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		<title>By: Wake up America</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wake up America</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Nov 2006 04:57:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;The Democratic Dilemma&lt;/strong&gt;

From the doorway Bush and Rove stick their heads in the door and scream: NOVEMBER SURPRISE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Then laughing they head on down the hallway, laughing harder as Hillary SCREAMS..... NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!</description>
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<p>From the doorway Bush and Rove stick their heads in the door and scream: NOVEMBER SURPRISE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Then laughing they head on down the hallway, laughing harder as Hillary SCREAMS&#8230;.. NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Nov 2006 03:08:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great article.  That is my main problem with the Republicans - the "churchies" - don't get me wrong, I have spiritual beliefs, but I always get a bad taste in my mouth seeing Falwell, Robertson, Dobson, etc. with their pompous preachy utterances.  The Democrats as a whole, are so wrong for this country/world, but they, along with the MSM, do such a great job of shaping opinions of those who won't dig for the underlying truth beyond the soundbites and slogans (tax cuts for the rich, culture of corruption, bush lied - people died, etc.).  I'm fairly new to the politics game, but does it appear that we are headed for "coalition governments" of the european/israeli variety?  And do those structures work well to get things done, or is it constant gridlock?  What is one to do when it seems all the parties will be in flux thanks to the Democrats recruiting Republicans to be Republicrats?  I guess just make a checklist of what your beliefs/tenets are and then start checking them off...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great article.  That is my main problem with the Republicans - the &#8220;churchies&#8221; - don&#8217;t get me wrong, I have spiritual beliefs, but I always get a bad taste in my mouth seeing Falwell, Robertson, Dobson, etc. with their pompous preachy utterances.  The Democrats as a whole, are so wrong for this country/world, but they, along with the MSM, do such a great job of shaping opinions of those who won&#8217;t dig for the underlying truth beyond the soundbites and slogans (tax cuts for the rich, culture of corruption, bush lied - people died, etc.).  I&#8217;m fairly new to the politics game, but does it appear that we are headed for &#8220;coalition governments&#8221; of the european/israeli variety?  And do those structures work well to get things done, or is it constant gridlock?  What is one to do when it seems all the parties will be in flux thanks to the Democrats recruiting Republicans to be Republicrats?  I guess just make a checklist of what your beliefs/tenets are and then start checking them off&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: mblack</title>
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		<dc:creator>mblack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Nov 2006 23:21:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rick,

I agree with you that there currently is a schism; however, I don't believe it is going to be as hard to fix as you claim. I was registered as a Libertarian for many years, although I'm now a Republican. I believe that if the R's got back to the small government philosophy of the mid 90s as promoted by Dick Armey and Newt Gingrich, many libertarians would come back to the party. I can't imagine how a true libertarian could ever feel comfortable in the Democrat party. The Dems believe in socialized medicine, high taxes and more regulation, and are anti gun rights. Not much there for a libertarian to like. 

By the way Rick, Reagan a Deist? What is your source for this claim? Reagan was a Christian, whether you like it or not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rick,</p>
<p>I agree with you that there currently is a schism; however, I don&#8217;t believe it is going to be as hard to fix as you claim. I was registered as a Libertarian for many years, although I&#8217;m now a Republican. I believe that if the R&#8217;s got back to the small government philosophy of the mid 90s as promoted by Dick Armey and Newt Gingrich, many libertarians would come back to the party. I can&#8217;t imagine how a true libertarian could ever feel comfortable in the Democrat party. The Dems believe in socialized medicine, high taxes and more regulation, and are anti gun rights. Not much there for a libertarian to like. </p>
<p>By the way Rick, Reagan a Deist? What is your source for this claim? Reagan was a Christian, whether you like it or not.</p>
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		<title>By: Right Wing Nation &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Jumping The Shark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Right Wing Nation &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Jumping The Shark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Nov 2006 18:25:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] In "The Coming Schism," Rick Moran discusses the tension between the "libertaran wing" and the "social conservative wing" of the party &#8212; and if I may humbly suggest, because I am a great fan of Rick's, he misses the boat. On Maggie's Farm, The Barrister similarly misses the boat. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] In &#8220;The Coming Schism,&#8221; Rick Moran discusses the tension between the &#8220;libertaran wing&#8221; and the &#8220;social conservative wing&#8221; of the party &#8212; and if I may humbly suggest, because I am a great fan of Rick&#8217;s, he misses the boat. On Maggie&#8217;s Farm, The Barrister similarly misses the boat. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: tet-vet68</title>
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		<dc:creator>tet-vet68</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Nov 2006 17:33:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rick...

A quick comment before I go out and march in the Veteran's Day Parade.....

IMHO....Despite the results of this election, the Republicans still have one major thing going for them:
The Democrats - at this point anyway - DO NOT HAVE a viable presidential candidate for 2008.
Polls have consistently shown that 30% of the electorate will not vote for either a woman or African American for President.  Nominating either Clinton or Obama would mean starting 30 points down and having to win at least 51% of the remaining votes (over 70%).
I also believe that Kerry is no longer a viable candidate.

Considering this, and looking at the straw polls, I believe that the best ticket the GOP could put up would be:

Giuliani for President
Gingrich for VP

I like Gingrich, but he has too much baggage for the Presidential nomination. But he would shore up the already solid South, and has some popularity in the Midwest and West as well....
 
McCain has lost respect, and as for Romney, I believe that fact that he is a Mormon will not sit well with a large voting block - both right and left.

