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		<title>By: Right Wing Nut House &#187; ELECTION DAY THOUGHTS</title>
		<link>http://rightwingnuthouse.com/archives/2006/08/29/save-the-electoral-college-2/comment-page-2/#comment-1697857</link>
		<dc:creator>Right Wing Nut House &#187; ELECTION DAY THOUGHTS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2008 15:05:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Eventually, states put the name of the candidate on the ballot, usually alongside that of the elector supporting him. It is an imperfect system and no doubt many Democrats wish to do away with it. But I sincerely hope they don&#8217;t if for no other reason than many of the arguments made at the Constitutional Convention in favor of the Electoral College still pass muster with me today. (I make many of those arguments here). [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Eventually, states put the name of the candidate on the ballot, usually alongside that of the elector supporting him. It is an imperfect system and no doubt many Democrats wish to do away with it. But I sincerely hope they don&#8217;t if for no other reason than many of the arguments made at the Constitutional Convention in favor of the Electoral College still pass muster with me today. (I make many of those arguments here). [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Blog It Out Your Pie Hole &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Iowa, Electoral College, and Pie Holes</title>
		<link>http://rightwingnuthouse.com/archives/2006/08/29/save-the-electoral-college-2/comment-page-2/#comment-1186048</link>
		<dc:creator>Blog It Out Your Pie Hole &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Iowa, Electoral College, and Pie Holes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jan 2008 17:14:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The entire United States Constitution was built around a system of Checks and Balances. Since &#8220;Many times, though, the electors are simply important persons whose wisdom,&#8221; it is obviously another Check and Balance built into the Constitution. People vote for someone. What if it&#8217;s the wrong person? The Electoral College checks the people. The House and Senate are Checks against the Electoral College. Even in spite of the people espousing their belief that the Electoral College is not needed, there are some who read between the lines of those who want to discard the Electoral College. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] The entire United States Constitution was built around a system of Checks and Balances. Since &#8220;Many times, though, the electors are simply important persons whose wisdom,&#8221; it is obviously another Check and Balance built into the Constitution. People vote for someone. What if it&#8217;s the wrong person? The Electoral College checks the people. The House and Senate are Checks against the Electoral College. Even in spite of the people espousing their belief that the Electoral College is not needed, there are some who read between the lines of those who want to discard the Electoral College. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Tony Andrade, California</title>
		<link>http://rightwingnuthouse.com/archives/2006/08/29/save-the-electoral-college-2/comment-page-2/#comment-309041</link>
		<dc:creator>Tony Andrade, California</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Sep 2006 18:34:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We are proposing the reform of the Electoral College in California.  Our initiative is that the presidential candidate who wins the popular vote in each Congressional District gets the Elector. The two Electors that reflect the two Senate seats would be selected by the statewide popular vote. It is called the Mundt-Cordier Plan and is now installed in Maine and Nebraska.  

The current system is that the winner of the popular vote in California takes all 55 Electors. The Los Angeles and San Francisco areas determine the Electors for the entire State. 
This is not democratic and is unfair.
Call us: 916-230-2123</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We are proposing the reform of the Electoral College in California.  Our initiative is that the presidential candidate who wins the popular vote in each Congressional District gets the Elector. The two Electors that reflect the two Senate seats would be selected by the statewide popular vote. It is called the Mundt-Cordier Plan and is now installed in Maine and Nebraska.  </p>
<p>The current system is that the winner of the popular vote in California takes all 55 Electors. The Los Angeles and San Francisco areas determine the Electors for the entire State.<br />
This is not democratic and is unfair.<br />
Call us: 916-230-2123</p>
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		<title>By: Ms. Cornelius</title>
		<link>http://rightwingnuthouse.com/archives/2006/08/29/save-the-electoral-college-2/comment-page-2/#comment-305005</link>
		<dc:creator>Ms. Cornelius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Sep 2006 22:30:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, I also don't see why a rural voter (or one from Wyoming) should count more than I do when it comes to choosing the president. Further, there are actually three states in which the EC votes are not distributed as "winner takes all,"-- and they are rather small states. But to say that democracy is best served by having presidents elected by states (as units), not individual voters is indeed a strange bit of reasoning. Furthrermore, it is certainly not unusual for candidates to be picked based upon the state that they are from under the Electoral College: in the late 19th century, the popular saying regarding presidential candidates was: "Some are born great; others are born in Ohio."

