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		<title>By: Susan</title>
		<link>http://rightwingnuthouse.com/archives/2006/09/23/does-confronting-terrorism-make-it-worse/comment-page-1/#comment-329062</link>
		<dc:creator>Susan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Sep 2006 20:29:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually the Director of National Intelligence says, and I quote:
 "Although the NIE on Global Terrorism is still a classified document, I and other senior intelligence officials have spoken publicly, and in a way consistent with the NIEâ€™s comprehensive assessment, about the challenges and successes we have had in the Global War on Terror. What we have said, time and again, is that while there is much that remains to be done in the war on terror, we have achieved some notable successes against the global jihadist threat."


It seems the Times recieved leaked information, then twisted it a little bit, then added a few lies, then fed it to other media outlets... or as the Director put it, "distorted" the information.

Going to post his whole statement here, because it directly contradicts what the Times wrote. (Don't worry, it isn't long)

 Statement by the Director of National Intelligence
OFFICE OF THE DIRECTOR OF NATIONAL INTELLIGENCE
PUBLIC AFFAIRS OFFICE
WASHINGTON, D.C.
20511
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
SEPTEMBER 24, 2006

Statement by the Director of National Intelligence, John D. Negroponte, in response to news reports about the National Intelligence Estimate on Trends in Global Terrorism

    "A National Intelligence Estimate is a comprehensive assessment comprised of a series of judgments which are based on the best intelligence our government develops. Characterizing only a small handful of those judgments distorts the broad strategic framework the NIE is assessing . in this case, trends in global terrorism.

    "Although the NIE on Global Terrorism is still a classified document, I and other senior intelligence officials have spoken publicly, and in a way consistent with the NIEâ€™s comprehensive assessment, about the challenges and successes we have had in the Global War on Terror. What we have said, time and again, is that while there is much that remains to be done in the war on terror, we have achieved some notable successes against the global jihadist threat.

    "We have eliminated much of the leadership that presided over al Qaeda -- our top global terror concern . in 2001, and U.S.-led counterterrorism efforts continued to disrupt its operations, remove its leaders and deplete its cadre. The Estimate highlights the importance of the outcome in Iraq on the future of global jihadism, judging that should the Iraqi people prevail in establishing a stable political
    and security environment, the jihadists will be perceived to have failed and fewer jihadists will leave Iraq determined to carry on the fight elsewhere.

    "Those statements do nothing to undermine the assessment that we have an enormous and constantly mutating struggle before us in the long war on terror. They simply demonstrate that the conclusions of the Intelligence Community are designed to be comprehensive and viewing them through the narrow prism of a fraction of judgments distorts the broad framework they create." 

