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	<title>Comments on: MUSHARRAF&#8217;S FAUSTIAN BARGAIN II: IT&#8217;S WORSE THAN WE THOUGHT</title>
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		<title>By: ProCynic</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Sep 2006 05:01:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;One step forward, two steps back&lt;/strong&gt;

W made a statement today on the treatment of detainees captured in the war on Islamofascism. He acknowledged that there were secret CIA priosons in other countries where these prisoners were probably tortured, which I don't like because we should be ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>One step forward, two steps back</strong></p>
<p>W made a statement today on the treatment of detainees captured in the war on Islamofascism. He acknowledged that there were secret CIA priosons in other countries where these prisoners were probably tortured, which I don&#8217;t like because we should be &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: wittwcl</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Sep 2006 03:11:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Disaster,
Surrender,

AQ Kahn
Osama

Pakistan is harboring the killers of 911 and the Father of the Islam Bomb and they are our
"friends".

Instead of controling Pakistan we are stuck in Iraq.  

We need a new direction.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Disaster,<br />
Surrender,</p>
<p>AQ Kahn<br />
Osama</p>
<p>Pakistan is harboring the killers of 911 and the Father of the Islam Bomb and they are our<br />
&#8220;friends&#8221;.</p>
<p>Instead of controling Pakistan we are stuck in Iraq.  </p>
<p>We need a new direction.</p>
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		<title>By: NoisyRoom.net &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Breaking: Musharraf will not allow U.S. troops in tribal areas</title>
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		<dc:creator>NoisyRoom.net &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Breaking: Musharraf will not allow U.S. troops in tribal areas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Sep 2006 22:34:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Looks like the boss and Moran are right. Itâ€™s a disaster. I guess Musharraf figures he has more to fear from AQ than from us at this point, particularly since he has nuclear leverage over any attempts at regime change. As Mark Steyn recently put it: One way to measure how the world has changed in these last five years is to consider the extraordinary address to his nation by General Musharraf on Sept. 19, 2001. Pakistan was one of just three countries in the world (along with â€œour friends the Saudisâ€ and the United Arab Emirates) to recognize the Taliban â€” and, given that the Pakistanis had helped create and maintain them, they were pretty easy to recognize. President Bush, youâ€™ll recall, had declared that youâ€™re either with us or youâ€™re with the terrorists â€” which posed a particular problem for Musharraf: He was with us but everyone else in his country was with the terrorists, including his armed forces, his intelligence services, the media, and a gazillion and one crazy imams. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Looks like the boss and Moran are right. Itâ€™s a disaster. I guess Musharraf figures he has more to fear from AQ than from us at this point, particularly since he has nuclear leverage over any attempts at regime change. As Mark Steyn recently put it: One way to measure how the world has changed in these last five years is to consider the extraordinary address to his nation by General Musharraf on Sept. 19, 2001. Pakistan was one of just three countries in the world (along with â€œour friends the Saudisâ€ and the United Arab Emirates) to recognize the Taliban â€” and, given that the Pakistanis had helped create and maintain them, they were pretty easy to recognize. President Bush, youâ€™ll recall, had declared that youâ€™re either with us or youâ€™re with the terrorists â€” which posed a particular problem for Musharraf: He was with us but everyone else in his country was with the terrorists, including his armed forces, his intelligence services, the media, and a gazillion and one crazy imams. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: DaleinAtlanta</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Sep 2006 22:28:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rick: this has ALWAYS been about Pakistan, unfortunately; from the WTC in '93, until 9/11, til now!

Pakistani Jihahdis have been hellbent on JIHAD, ever since they, successfully in their eyes, drove the British out of the Empire of India, and forced the Partition of "greater India" into India, Pakistan, and East Pakistan.

The war with "East" Pakistan, that eventually resulted in Bangladesh was a small setback, but if you've been paying attention to the successes of the Jihadis in that country over the past 5 years, not much.

Khaled Sheikh Mohammed/Ramzi Yousef gang, were all "Balouchis"; i.e. Pakistanis, who were subsumed into Al Qaeda, which was of course, really given it's impetous out of Pakistan, by the Intelligence Services, who also set up the Taliban in Afganistan.

And, as I've posted before on this/other boards; Bin Laden, when he was "unemployed" in Afghanistan after the Soviets cut and ran, went over to Kashmir for a couple of years, to kill Shi'ite in Pakistan and Kashmir for Musharraf!

In fact, Pakistan's own Name, says it all:  Pashtu-Afghanistan-Kashmir PAKistan; that's where the name comes from, they had the vision when they created the name out of India, and they've never given it up, to control not only Pakistan "proper", but also Afghanistan and all of Kashmir!