And finally, having grown up in Oklahoma, I can tell you that there are PLENTY of states who are completely ignored by the candidates now-- the Electoral College certainly makes no difference.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I also don&#8217;t see why a rural voter (or one from Wyoming) should count more than I do when it comes to choosing the president. Further, there are actually three states in which the EC votes are not distributed as &#8220;winner takes all,&#8221;&#8211; and they are rather small states. But to say that democracy is best served by having presidents elected by states (as units), not individual voters is indeed a strange bit of reasoning. Furthrermore, it is certainly not unusual for candidates to be picked based upon the state that they are from under the Electoral College: in the late 19th century, the popular saying regarding presidential candidates was: &#8220;Some are born great; others are born in Ohio.&#8221;</p>
<p>And finally, having grown up in Oklahoma, I can tell you that there are PLENTY of states who are completely ignored by the candidates now&#8211; the Electoral College certainly makes no difference.</p>
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		<title>By: Watcher of Weasels</title>
		<link>http://rightwingnuthouse.com/archives/2006/08/29/save-the-electoral-college-2/comment-page-2/#comment-304414</link>
		<dc:creator>Watcher of Weasels</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Sep 2006 07:59:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;The Council Has Spoken!&lt;/strong&gt;

First off...&#160; any spambots reading this should immediately go here, here, here,&#160; and here.&#160; Die spambots, die!&#160; And now...&#160; the winning entries in the Watcher's Council vote for this week are Empire and Apocalypse by Gates of ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>The Council Has Spoken!</strong></p>
<p>First off&#8230;&nbsp; any spambots reading this should immediately go here, here, here,&nbsp; and here.&nbsp; Die spambots, die!&nbsp; And now&#8230;&nbsp; the winning entries in the Watcher&#8217;s Council vote for this week are Empire and Apocalypse by Gates of &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Soccer Dad</title>
		<link>http://rightwingnuthouse.com/archives/2006/08/29/save-the-electoral-college-2/comment-page-2/#comment-303428</link>
		<dc:creator>Soccer Dad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Aug 2006 04:29:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Watchers of weasels 8/30/06&lt;/strong&gt;

The nominations are in. Here is a rundown of this week's Council posts ... In Cutting the Biased Some Slack, Sundries Shack notes that all journalists appear to be on the same team. It just may not be the team of freeedom and democracy. Done with Mirr...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Watchers of weasels 8/30/06</strong></p>
<p>The nominations are in. Here is a rundown of this week&#8217;s Council posts &#8230; In Cutting the Biased Some Slack, Sundries Shack notes that all journalists appear to be on the same team. It just may not be the team of freeedom and democracy. Done with Mirr&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Railroad Stone</title>
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		<dc:creator>Railroad Stone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Aug 2006 00:09:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"Saddam had compulsory voting."

He also had running water and electricity.  What's your point?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Saddam had compulsory voting.&#8221;</p>
<p>He also had running water and electricity.  What&#8217;s your point?</p>
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		<title>By: Sheila</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sheila</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Aug 2006 20:11:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To those who believe in the traditional rationale for the EC (such as we are a republic, with the president chosen by states, not people):

How about keeping the EC but scrapping the winner-take-all distribution of electoral votes? Maine and Nebraska currently award each district's one vote to the winner of that district, with the two senatorial votes going as a special reward to the statewide popular winner. It has the merit of awarding EVs with more proportionality. It's more democratic than the current system because all voters are competing to put their guy over the top in districts of equal population density. The two senatorial votes DO give extra power to rural voters, but less than they now enjoy. A flaw to this idea is the vulnerability to gerrymandering, not to mention fraud. Currently in most states the fraudsters must swing the entire state popular vote to effect the electoral vote count but in Maine and Nebraska you can steal one district and swing that one vote. In 2000 it was certainly feasible that Nader could have carried a single district in one of those states, had he wished to concentrate on it -- opening the possibility of a tie in the electoral college. But some kinds of fraud and gerrymandering would be mitigated by containing the damage to a single district. You would no longer be able to steal, say, the most populated county and then carry the state. 

The other suggestion would be proportional awarding of electoral votes. Get 20% of the of statewide vote, and walk away with 20% of the EVs. Small states still get a boost based on the two senatorial votes. 

I haven't done any of this math so I have no idea who'd benefit but that's irrelevant, right? The question behind all of this is, who should be picking the president: the states or the people? 