Feel free to let me know if you want the address to the original pdf file release.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually the Director of National Intelligence says, and I quote:<br />
 &#8220;Although the NIE on Global Terrorism is still a classified document, I and other senior intelligence officials have spoken publicly, and in a way consistent with the NIEâ€™s comprehensive assessment, about the challenges and successes we have had in the Global War on Terror. What we have said, time and again, is that while there is much that remains to be done in the war on terror, we have achieved some notable successes against the global jihadist threat.&#8221;</p>
<p>It seems the Times recieved leaked information, then twisted it a little bit, then added a few lies, then fed it to other media outlets&#8230; or as the Director put it, &#8220;distorted&#8221; the information.</p>
<p>Going to post his whole statement here, because it directly contradicts what the Times wrote. (Don&#8217;t worry, it isn&#8217;t long)</p>
<p> Statement by the Director of National Intelligence<br />
OFFICE OF THE DIRECTOR OF NATIONAL INTELLIGENCE<br />
PUBLIC AFFAIRS OFFICE<br />
WASHINGTON, D.C.<br />
20511<br />
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE<br />
SEPTEMBER 24, 2006</p>
<p>Statement by the Director of National Intelligence, John D. Negroponte, in response to news reports about the National Intelligence Estimate on Trends in Global Terrorism</p>
<p>    &#8220;A National Intelligence Estimate is a comprehensive assessment comprised of a series of judgments which are based on the best intelligence our government develops. Characterizing only a small handful of those judgments distorts the broad strategic framework the NIE is assessing . in this case, trends in global terrorism.</p>
<p>    &#8220;Although the NIE on Global Terrorism is still a classified document, I and other senior intelligence officials have spoken publicly, and in a way consistent with the NIEâ€™s comprehensive assessment, about the challenges and successes we have had in the Global War on Terror. What we have said, time and again, is that while there is much that remains to be done in the war on terror, we have achieved some notable successes against the global jihadist threat.</p>
<p>    &#8220;We have eliminated much of the leadership that presided over al Qaeda &#8212; our top global terror concern . in 2001, and U.S.-led counterterrorism efforts continued to disrupt its operations, remove its leaders and deplete its cadre. The Estimate highlights the importance of the outcome in Iraq on the future of global jihadism, judging that should the Iraqi people prevail in establishing a stable political<br />
    and security environment, the jihadists will be perceived to have failed and fewer jihadists will leave Iraq determined to carry on the fight elsewhere.</p>
<p>    &#8220;Those statements do nothing to undermine the assessment that we have an enormous and constantly mutating struggle before us in the long war on terror. They simply demonstrate that the conclusions of the Intelligence Community are designed to be comprehensive and viewing them through the narrow prism of a fraction of judgments distorts the broad framework they create.&#8221; </p>
<p>Feel free to let me know if you want the address to the original pdf file release.</p>
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		<title>By: steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Sep 2006 18:52:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You have created a straw man.  There are plenty of people who supported the war in Afghanistan and even wanted to do more there but thought the war in Iraq would have a negative effect on us overall.  There is no question here of root causes, and unless I am mistaken, we had the power to veto a lifting of the UN sanctions on Saddam.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You have created a straw man.  There are plenty of people who supported the war in Afghanistan and even wanted to do more there but thought the war in Iraq would have a negative effect on us overall.  There is no question here of root causes, and unless I am mistaken, we had the power to veto a lifting of the UN sanctions on Saddam.</p>
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		<title>By: Iraq War Hurting U.S. Terror Fight? at politburo diktat 2.0</title>
		<link>http://rightwingnuthouse.com/archives/2006/09/23/does-confronting-terrorism-make-it-worse/comment-page-1/#comment-328679</link>
		<dc:creator>Iraq War Hurting U.S. Terror Fight? at politburo diktat 2.0</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Sep 2006 13:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] My friend Rick Moran responds to the NIE report as follows, emphasizing the futility of trying to address the so-called root causes:  I am resisting the implications that some would draw from it; that if only we had not confronted the jihadists or worked to solve the root causes of terrorism, none of this would be true today. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] My friend Rick Moran responds to the NIE report as follows, emphasizing the futility of trying to address the so-called root causes:  I am resisting the implications that some would draw from it; that if only we had not confronted the jihadists or worked to solve the root causes of terrorism, none of this would be true today. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Quilly Mammoth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Quilly Mammoth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Sep 2006 04:49:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why history, Otto?

In 1861 Winfield Scott proposed a strategy for defeating the South.  Essentially the plan involved blockading the South and cutting it in half by controlling the Mississippi.  Scott, who was Lincolnâ€™s General-in-Chief thought that such a technique would spare many lives.  However, Major General George McClellan sent a letter directly to Lincoln which called for a more aggressive approach.  McClellan also received a letter from Scott detailing the plan.

Portions of that letter were â€œleakedâ€ to the papers.  A cartoon was published that showed an Anaconda squeezing the South.  Hence itâ€™s popular name, and much ridicule.  A direct invasion was thus forced, by the perception of popular demand, on Lincoln.  (And just as Scott forecast they were not successful.)

It was done for McClellanâ€™s personal political ambition.  In the end Scottâ€™s was essentially the strategy that the North used to defeat the South.  Forewarned, the campaign to win the Mississippi was far more difficult than  it should have been.  Forewarned, the largely undeveloped South began an aggressive program of decentralized, domestic munitions manufacture.  Which, alng with other reasons, forced generals such as Grant and Sherman to pursue a scorched earth program.

Athens should have defeated Sparta, for many reasons.  But Athens continually purged its military leaders because differing political factions used the war for their own profit. Not to mention that  Pericles' vision of a stalemated Sparta had been fulfilled. The plague then decimated Athens and the â€œstalematedâ€ Sparta eventually pulled down Athensâ€™ walls.

The point here is that history is important in the same way that we learn that touching a flame burns.  Two very different examples of Containment, but the common thread is the danger that democracies have when its political figures use war for their own personal gain.