The MSM, and our own Intel services, have focused on Al Qaeda/Bin Laden/Zawahiri, because it gives us that "charismatic" evil-doer to put a face/name too; something the media loves!

It's much harder, to attach "charisma" to a Salafiyyah movement, that stretches back centuries, and has an entire population so brainwashed, they literally live in the Stoneage!  That would be most of Pakistan/Afghanistan, etc.

Wahabiyyah mullahs, from Yemen &#38; Saudi, immigrated to Pakistan centuries ago (sound familiar...??); and inter-married and reinforced local Pakistani Jihadi culture, especially the Deobandis in India/Pakistan and Afghanistan.

Doesn't matter that the Wahabiyyah are Hanbalis, and the majority of Paikistanis/Indians/Afghanis are Hanafiyyah, it's the "Pious Ancestor" movement within Islam, the Salafiyyah, that matters.

Most Pakistani leaders over the past 50 years, have thus been Deobandis, including Musharraf!

That's correct, Musharraf's family "mujahir" is the first Indian "immigrant" to be a leader of Pakistan, but his family is Deobandi Sufi from India!

Wonder how often the Islamic geniuses at the State Department tell the President about that, or even if the understand that?

Even the whole AQ Khan nuclear club, and Islamic bomb thing, is tied in!  That's why he's a national Islamic hero, and can't be touched!

Musharraf is not stupid; he signed up on the GWOT to begin with, because of intense international/US pressure, then when Bin Laden double-crossed him, by trying to assassinate him a couple of times, we had a small window to hunt Bin Laden/Al Qaeda down, and maybe, just maybe, change the culture of Pakistan.

That window has now closed; again, Musharraf is not stupid; he can read the "tea leaves".

Bush is a lame duck, the Republicans may lose control of Congress, despite NATO in Afghanistan, Europe has been/always will be a weak partner, more interested in it's own decadent civilization and paedophilic trips to SE Asia, and surrendering to it's burgeoning Islamic population, than trying to actually win the fight.

Musharraf also sees the traitorous Left in this country, turning the tide in their favor; so why should he trust us?   Better to cut a deal, and ensure his own survival, than bet on us to actually win the GWOT.

We could win it if we wanted to; Saudi, and the Wahabiyyah there, have always been a target that we could put off till tomorrow; the Gulf Oil Sheikhs, are so fat on Oil Cash, and so spoiled, all they can do is lend financial support to the Jihadis and let their poor and middle class blow themselves up; but they themselves are too busy molesting their Filipina "domestics", to take up arms themselves!

That, they've left to the Pakistanis for the past 60 years, all the way up thru KSM/Ramzi bin Yusef, AQ in Afghanistan, the Taliban, the JTI in Kashmir, and now, the Emirate of Waziristan!

Pakistan, is the country we should've been going after, since 1993; the MSM &#38; Left/Democrats have attacked Saudi, mainly because of BDS in order to make the tie between Bush/OIL/Saudi.  We can deal with them, at our leisure, done the road.

Pakistan, has been, and for right now, IS the danger!

IF we had a hair on our snargglies, we'd attack and invade the entire western half of Pakistan, and see if Musharraf COULD respond!  If he can't invade to attack them, he can't invade to help them. Since they already live in the StoneAge, carpet bombing them with B2's/B1's/B-52's wouldn't be that much of a setback.  Besides, they're too busy ordering gangrapes of their womenfolk, and genitally mutilating them, to prepare for us!

Sadly, I'm so depressed, I'm thinking of converting to Islam!

