our forces trying TO ESTABLISH some semblance of security in baghdad.<br />
5. The iranians don&#8217;t NEED the NYT,CNN or &#8216;al-rueturs&#8217; to tell them what is going on in iraq. They can see (and hear from their shia iraqi allies) it for themselves&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: David S.</title>
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		<dc:creator>David S.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Sep 2006 02:56:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Haha, ok, ok, I just need to point out the sheer irony of tubino's post:

'You want numbers? Forget biased thinktanks. Try these:
http://leninology.blogspot.com/2006/08/latest-iraq-resistance-stats.html'

Forget BIASED thinktanks, and then in response, gives a link to LENINOLOGY, a radical revolutionary socialist (read: Communist) website who wants to discredit and overthrow the government. Thank you, tubester, for giving me the best laugh I've had in weeks!

And then he and leaflet dropper spout their typical liberal drivel like 'don't try and reason with them', with that tone of disdain that liberals carry for us 'common folk.' Honestly, screw you guys, move to China. I don't want you in our country, and neither does anyone else.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Haha, ok, ok, I just need to point out the sheer irony of tubino&#8217;s post:</p>
<p>&#8216;You want numbers? Forget biased thinktanks. Try these:<br />
<a href="http://leninology.blogspot.com/2006/08/latest-iraq-resistance-stats.html" rel="nofollow">http://leninology.blogspot.com/2006/08/latest-iraq-resistance-stats.html</a>&#8216;</p>
<p>Forget BIASED thinktanks, and then in response, gives a link to LENINOLOGY, a radical revolutionary socialist (read: Communist) website who wants to discredit and overthrow the government. Thank you, tubester, for giving me the best laugh I&#8217;ve had in weeks!</p>
<p>And then he and leaflet dropper spout their typical liberal drivel like &#8216;don&#8217;t try and reason with them&#8217;, with that tone of disdain that liberals carry for us &#8216;common folk.&#8217; Honestly, screw you guys, move to China. I don&#8217;t want you in our country, and neither does anyone else.</p>
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		<title>By: Socratic Rhythm Method</title>
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		<dc:creator>Socratic Rhythm Method</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Aug 2006 14:01:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Watcher's Council results, August 25&lt;/strong&gt;

The Watcher's Council spoke thusly last week: Iraq: Quit or Commit, Rick Moran insists: [A]s it stands now, we are at a psychological tipping point in Iraq where drastic measures are needed in order to turn the situation around and give the weak Iraqi...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Watcher&#8217;s Council results, August 25</strong></p>
<p>The Watcher&#8217;s Council spoke thusly last week: Iraq: Quit or Commit, Rick Moran insists: [A]s it stands now, we are at a psychological tipping point in Iraq where drastic measures are needed in order to turn the situation around and give the weak Iraqi&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Soccer Dad</title>
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		<dc:creator>Soccer Dad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Aug 2006 09:57:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Of the council and carnivals 08/28/06&lt;/strong&gt;

The Council has spoken. Top Council Pick - Right Wing Nuthouse's Iraq: Quit or commit in which he argues that the Bush administration hasn't been doing enough to win the war and has thus called the whole enterprise into question. He wants the adminis...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Of the council and carnivals 08/28/06</strong></p>
<p>The Council has spoken. Top Council Pick - Right Wing Nuthouse&#8217;s Iraq: Quit or commit in which he argues that the Bush administration hasn&#8217;t been doing enough to win the war and has thus called the whole enterprise into question. He wants the adminis&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Rhymes With Right</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rhymes With Right</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Aug 2006 09:48:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Watcher's Council Results&lt;/strong&gt;

The winning entries in the Watcher's Council vote for this week are Iraq: Quit or Commit by Right Wing Nut House, and Bad Faith by 3AM Magazine.&#160; Please click the link for the full results of the vote....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Watcher&#8217;s Council Results</strong></p>
<p>The winning entries in the Watcher&#8217;s Council vote for this week are Iraq: Quit or Commit by Right Wing Nut House, and Bad Faith by 3AM Magazine.&nbsp; Please click the link for the full results of the vote&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Watcher of Weasels</title>
		<link>http://rightwingnuthouse.com/archives/2006/08/20/iraq-quit-or-commit/comment-page-4/#comment-300893</link>
		<dc:creator>Watcher of Weasels</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Aug 2006 07:08:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;The Coalition of the Willing&lt;/strong&gt;

As you may or may not already be aware, members of the Watcher's Council hold a vote every week on what we consider to be the most link-worthy pieces of writing around...&#160; though I don't actually vote unless there happens...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>The Coalition of the Willing</strong></p>
<p>As you may or may not already be aware, members of the Watcher&#8217;s Council hold a vote every week on what we consider to be the most link-worthy pieces of writing around&#8230;&nbsp; though I don&#8217;t actually vote unless there happens&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: ShrinkWrapped</title>
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		<dc:creator>ShrinkWrapped</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Aug 2006 16:09:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;The Council Has Spoken:&lt;/strong&gt;

This week's winning post was by Rick Moran at Right Wing Nut House. Rick does not mention Vietnam in his post, but many of us old enough to remember would suggest that it was the attempt to fight the Vietnam</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>The Council Has Spoken:</strong></p>
<p>This week&#8217;s winning post was by Rick Moran at Right Wing Nut House. Rick does not mention Vietnam in his post, but many of us old enough to remember would suggest that it was the attempt to fight the Vietnam</p>
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