PS: Victor Davis Hanson has a great book on the Ionic war called "A War Like No Other: How the Athenians and Spartans Fought the Peloponnesian War".  The parallels with todayâ€™s war are amazing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why history, Otto?</p>
<p>In 1861 Winfield Scott proposed a strategy for defeating the South.  Essentially the plan involved blockading the South and cutting it in half by controlling the Mississippi.  Scott, who was Lincolnâ€™s General-in-Chief thought that such a technique would spare many lives.  However, Major General George McClellan sent a letter directly to Lincoln which called for a more aggressive approach.  McClellan also received a letter from Scott detailing the plan.</p>
<p>Portions of that letter were â€œleakedâ€ to the papers.  A cartoon was published that showed an Anaconda squeezing the South.  Hence itâ€™s popular name, and much ridicule.  A direct invasion was thus forced, by the perception of popular demand, on Lincoln.  (And just as Scott forecast they were not successful.)</p>
<p>It was done for McClellanâ€™s personal political ambition.  In the end Scottâ€™s was essentially the strategy that the North used to defeat the South.  Forewarned, the campaign to win the Mississippi was far more difficult than  it should have been.  Forewarned, the largely undeveloped South began an aggressive program of decentralized, domestic munitions manufacture.  Which, alng with other reasons, forced generals such as Grant and Sherman to pursue a scorched earth program.</p>
<p>Athens should have defeated Sparta, for many reasons.  But Athens continually purged its military leaders because differing political factions used the war for their own profit. Not to mention that  Pericles&#8217; vision of a stalemated Sparta had been fulfilled. The plague then decimated Athens and the â€œstalematedâ€ Sparta eventually pulled down Athensâ€™ walls.</p>
<p>The point here is that history is important in the same way that we learn that touching a flame burns.  Two very different examples of Containment, but the common thread is the danger that democracies have when its political figures use war for their own personal gain.</p>
<p>PS: Victor Davis Hanson has a great book on the Ionic war called &#8220;A War Like No Other: How the Athenians and Spartans Fought the Peloponnesian War&#8221;.  The parallels with todayâ€™s war are amazing.</p>
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		<title>By: Neo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Neo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Sep 2006 03:20:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So why was terrorism going from 1993 to 2000 when Clinton was "trying but failing" ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So why was terrorism going from 1993 to 2000 when Clinton was &#8220;trying but failing&#8221; ?</p>
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		<title>By: Right Voices &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Are We To Blame For All The Terrorists?</title>
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		<dc:creator>Right Voices &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Are We To Blame For All The Terrorists?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Sep 2006 01:26:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Rick Moran has an interesting take Despite the NIEâ€™s conclusions, it should be noted that it is not saying specifically that we should not have invaded Iraq. What it is saying should make us think long and hard about the disadvantages of confronting the terrorism beast without preparing for the fallout. I think even if we had been able to look into the future 3 years ago and have seen this report, the stark choices facing the Administration would have been exactly the same. It may be triumphalism for some to be able to point to the NIE as proof that things would have been different if we had not invaded Iraq. But that doesnâ€™t change what conditions were like in 2003 and what was on the horizon if we did nothing. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Rick Moran has an interesting take Despite the NIEâ€™s conclusions, it should be noted that it is not saying specifically that we should not have invaded Iraq. What it is saying should make us think long and hard about the disadvantages of confronting the terrorism beast without preparing for the fallout. I think even if we had been able to look into the future 3 years ago and have seen this report, the stark choices facing the Administration would have been exactly the same. It may be triumphalism for some to be able to point to the NIE as proof that things would have been different if we had not invaded Iraq. But that doesnâ€™t change what conditions were like in 2003 and what was on the horizon if we did nothing. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: tet-vet68</title>
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		<dc:creator>tet-vet68</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Sep 2006 01:06:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great topic and analysis.  This is the type of post that has always attracted me to your blog:
well thought out and thought provoking.  For what theyâ€™re worth â€“ here are some of my thoughts on these issues:

INTELLIGENCE EQUALS ????

I have always personally believed that the primary reason that we went into Iraq was to SECURE THE OIL.
WMDs, overthrowing a dictator and trying to establish a democracy and strategic location (between Iran and the rest of the Middle East)  were important, but secondary.  Iâ€™ve never been sure of what role the â€œIntelligence Communityâ€ actually played in the decision to invade Iraq.  Either the intelligence community â€“ at the time â€“ was a total failure, or the intelligence was intentionally manipulated to justify the invasion.  I now tend to believe the latter. It follows, therefore, that ANY Intelligence Assessments, no matter which â€œgovernment officials and outside expertsâ€  participated, must be taken with several grains of salt.  Who knows what anybodyâ€™s agenda really is??? For me personally â€“ and I consider myself as an independent thinker â€“ the overriding  question at the time was: â€œWhy wasnâ€™t Saddam Hussein â€“ despite twelve years of sanctions and threats â€“ allowing inspectors to verify what he did or did not have in terms of weapons.  Logic said â€œwhere thereâ€™s smoke â€“ there must be fireâ€  That proved to be WRONG!  I now believe that there were NO WMDS and NO CONNECTIONS with Al Queda.  Of course, â€œno one can guarantee that Saddam never would have established operational ties with al-Qaeda?, but I do not believe that this would have happened. After 40+ years of total and complete control in Iraq,  why would Saddam have wanted to enter into an alliance with Al Queda â€“ or anyone else for that matter???  What did he have to gain??  Rather, Saddam was just being a defiant pain in the ass.  Agreed he was a nasty SOB, but he was also his own man and a perfect counter point to Iran.