I'm fitting my three daughters and wife for Burkha's now; maybe I'll get ahead of the crush.....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rick: this has ALWAYS been about Pakistan, unfortunately; from the WTC in &#8216;93, until 9/11, til now!</p>
<p>Pakistani Jihahdis have been hellbent on JIHAD, ever since they, successfully in their eyes, drove the British out of the Empire of India, and forced the Partition of &#8220;greater India&#8221; into India, Pakistan, and East Pakistan.</p>
<p>The war with &#8220;East&#8221; Pakistan, that eventually resulted in Bangladesh was a small setback, but if you&#8217;ve been paying attention to the successes of the Jihadis in that country over the past 5 years, not much.</p>
<p>Khaled Sheikh Mohammed/Ramzi Yousef gang, were all &#8220;Balouchis&#8221;; i.e. Pakistanis, who were subsumed into Al Qaeda, which was of course, really given it&#8217;s impetous out of Pakistan, by the Intelligence Services, who also set up the Taliban in Afganistan.</p>
<p>And, as I&#8217;ve posted before on this/other boards; Bin Laden, when he was &#8220;unemployed&#8221; in Afghanistan after the Soviets cut and ran, went over to Kashmir for a couple of years, to kill Shi&#8217;ite in Pakistan and Kashmir for Musharraf!</p>
<p>In fact, Pakistan&#8217;s own Name, says it all:  Pashtu-Afghanistan-Kashmir PAKistan; that&#8217;s where the name comes from, they had the vision when they created the name out of India, and they&#8217;ve never given it up, to control not only Pakistan &#8220;proper&#8221;, but also Afghanistan and all of Kashmir!</p>
<p>The MSM, and our own Intel services, have focused on Al Qaeda/Bin Laden/Zawahiri, because it gives us that &#8220;charismatic&#8221; evil-doer to put a face/name too; something the media loves!</p>
<p>It&#8217;s much harder, to attach &#8220;charisma&#8221; to a Salafiyyah movement, that stretches back centuries, and has an entire population so brainwashed, they literally live in the Stoneage!  That would be most of Pakistan/Afghanistan, etc.</p>
<p>Wahabiyyah mullahs, from Yemen &amp; Saudi, immigrated to Pakistan centuries ago (sound familiar&#8230;??); and inter-married and reinforced local Pakistani Jihadi culture, especially the Deobandis in India/Pakistan and Afghanistan.</p>
<p>Doesn&#8217;t matter that the Wahabiyyah are Hanbalis, and the majority of Paikistanis/Indians/Afghanis are Hanafiyyah, it&#8217;s the &#8220;Pious Ancestor&#8221; movement within Islam, the Salafiyyah, that matters.</p>
<p>Most Pakistani leaders over the past 50 years, have thus been Deobandis, including Musharraf!</p>
<p>That&#8217;s correct, Musharraf&#8217;s family &#8220;mujahir&#8221; is the first Indian &#8220;immigrant&#8221; to be a leader of Pakistan, but his family is Deobandi Sufi from India!</p>
<p>Wonder how often the Islamic geniuses at the State Department tell the President about that, or even if the understand that?</p>
<p>Even the whole AQ Khan nuclear club, and Islamic bomb thing, is tied in!  That&#8217;s why he&#8217;s a national Islamic hero, and can&#8217;t be touched!</p>
<p>Musharraf is not stupid; he signed up on the GWOT to begin with, because of intense international/US pressure, then when Bin Laden double-crossed him, by trying to assassinate him a couple of times, we had a small window to hunt Bin Laden/Al Qaeda down, and maybe, just maybe, change the culture of Pakistan.</p>
<p>That window has now closed; again, Musharraf is not stupid; he can read the &#8220;tea leaves&#8221;.</p>
<p>Bush is a lame duck, the Republicans may lose control of Congress, despite NATO in Afghanistan, Europe has been/always will be a weak partner, more interested in it&#8217;s own decadent civilization and paedophilic trips to SE Asia, and surrendering to it&#8217;s burgeoning Islamic population, than trying to actually win the fight.</p>
<p>Musharraf also sees the traitorous Left in this country, turning the tide in their favor; so why should he trust us?   Better to cut a deal, and ensure his own survival, than bet on us to actually win the GWOT.</p>
<p>We could win it if we wanted to; Saudi, and the Wahabiyyah there, have always been a target that we could put off till tomorrow; the Gulf Oil Sheikhs, are so fat on Oil Cash, and so spoiled, all they can do is lend financial support to the Jihadis and let their poor and middle class blow themselves up; but they themselves are too busy molesting their Filipina &#8220;domestics&#8221;, to take up arms themselves!</p>
<p>That, they&#8217;ve left to the Pakistanis for the past 60 years, all the way up thru KSM/Ramzi bin Yusef, AQ in Afghanistan, the Taliban, the JTI in Kashmir, and now, the Emirate of Waziristan!</p>
<p>Pakistan, is the country we should&#8217;ve been going after, since 1993; the MSM &amp; Left/Democrats have attacked Saudi, mainly because of BDS in order to make the tie between Bush/OIL/Saudi.  We can deal with them, at our leisure, done the road.</p>
<p>Pakistan, has been, and for right now, IS the danger!</p>
<p>IF we had a hair on our snargglies, we&#8217;d attack and invade the entire western half of Pakistan, and see if Musharraf COULD respond!  If he can&#8217;t invade to attack them, he can&#8217;t invade to help them. Since they already live in the StoneAge, carpet bombing them with B2&#8217;s/B1&#8217;s/B-52&#8217;s wouldn&#8217;t be that much of a setback.  Besides, they&#8217;re too busy ordering gangrapes of their womenfolk, and genitally mutilating them, to prepare for us!</p>
<p>Sadly, I&#8217;m so depressed, I&#8217;m thinking of converting to Islam!</p>
<p>I&#8217;m fitting my three daughters and wife for Burkha&#8217;s now; maybe I&#8217;ll get ahead of the crush&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: The Polarizer</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Polarizer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Sep 2006 22:12:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This statement by the Pakistan Government is important.

