Choose your poison I guess.

To me, the main difference between right and left, is same as justice vs. mercy. Both are parts of goodness. Right-wingers tend to emphasise justice
and rightousness, while lefties mercy and compassion. We need both, and most
people, left or right, demonstrate both at one time or another. You say
tampon, I say tampoon. Let’s work the whole thing out.

Right-wingers draw a smaller circle of “us” and “family” while lefties
tend to have a larger one. But I think that right wingers feeling for “us” and “family” may be more concentrated and passionate as a result. The downside
of this is a mild (to extreme) paranoia.

What is the right way to “solve” the problem?
There may not BE a solution. It may just have to peter out naturally, eventually. More moderate voices are encouraged.
But at the same time, the US is asking for more trouble,
shaking a hornets nest.

It isn’t the wild west out there. There were rules in the wild west
compared to what’s going on now. We were supposed to save
the town from the bad guys, then Nelly and her three
kids come out and hug us. But that dream evaporated.
We need to get out of the wild wild, mid-east,
eliminate oil dependence, and the need to have troops there.
The admin has not addressed this issue at all.

I don’t know the answers, but we need to change tactics.
The current admin isn’t doing that. If it ain’t working, they say it is. If it’s broke they deny it is.

A righteous war is worth fighting. WWII was one. Vietnam, probably not.
Iraq? If it had been done right, with a 500,000 troops from around the world,
then perhaps. But the way it has been run, it’s worse off than before,
Saddam and all.

Yep, Truman was a fighter as was Kennedy. But then came LBJ and the Democrat party changed. Instead of doing what he should have done, LBJ let the anti-war people get out of hand (”hey, hey, LBJ, how many kids have you killed today”) and by the time Nixon was in office the Communist Party of America had financed a large revolt on our own streets against the war in Vietnam. We didn’t lose that war. We gave it away. Vietnam was over by the time Ford took office. So don’t know how you can say Ford was a “run and cut” president. There was a time when Democrats stood their ground for our nation’s security. FDR when he backed Britian by twisting the law and Truman when he used the atom bomb. But those Democrats no longer exist. Too bad. I hated it when the Democrats left me and sold out to the far left. But I can’t support a party that cares more about the rights of terrorists than they do about killing the terrorists.

Regarding economy: if it was worse under Clinton, Bush would get credit.
But it wasn’t. Bush inherited a good one. Suprisingly still fairly strong.
So he gets points for not blowing something (for a change).

Immigrants: Those home-growns sue too much. See illegals = no lawsuits cause the INS will come. So BIG CORPS like ‘em. Whose fault is that?

War: Also, afraid that was Truman who won the “big one”. Not exactly an appeaser. Nixon and Ford lost Vietnam. Run and cutters. Which party were they again?

“how many non-illegals want to scrub chemical vats and work 12 shifts in a slaugher house”

Well, gee, perhaps you should go to norhtwest Arkansas and talk to the people there who worked for Tyson, Bruce’s and all the other poultry plants. They worked there, their fathers worked there, and their grandfathers worked there. Now they are unemployed. They were put out of work by an industry that not only hired illegals, but sent people to Mexico to recruit illegals. Middle American families who worked in slaughter houses, raising their families on those jobs. So obviously, there were Americans who worked in those jobs and you didn’t know it. Now, those same Americans are on the unemployment
dole.
So now you want Repubicans out on their arses. OK. You really think the party of appeasment will do any better? If you do, perhaps it is better you are not in the U.S. any longer.

Guess money can’t buy love now, can it?

>> Unemployment at 4.7%
>>Stock market at all time highs

>>National deficit coming down like the walls of Jerico.

So it’s like 300 billion instead of 400 billion.
That’s still a pretty high wall.

>>Minority business and home ownership at all time highs
>>Education gap between minorities and whites narrowing

Some things that the ADMIN did nothing to HELP, HAVE worked out
on their own. Just imagine how great things would be if the ADMIN was
out on their arses completely!

>>All this in spite of the fact that we must educate those who have >>no legal right in this nation and in their own language or pay for >>their medical care not to mention all the other social services.

But at the same time, the ADMIN makes the ILLEGAL IMMIG issue
a major point (distraction). Yet it has very few real world impact to most Americans, and helps a great deal. They don’t have an easy life here. But of course it has to be dealt with, and I’m not sure I’d be betting on either party hit a home run.

>>Think what the unemployment rate would be if we did not factor in >>the illegal base.
Higher probably - how many non illegals want to scrub chemical vats and work 12 shifts in slaughter houses.

>>And since two Americans just won Nobel Peace Prizes in science, I >>guess the evangelical base has not stifled research all that much.

Guess they can fit Big Bang into creationism and Dna
into God’s plan. But seriously, it’s the message it sends.
Research into

>>Hitler didn’t like us much but that didn’t stop us from kicking his >>tail but since you are so worried about us being liked, I would >>suggest you go visit Kim Jong Il and Almondjoyjihad and convince >>them what nice people we really are. And think of the frequent >>flyer miles you will rack up.

Love it or leave it? I’ve left it already, but I still love it.

All this in spite of the fact that we must educate those who have no legal right in this nation and in their own language or pay for their medical care not to mention all the other social services. Think what the unemployment rate would be if we did not factor in the illegal base.
And since two Americans just won Nobel Peace Prizes in science, I guess the evangelical base has not stifled research all that much.
Hitler didn’t like us much but that didn’t stop us from kicking his tail but since you are so worried about us being liked, I would suggest you go visit Kim Jong Il and Almondjoyjihad and convince them what nice people we really are. And think of the frequent flyer miles you will rack up.

Afghanistan - on the verge falling apart

Iraq - flying apart at the seams

North Korea - blowing up nuclear bombs

Iran - about to go nuclear, gaining more influence in Iraq

Palestine/Israeli conflict: worse and South Lebanon destroyed

Bin Laden free and terrorism flourishing

Unilateralism has alienated allies and forced the USA to take on greater burden alone

Americans are more than ever despised abroad.

On the home front :

National debt has doubled - approaching 10 trillion dollars
(increased as % of GDP also), which will come home to roost.

Military stretched to the limit

Scientific research stifled in deference to Evangelical base.

Forget about the child porn ring being run out of Foley’s office.

The things that have gone right, such as jobs, stock and home prices
are things that the admin never really touch. Everything that they touch,
goes dreadfully wrong.