I agree about JFK completely, but You forgot JFK’s betrayal of the 2506 Brigade at the Bay of Pigs. And you failed to mention that JFK agreed to make Cuba exempt from military intervention and agreed to pull our missiles out of Turkey. You probably missed that detail because in typical Kennedy fashion, he had the records sealed.

Also, remember that Kennedy was awarded the Navy Cross for PT109. I’ve tried to imagine the citation. It must have read, “due a shortage of torpedos and ammunition, Lt (JG) Kennedy maneuvered his vessel into the path of the enemy ship, inflicting severe paint scratches on the bow as the enemy destroyer, making 40 knots, cut his PT109 in half.”

Didn’t Kennedy tell the south vietnamese military that it was okay to assassinate Presiden Diem? That’s hardly staying the course.

Wasn’t the war on poverty part of the Great Society? That program destroyed the fabric of urban black families and made liberals feel good.

In case you have forgotton, like most of your liberal friends, the US was attacked by terrorists. You do recall the World Trade Center and Pentagon attacks. Oh, or you a “truther”.

Which part of the facts I presented would you call strawmen? Does using the term “strawmen” w/o any supporting facts constitute your idea of a counterargument? I work with facts to extend discussion and to exchange ideas. Your profoundly juvenile use of “hee-hee” and unsupported strawmen claims show you to be unthinking and incapable of constructing any kind of argument worthy of the term. Buy another Club Gitmo shirt and let the grownups talk now.

rick must’ve really got to you with this post. all you two could come up with were those ridiculous strawmen? i can imagine both of you engaging in some primal scream therapy while writing those comments. hee hee.

Yesterday;

“Of course, they don’t. In fact, they are cheering Mr. Olberman on to ever higher flights of rhetorical excess and juvenile name calling. Reporter Wallace is a “monkey.” Bush is a “coward.” This is what passes for reasonable dialogue on lefty blogs and Olbermann doesn’t let his audience down.”

Have you such limited knowledge of history? Who declared war on the Axis powers in the 1940’s, when real armies theatened to invade America? Why that sniveling coward Franklin D. Roosevelt, a Democrat. Who made the gut-wrenching decision to drop an atomic bomb to save endless numbers of American and Japanese lives at the end of World War II? Why that cowardly Democrat, Harry Truman. Who stepped up to the plate in 1917, despite personal doubts, to engage the United States in World War I, to end that long-term war? Why, the cowardly Woodrow Wilson, Democrat. Who took the United States to the brink of nuclear war in 1962 to prevent Soviet warheads from being placed in Cuba, 90 miles off our shores. Why, that terrible coward of PT 109, John F. Kennedy, Democrat. Who chose to stay the course in Vietnam, to fight the evils of Communism, even though it cost him his Presidency? That cowardly act belonged to Lyndon Johnson, Democratic President.

When push comes to shove, Democratic presidents have frequently shown great moral courage and handled international crises and wars with effectiveness and tenacity.

I do not see where floundering endlessly in Iraq with too few troops, getting American troops killed for the false hope of imposing democracy (an oxymoron, if there ever was one), and declaring war against an idea (the War of Terror), much like the War of Drugs and the War on Poverty (drugs and poverty won, by the way) is a plan for any free thinking non-ideologue to support. I hope you are both feeling and thinking better tomorrow.