And most Americans have been brought up to believe that this is a democracy so would probably say the people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To those who believe in the traditional rationale for the EC (such as we are a republic, with the president chosen by states, not people):</p>
<p>How about keeping the EC but scrapping the winner-take-all distribution of electoral votes? Maine and Nebraska currently award each district&#8217;s one vote to the winner of that district, with the two senatorial votes going as a special reward to the statewide popular winner. It has the merit of awarding EVs with more proportionality. It&#8217;s more democratic than the current system because all voters are competing to put their guy over the top in districts of equal population density. The two senatorial votes DO give extra power to rural voters, but less than they now enjoy. A flaw to this idea is the vulnerability to gerrymandering, not to mention fraud. Currently in most states the fraudsters must swing the entire state popular vote to effect the electoral vote count but in Maine and Nebraska you can steal one district and swing that one vote. In 2000 it was certainly feasible that Nader could have carried a single district in one of those states, had he wished to concentrate on it &#8212; opening the possibility of a tie in the electoral college. But some kinds of fraud and gerrymandering would be mitigated by containing the damage to a single district. You would no longer be able to steal, say, the most populated county and then carry the state. </p>
<p>The other suggestion would be proportional awarding of electoral votes. Get 20% of the of statewide vote, and walk away with 20% of the EVs. Small states still get a boost based on the two senatorial votes. </p>
<p>I haven&#8217;t done any of this math so I have no idea who&#8217;d benefit but that&#8217;s irrelevant, right? The question behind all of this is, who should be picking the president: the states or the people? </p>
<p>And most Americans have been brought up to believe that this is a democracy so would probably say the people.</p>
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		<title>By: Tlaloc</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tlaloc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Aug 2006 18:27:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"Thank you, it is what we are and it takes 3/4ths of the â€œstatesâ€ to change it. While leftists may like the 5 people on the bench to change the Constitution, Bush has done an excellent job of appointing true Constitutional adherents."

So you've replaced ignoring my direct argument to simply spouting talking points.  Nice.



"You should be against the Senate. Why California has 20% of the population yet only 2% of the Senators? Even worse, California has the same power as New Hampshire to call a Constitutional convention?"

Here's what I said about the distribution of powers in post #45:
"Naturally the constitution does contain mechanisms for protection of the minority, the method of Senate apportionment being an example, and it should. But election of the Chief Exectuitve was not supposed to be one of those, nor should it. Just as the Judiciary must be insulated from the whims of the majority the Executive must be directly beholden to it (with congress inbetween)."
Was that really so hard to read and understand?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Thank you, it is what we are and it takes 3/4ths of the â€œstatesâ€ to change it. While leftists may like the 5 people on the bench to change the Constitution, Bush has done an excellent job of appointing true Constitutional adherents.&#8221;</p>
<p>So you&#8217;ve replaced ignoring my direct argument to simply spouting talking points.  Nice.</p>
<p>&#8220;You should be against the Senate. Why California has 20% of the population yet only 2% of the Senators? Even worse, California has the same power as New Hampshire to call a Constitutional convention?&#8221;</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s what I said about the distribution of powers in post #45:<br />
&#8220;Naturally the constitution does contain mechanisms for protection of the minority, the method of Senate apportionment being an example, and it should. But election of the Chief Exectuitve was not supposed to be one of those, nor should it. Just as the Judiciary must be insulated from the whims of the majority the Executive must be directly beholden to it (with congress inbetween).&#8221;<br />
Was that really so hard to read and understand?</p>
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		<title>By: Tlaloc</title>
		<link>http://rightwingnuthouse.com/archives/2006/08/29/save-the-electoral-college-2/comment-page-2/#comment-303162</link>
		<dc:creator>Tlaloc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Aug 2006 18:22:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>soccer dad:
"Iâ€™d point out in Maryland that a Democrat can win the state by winning only three out of 24 jurisdictions. If there were an electoral college like system in Maryland it would force the Democrat to seek broader appeal for his/her agenda."

Important point here- by "broader" you mean broader GEOGRAPHICALLY but not broader as in representing more people.  In fact the system means they would be representing fewer by pandering to low density areas that carry a disproportionate amount of electoral votes.  Pretty obviously that system is not optimal since it is people and not acres that vote.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>soccer dad:<br />
&#8220;Iâ€™d point out in Maryland that a Democrat can win the state by winning only three out of 24 jurisdictions. If there were an electoral college like system in Maryland it would force the Democrat to seek broader appeal for his/her agenda.&#8221;</p>
<p>Important point here- by &#8220;broader&#8221; you mean broader GEOGRAPHICALLY but not broader as in representing more people.  In fact the system means they would be representing fewer by pandering to low density areas that carry a disproportionate amount of electoral votes.  Pretty obviously that system is not optimal since it is people and not acres that vote.</p>
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