 â€œâ€One can argue that the timing was wrong in confronting Iraq. But as something we eventually would have been forced into doing as a result of a general conflict with terror and terror states, it is very difficult to see how we could have avoided itâ€. I totally agree with this assessment.

Of course, hindsight is always 20-20, but I do now believe that in fact we did have Saddam â€œin a boxâ€, and he would have stayed that way for as long as he remained in power.  After he was out of power is a different story. If Qusay would have replaced him, I believe the status quo would have continued.  Uday would have been another story.  He was a psychopath, and I believe that with him in power operational ties with Al Queda or other terrorist organizations would have been a given. So I do believe it was just a matter of time before we would have had to go into Iraq. 

â€œIraq War creates more terrorists and terrorismâ€
â€œThe estimate concludes that the radical Islamic movement has expanded from a core of Qaeda operatives and affiliated groups to include a new class of â€œself-generatingâ€ cells inspired by Al Qaedaâ€™s leadership but without any direct connection to Osama bin Laden or his top lieutenants.â€

I believe the above statements to be true. There is no doubt that Osama bin Laden and Al Queda were HELPED by our invasion of Iraq. Bin Laden had hoped to draw us into an extended war in Afganistan (as he did with the Soviets) but he failed. Our actions in Afganistan â€“ while being a no brainer â€“ were swift and decisive.  This was a big failure for Bin Laden.
He and his ideology were also â€œin a boxâ€, with no cause to champion. But everything changed â€“ and he got exactly what he had hoped for in Afganistan â€“ when we invaded Iraq and got caught up in the long, protracted war.  And the worst part is he didnâ€™t have to do anything â€“ we handed this to him on a silver platter.  MOST IMPORTANTLY, the promotion of the IDEOLOGY of groups like Al Queda were helped enormously because of our invasion â€“ and subsequent failures in Iraq.  This is what I believe to be the main reason why these independent cells have grown throughout the world.  The more DRAMA that we create, the more drama will be created in return. Which leads me to my next point:  

DRAMA, ATTENTION &#38; MANIPULATION:

Dealing with leaders of terrorist groups and their blind followers is very much like dealing with my 17 year old daughter.  
This is why:  She was diagnosed at age 7 with ADHD, which has now progressed to ADHD with mood disorder.
Everything that affects her life â€“ no matter how small â€“ is always blown greatly out of proportion.  She thrives on DRAMA, because drama will get her attention that she craves. If this doesnâ€™t happen quickly enough, she DEMANDS attention.  Once the drama has been created, and the acting-out behavior has escalated to a fever pitch, comes the MANIPULATION.  She will typically say something like: â€œIf I calm down and stop acting-out , what do I get?  whatâ€™s in it for me? what will YOU do differently???  So how do my wife and I deal with these issues on a daily basis???  The textbooks â€“ and we have read many â€“ are uniform in recommending the correct approach: DOWNPLAY everything as much as possible, BE CONSISTENT, BE FIRM and BE IN AGREEMENT.  If we do not follow this advice, our daughter will drive a wedge right through us every time.  Bin Laden, Ahmadinejad, Nasrallah, Chavez, they all have this in common. They require DRAMA and ATTENTION to thrive, and we give them plenty of it. 
So how have we applied these concepts in Iraq???
DRAMA â€“ weâ€™ve had 3+ years of it - all bad â€“ and it continues.
CONSISTENCY???  FIRMNESS???  AGREEMENT???  Draw your own conclusionsâ€¦â€¦.  