http://www.embassyofpakistan.org/news225.php

I don't think the spin by reporters matches the reality</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This statement by the Pakistan Government is important.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.embassyofpakistan.org/news225.php" rel="nofollow">http://www.embassyofpakistan.org/news225.php</a></p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think the spin by reporters matches the reality</p>
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		<title>By: The Polarizer</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Polarizer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Sep 2006 22:08:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think everyone is taking the wrong spin. The Pakistani Government have been making deals left, right and centre since 2001. 
These sort of deals are not new.
This is a complex deal to stop tribal groups from fighting Pakistan Government troops, releasing both groups to concentrate on the war againsy Al-Qaeda.
( Remember the $25 M reward? )
I believe this is wise move that narrows the focus on Osama Bin Laden.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think everyone is taking the wrong spin. The Pakistani Government have been making deals left, right and centre since 2001.<br />
These sort of deals are not new.<br />
This is a complex deal to stop tribal groups from fighting Pakistan Government troops, releasing both groups to concentrate on the war againsy Al-Qaeda.<br />
( Remember the $25 M reward? )<br />
I believe this is wise move that narrows the focus on Osama Bin Laden.</p>
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		<title>By: Flopping Aces &#187; Blog Archive &#187; A Surrender Or Not</title>
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		<dc:creator>Flopping Aces &#187; Blog Archive &#187; A Surrender Or Not</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Sep 2006 16:53:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Rick Moran is pessimistic that we can take of them: If 80,000 Pakistani troops couldnâ€™t deal with al-Qaeda and the Taliban in the province then there is little that NATO could do unless there was a massive increase in the allianceâ€™s commitment to the fight. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Rick Moran is pessimistic that we can take of them: If 80,000 Pakistani troops couldnâ€™t deal with al-Qaeda and the Taliban in the province then there is little that NATO could do unless there was a massive increase in the allianceâ€™s commitment to the fight. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Hot Air &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Breaking: Musharraf will not allow U.S. troops in tribal areas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hot Air &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Breaking: Musharraf will not allow U.S. troops in tribal areas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Sep 2006 16:34:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Looks like the boss and Moran are right. It&#8217;s a disaster. I guess Musharraf figures he has more to fear from AQ than from us at this point, particularly since he has nuclear leverage over any attempts at regime change. As Mark Steyn recently put it: One way to measure how the world has changed in these last five years is to consider the extraordinary address to his nation by General Musharraf on Sept. 19, 2001. Pakistan was one of just three countries in the world (along with &#8220;our friends the Saudis&#8221; and the United Arab Emirates) to recognize the Taliban &#8212; and, given that the Pakistanis had helped create and maintain them, they were pretty easy to recognize. President Bush, you&#8217;ll recall, had declared that you&#8217;re either with us or you&#8217;re with the terrorists &#8212; which posed a particular problem for Musharraf: He was with us but everyone else in his country was with the terrorists, including his armed forces, his intelligence services, the media, and a gazillion and one crazy imams. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Looks like the boss and Moran are right. It&#8217;s a disaster. I guess Musharraf figures he has more to fear from AQ than from us at this point, particularly since he has nuclear leverage over any attempts at regime change. As Mark Steyn recently put it: One way to measure how the world has changed in these last five years is to consider the extraordinary address to his nation by General Musharraf on Sept. 19, 2001. Pakistan was one of just three countries in the world (along with &#8220;our friends the Saudis&#8221; and the United Arab Emirates) to recognize the Taliban &#8212; and, given that the Pakistanis had helped create and maintain them, they were pretty easy to recognize. President Bush, you&#8217;ll recall, had declared that you&#8217;re either with us or you&#8217;re with the terrorists &#8212; which posed a particular problem for Musharraf: He was with us but everyone else in his country was with the terrorists, including his armed forces, his intelligence services, the media, and a gazillion and one crazy imams. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: B.Poster</title>
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		<dc:creator>B.Poster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Sep 2006 16:03:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lately we have had a number of huge set backs.  Both the US and its allies seem to be losing huge ground.  if we are unwilling to take decisive action to defeat Islamic extrenusts and their Communist allies, perhaps it is time to redeploy to fortress America and make our stand here.  Better border security would be a good idea any way but if we keep losing ground like this we may soon have no other option.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lately we have had a number of huge set backs.  Both the US and its allies seem to be losing huge ground.  if we are unwilling to take decisive action to defeat Islamic extrenusts and their Communist allies, perhaps it is time to redeploy to fortress America and make our stand here.  Better border security would be a good idea any way but if we keep losing ground like this we may soon have no other option.</p>
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