RESPECT EQUALS FEAR

I remember seeing Benjamin Netanyahu interviewed during the first week or two of Operation Iraqi Freedom.
The question was about why terrorist groups and their leaders do not respect us.  His response was very clear:
THEY WILL ONLY RESPECT YOU WHEN THEY FEAR YOU.  But how is this accomplished???
Anyone would have to admit that the Israeliâ€™s have been very successful in targeting their enemies for assassination.  Why donâ€™t we form a clandestine group that we can call â€œAMITEFâ€, ( All Muslim Islamic Terrorist Elimination Force). 
This would be a highly trained and highly paid â€œMuslim Onlyâ€ group, who believed â€“ as I do â€“ that the ideology, hatred and activities of the Muslim Extremist Groups will eventually have dire consequences for all Muslims around the world, and that they are truly helping all fellow Muslims by eliminating these elements.  Letâ€™s do a little â€œinfiltratingâ€ of our own.  This force could work both within the USA (like the FBI) and outside of the USA (like the â€œoldâ€ CIA).  In other words,  DOWNPLAY the rhetoric and the military force,  and operate like the Stealth Bomber â€“ quiet, lethal and under the radar.  

WHAT DO WE NOW DO IN IRAQ

One of the commenters to your post said, 
â€œLook at Iraq NOW, it is indeed a failed state and I donâ€™t see anything we can do to change that fact. The massive input of troops and material that would be needed to FORCE stabilization of Iraq are simply not available to us. We simply donâ€™t have those resources to â€˜â€™commitâ€™â€™ to that taskâ€.

I agree with his assessment. If the #1 reason that we went into Iraq was for the OIL â€“ as I believe it was, letâ€™s now make our #1 PRIORITY to SECURE THE OIL FIELDS. (which we are in effect doing already), and start to withdraw our troops.
Why donâ€™t we put some pressure on the current Iraqi government to work out a â€œbusiness dealâ€  re the oil fields??
The agreement could go something like this:
1.	The United States military would provide 100% security for ONLY the Oil Fields throughout the country.
2.	The United States would provide technology, equipment, maintenance and training to maximize the oil production.
3.	ALL PROFITS from oil sales â€“ which would be substantial -  would go to the Iraqi government to use as they wished: to rebuild their country, pay decent wages to their police and army, etc. â€“ with the United States paid only an agreed upon percentage (in oil and/or dollars) for the security, technology, equipment, management of and training at the oil fields. 
4.	This agreement would remain in effect ONLY if a coalition government remained in power in Iraq.  If the coalition government were to collapse â€“ no one in Iraq but the US would have access to the oil. Kind of a political blackmail for the betterment of Iraq.  When we were satisfied that Iraq had a stabilized government and stabilized security forces, we would withdraw completely. If the best that we can do for the Iraqis at this point is to â€œhelp them to help themselvesâ€, then so be it.
â€œIndicators of the Spread of the Global Jihadist Movement,â€ cites the Iraq war as a reason for the diffusion of jihad ideology. The report â€œsays that the Iraq war has made the overall terrorism problem worse.â€â€ 
â€œIf only we had not confronted the jihadists or worked to solve the root causes of terrorism, none of this would be true today.â€
â€œI totally reject that notion. In fact, I believe it delusional thinking to say that weâ€™d be any safer if we hadnâ€™t invaded Iraq or if we had just lobbed a few cruise missiles at Osama Bin Laden following 9/11, or even if we had put enormous pressure on Israel to come to an agreement with the Palestinians. All of this ignores the one overarching truth about the nature of our enemies (and their tens of millions of supporters around the world); what they seek, we cannot give them.â€
In summary, I agree with all of these statements.  The die had been cast long before 9/11, when the colonial powers withdrew from the Middle East, left a vacuum, and opened up a free-for-all for who ever had â€œthe biggest stickâ€. There is no going back. With or without our invasion of Iraq, NOTHING WOULD HAVE BEEN DIFFERENT with regard to the Israel â€“ Hamas â€“ Hezbollah situations, NOR WOULD ANYTHING HAVE BEEN DIFFERENT with regard to the spread of the Global Jihadist Movement and  the diffusion of jihad ideology. And as long as there is DRAMA, LACK OF CONSISTENCY, LACK OF FIRMNESS and LACK OF AGREEMENT in dealing with these movements, nothing will change.  The War in Iraq â€“ which has encapsulated all of the above â€“ has only sped up the inevitable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great topic and analysis.  This is the type of post that has always attracted me to your blog:<br />
well thought out and thought provoking.  For what theyâ€™re worth â€“ here are some of my thoughts on these issues:</p>
<p>INTELLIGENCE EQUALS ????</p>
<p>I have always personally believed that the primary reason that we went into Iraq was to SECURE THE OIL.<br />
WMDs, overthrowing a dictator and trying to establish a democracy and strategic location (between Iran and the rest of the Middle East)  were important, but secondary.  Iâ€™ve never been sure of what role the â€œIntelligence Communityâ€ actually played in the decision to invade Iraq.  Either the intelligence community â€“ at the time â€“ was a total failure, or the intelligence was intentionally manipulated to justify the invasion.  I now tend to believe the latter. It follows, therefore, that ANY Intelligence Assessments, no matter which â€œgovernment officials and outside expertsâ€  participated, must be taken with several grains of salt.  Who knows what anybodyâ€™s agenda really is??? For me personally â€“ and I consider myself as an independent thinker â€“ the overriding  question at the time was: â€œWhy wasnâ€™t Saddam Hussein â€“ despite twelve years of sanctions and threats â€“ allowing inspectors to verify what he did or did not have in terms of weapons.  Logic said â€œwhere thereâ€™s smoke â€“ there must be fireâ€  That proved to be WRONG!  I now believe that there were NO WMDS and NO CONNECTIONS with Al Queda.  Of course, â€œno one can guarantee that Saddam never would have established operational ties with al-Qaeda?, but I do not believe that this would have happened. After 40+ years of total and complete control in Iraq,  why would Saddam have wanted to enter into an alliance with Al Queda â€“ or anyone else for that matter???  What did he have to gain??  Rather, Saddam was just being a defiant pain in the ass.  Agreed he was a nasty SOB, but he was also his own man and a perfect counter point to Iran.</p>
<p> â€œâ€One can argue that the timing was wrong in confronting Iraq. But as something we eventually would have been forced into doing as a result of a general conflict with terror and terror states, it is very difficult to see how we could have avoided itâ€. I totally agree with this assessment.</p>
<p>Of course, hindsight is always 20-20, but I do now believe that in fact we did have Saddam â€œin a boxâ€, and he would have stayed that way for as long as he remained in power.  After he was out of power is a different story. If Qusay would have replaced him, I believe the status quo would have continued.  Uday would have been another story.  He was a psychopath, and I believe that with him in power operational ties with Al Queda or other terrorist organizations would have been a given. So I do believe it was just a matter of time before we would have had to go into Iraq. </p>
<p>â€œIraq War creates more terrorists and terrorismâ€<br />
â€œThe estimate concludes that the radical Islamic movement has expanded from a core of Qaeda operatives and affiliated groups to include a new class of â€œself-generatingâ€ cells inspired by Al Qaedaâ€™s leadership but without any direct connection to Osama bin Laden or his top lieutenants.â€</p>
<p>I believe the above statements to be true. There is no doubt that Osama bin Laden and Al Queda were HELPED by our invasion of Iraq. Bin Laden had hoped to draw us into an extended war in Afganistan (as he did with the Soviets) but he failed. Our actions in Afganistan â€“ while being a no brainer â€“ were swift and decisive.  This was a big failure for Bin Laden.<br />
He and his ideology were also â€œin a boxâ€, with no cause to champion. But everything changed â€“ and he got exactly what he had hoped for in Afganistan â€“ when we invaded Iraq and got caught up in the long, protracted war.  And the worst part is he didnâ€™t have to do anything â€“ we handed this to him on a silver platter.  MOST IMPORTANTLY, the promotion of the IDEOLOGY of groups like Al Queda were helped enormously because of our invasion â€“ and subsequent failures in Iraq.  This is what I believe to be the main reason why these independent cells have grown throughout the world.  The more DRAMA that we create, the more drama will be created in return. Which leads me to my next point:  </p>
<p>DRAMA, ATTENTION &amp; MANIPULATION:</p>
<p>Dealing with leaders of terrorist groups and their blind followers is very much like dealing with my 17 year old daughter.<br />
This is why:  She was diagnosed at age 7 with ADHD, which has now progressed to ADHD with mood disorder.<br />
Everything that affects her life â€“ no matter how small â€“ is always blown greatly out of proportion.  She thrives on DRAMA, because drama will get her attention that she craves. If this doesnâ€™t happen quickly enough, she DEMANDS attention.  Once the drama has been created, and the acting-out behavior has escalated to a fever pitch, comes the MANIPULATION.  She will typically say something like: â€œIf I calm down and stop acting-out , what do I get?  whatâ€™s in it for me? what will YOU do differently???  So how do my wife and I deal with these issues on a daily basis???  The textbooks â€“ and we have read many â€“ are uniform in recommending the correct approach: DOWNPLAY everything as much as possible, BE CONSISTENT, BE FIRM and BE IN AGREEMENT.  If we do not follow this advice, our daughter will drive a wedge right through us every time.  Bin Laden, Ahmadinejad, Nasrallah, Chavez, they all have this in common. They require DRAMA and ATTENTION to thrive, and we give them plenty of it.<br />
So how have we applied these concepts in Iraq???<br />
DRAMA â€“ weâ€™ve had 3+ years of it - all bad â€“ and it continues.<br />
CONSISTENCY???  FIRMNESS???  AGREEMENT???  Draw your own conclusionsâ€¦â€¦.  </p>
<p>RESPECT EQUALS FEAR</p>
<p>I remember seeing Benjamin Netanyahu interviewed during the first week or two of Operation Iraqi Freedom.<br />
The question was about why terrorist groups and their leaders do not respect us.  His response was very clear:<br />
THEY WILL ONLY RESPECT YOU WHEN THEY FEAR YOU.  But how is this accomplished???<br />
Anyone would have to admit that the Israeliâ€™s have been very successful in targeting their enemies for assassination.  Why donâ€™t we form a clandestine group that we can call â€œAMITEFâ€, ( All Muslim Islamic Terrorist Elimination Force).<br />
This would be a highly trained and highly paid â€œMuslim Onlyâ€ group, who believed â€“ as I do â€“ that the ideology, hatred and activities of the Muslim Extremist Groups will eventually have dire consequences for all Muslims around the world, and that they are truly helping all fellow Muslims by eliminating these elements.  Letâ€™s do a little â€œinfiltratingâ€ of our own.  This force could work both within the USA (like the FBI) and outside of the USA (like the â€œoldâ€ CIA).  In other words,  DOWNPLAY the rhetoric and the military force,  and operate like the Stealth Bomber â€“ quiet, lethal and under the radar.  </p>
<p>WHAT DO WE NOW DO IN IRAQ</p>
<p>One of the commenters to your post said,<br />
â€œLook at Iraq NOW, it is indeed a failed state and I donâ€™t see anything we can do to change that fact. The massive input of troops and material that would be needed to FORCE stabilization of Iraq are simply not available to us. We simply donâ€™t have those resources to â€˜â€™commitâ€™â€™ to that taskâ€.</p>
<p>I agree with his assessment. If the #1 reason that we went into Iraq was for the OIL â€“ as I believe it was, letâ€™s now make our #1 PRIORITY to SECURE THE OIL FIELDS. (which we are in effect doing already), and start to withdraw our troops.<br />
Why donâ€™t we put some pressure on the current Iraqi government to work out a â€œbusiness dealâ€  re the oil fields??<br />
The agreement could go something like this:<br />
1.	The United States military would provide 100% security for ONLY the Oil Fields throughout the country.<br />
2.	The United States would provide technology, equipment, maintenance and training to maximize the oil production.<br />
3.	ALL PROFITS from oil sales â€“ which would be substantial -  would go to the Iraqi government to use as they wished: to rebuild their country, pay decent wages to their police and army, etc. â€“ with the United States paid only an agreed upon percentage (in oil and/or dollars) for the security, technology, equipment, management of and training at the oil fields.<br />
4.	This agreement would remain in effect ONLY if a coalition government remained in power in Iraq.  If the coalition government were to collapse â€“ no one in Iraq but the US would have access to the oil. Kind of a political blackmail for the betterment of Iraq.  When we were satisfied that Iraq had a stabilized government and stabilized security forces, we would withdraw completely. If the best that we can do for the Iraqis at this point is to â€œhelp them to help themselvesâ€, then so be it.<br />
â€œIndicators of the Spread of the Global Jihadist Movement,â€ cites the Iraq war as a reason for the diffusion of jihad ideology. The report â€œsays that the Iraq war has made the overall terrorism problem worse.â€â€<br />
â€œIf only we had not confronted the jihadists or worked to solve the root causes of terrorism, none of this would be true today.â€<br />
â€œI totally reject that notion. In fact, I believe it delusional thinking to say that weâ€™d be any safer if we hadnâ€™t invaded Iraq or if we had just lobbed a few cruise missiles at Osama Bin Laden following 9/11, or even if we had put enormous pressure on Israel to come to an agreement with the Palestinians. All of this ignores the one overarching truth about the nature of our enemies (and their tens of millions of supporters around the world); what they seek, we cannot give them.â€<br />
In summary, I agree with all of these statements.  The die had been cast long before 9/11, when the colonial powers withdrew from the Middle East, left a vacuum, and opened up a free-for-all for who ever had â€œthe biggest stickâ€. There is no going back. With or without our invasion of Iraq, NOTHING WOULD HAVE BEEN DIFFERENT with regard to the Israel â€“ Hamas â€“ Hezbollah situations, NOR WOULD ANYTHING HAVE BEEN DIFFERENT with regard to the spread of the Global Jihadist Movement and  the diffusion of jihad ideology. And as long as there is DRAMA, LACK OF CONSISTENCY, LACK OF FIRMNESS and LACK OF AGREEMENT in dealing with these movements, nothing will change.  The War in Iraq â€“ which has encapsulated all of the above â€“ has only sped up the inevitable.</p>
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		<description>Just wanted to say, excellent post!!!!
I continuously read blogs that want change...ok, but what changes do they want? They want a new administration, but  this one was voted in not once but twice.  When we get a new administration, what exactly do they want them to do? What steps do they want taken?
I hear nothing about that... I just hear how they want change. Seems no one has thought far enough ahead to know "what" change they want in actual actions. Just different people in office.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just wanted to say, excellent post!!!!<br />
I continuously read blogs that want change&#8230;ok, but what changes do they want? They want a new administration, but  this one was voted in not once but twice.  When we get a new administration, what exactly do they want them to do? What steps do they want taken?<br />
I hear nothing about that&#8230; I just hear how they want change. Seems no one has thought far enough ahead to know &#8220;what&#8221; change they want in actual actions. Just different people in office.</p>
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		<title>By: Gina Cobb</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gina Cobb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Sep 2006 19:39:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Related Post:&lt;/strong&gt;

&lt;a href="http://ginacobb.typepad.com/gina_cobb/2006/09/does_accepting_.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Does Appeasing Terrorism Destroy One's Soul?&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/a&gt; 

Rick Moran at Right Wing Nut House asks:&#160; &#34;&lt;a href="http://rightwingnuthouse.com/archives/2006/09/23/does-confronting-terrorism-make-it-worse/" rel="nofollow"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Does Confronting Terrorism Make It Worse?&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&#34;&#160; It's an interesting and thoughtful read.

But I have another question:&#160; &lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Does appeasing terrorism &lt;em&gt;destroy one's soul&lt;/em&gt;?&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;There's something deeply wrong about appeasing or tolerating &lt;em&gt;&lt;strong&gt;any &lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/em&gt;form of tyranny. It rubs me the wrong way, and I am hardly alone in this.&#160; . . . .

&lt;a href="http://ginacobb.typepad.com/gina_cobb/2006/09/does_accepting_.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Read more . . .&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Related Post:</strong></p>
<p><a href="http://ginacobb.typepad.com/gina_cobb/2006/09/does_accepting_.html" rel="nofollow"><strong>Does Appeasing Terrorism Destroy One&#8217;s Soul?</strong></a> </p>
<p>Rick Moran at Right Wing Nut House asks:&nbsp; &quot;<a href="http://rightwingnuthouse.com/archives/2006/09/23/does-confronting-terrorism-make-it-worse/" rel="nofollow"><strong>Does Confronting Terrorism Make It Worse?</strong></a>&quot;&nbsp; It&#8217;s an interesting and thoughtful read.</p>
<p>But I have another question:&nbsp;<br />
<blockquote><strong>Does appeasing terrorism <em>destroy one&#8217;s soul</em>?</strong></p></blockquote>
<p>There&#8217;s something deeply wrong about appeasing or tolerating <em><strong>any </strong></em>form of tyranny. It rubs me the wrong way, and I am hardly alone in this.&nbsp; . . . .</p>
<p><a href="http://ginacobb.typepad.com/gina_cobb/2006/09/does_accepting_.html" rel="nofollow"><strong>Read more . . .</strong></a></p>
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		<description>When wars are fight as indeciseivly as the US amd its allies have fought Iraq and Afghanistan, this will only serve to embolden the enemy.  We either need to fight this more decisively or we need to withdraw to fortress America and go back to treating terrorism as a law enforcement issue.  On this note the Administration, needs to worry more about winning the war than how they look politically.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When wars are fight as indeciseivly as the US amd its allies have fought Iraq and Afghanistan, this will only serve to embolden the enemy.  We either need to fight this more decisively or we need to withdraw to fortress America and go back to treating terrorism as a law enforcement issue.  On this note the Administration, needs to worry more about winning the war than how they look politically.</p>
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