I believe that Giuliani's Pro-Choice views - which are not a deal breaker -  will bring in both  
moderate democrats and woman.

That's my choice for a winning 2008 GOP ticket....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rick&#8230;</p>
<p>A quick comment before I go out and march in the Veteran&#8217;s Day Parade&#8230;..</p>
<p>IMHO&#8230;.Despite the results of this election, the Republicans still have one major thing going for them:<br />
The Democrats - at this point anyway - DO NOT HAVE a viable presidential candidate for 2008.<br />
Polls have consistently shown that 30% of the electorate will not vote for either a woman or African American for President.  Nominating either Clinton or Obama would mean starting 30 points down and having to win at least 51% of the remaining votes (over 70%).<br />
I also believe that Kerry is no longer a viable candidate.</p>
<p>Considering this, and looking at the straw polls, I believe that the best ticket the GOP could put up would be:</p>
<p>Giuliani for President<br />
Gingrich for VP</p>
<p>I like Gingrich, but he has too much baggage for the Presidential nomination. But he would shore up the already solid South, and has some popularity in the Midwest and West as well&#8230;.</p>
<p>McCain has lost respect, and as for Romney, I believe that fact that he is a Mormon will not sit well with a large voting block - both right and left.</p>
<p>I believe that Giuliani&#8217;s Pro-Choice views - which are not a deal breaker -  will bring in both<br />
moderate democrats and woman.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s my choice for a winning 2008 GOP ticket&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: rightwingprof</title>
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		<dc:creator>rightwingprof</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Nov 2006 16:52:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, the "libertarian wing" of conservatism is not new, or relatively new. It's the conservatism of the west, the conservatism of Barry Goldwater and Ronald Reagan. It's the conservatism that brought us the landslide victory of 1994.

It seems to me that Republicans have to learn that "my way or the highway" politics do not fly with the public. Politics is not an all or nothing proposition -- and neither is principle.

Amendments against gay marriage? Fine. Amendments that violate private property rights by telling you you can't "emulate" marriage? Not fine, and not conservative. Amendments that tell hospitals who they may or may not consider family? Not fine, and not conservative (ever hear of freedom of association?) Amendments that specify what benefits businesses may and may not give their employees? That's not even nominally conservative -- since when did conservatives support regulating business?

But the "all or nothing" crap has to go, if we are ever to be elected to office again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, the &#8220;libertarian wing&#8221; of conservatism is not new, or relatively new. It&#8217;s the conservatism of the west, the conservatism of Barry Goldwater and Ronald Reagan. It&#8217;s the conservatism that brought us the landslide victory of 1994.</p>
<p>It seems to me that Republicans have to learn that &#8220;my way or the highway&#8221; politics do not fly with the public. Politics is not an all or nothing proposition &#8212; and neither is principle.</p>
<p>Amendments against gay marriage? Fine. Amendments that violate private property rights by telling you you can&#8217;t &#8220;emulate&#8221; marriage? Not fine, and not conservative. Amendments that tell hospitals who they may or may not consider family? Not fine, and not conservative (ever hear of freedom of association?) Amendments that specify what benefits businesses may and may not give their employees? That&#8217;s not even nominally conservative &#8212; since when did conservatives support regulating business?</p>
<p>But the &#8220;all or nothing&#8221; crap has to go, if we are ever to be elected to office again.</p>
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		<title>By: GawainsGhost</title>
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		<dc:creator>GawainsGhost</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Nov 2006 16:05:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, when (hats off and over heart) Tom Landry was the head coach of the Dallas Cowboys, he didnâ€™t give pep talks. He didnâ€™t scream and yell at the players. After a game, win or lose, he would watch game film for two days and take notes. Then at the team meeting he would walk in with a long legal pad, go over the game film and very calmly, unemotionally explain every mistake made by every player on every play, offense, defense and special teams. This is what happened. This is what you should have done. This is what you did. These are the mistakes you need to correct.

The players hated it. Drew Pearson said he just wanted Landry to yell at him once. Randy White said it got to him personally every time. He would leave the meetings and go sit by himself for several hours, thinking about what Landry had said. And it would make him so mad, he couldnâ€™t wait until Sunday so he could get on the field and hit somebody.

A lot of people criticized Landry as being â€˜plasticâ€™, unattached to his players. But his method motivated them to achieve their very best, 20 consecutive winning seasons, 13 division titles, 5 conference titles, 21 playoff victories, and 2 Super Bowl championships. To this day no one has been that successful in the NFL, and probably no one ever will.

I think this is exactly the kind of approach we need to take as we regroup for the next election cycle. Study the game film and calmly, unemotionally examine every mistake made by every player on every play, then correct those mistakes. 

I wouldnâ€™t blame President Bush too much. He is what he is, his fatherâ€™s son, not a conservative. The American people knew that when they elected and re-elected him. And considering the alternatives, Gore and Kerry, can anyone really say they made a mistake? No, the fault here lies with the leadership, or lack thereof, in the House and Senate.

The President campaigned as a â€˜compassionate conservativeâ€™ (whatever that is), and he has governed as such, seeking a new tone and bipartisanship. Obviously that was a mistake in philosophy we need to correct before selecting our next candidate. I blame John McCain, who is not a team player, more than anyone else, for undermining the conservative leadership in the Senate. And for that reason I refuse to support him for national office or any leadership position. I also blame the leadership in the House for abandoning the conservative principles, especially on spending, which got them elected in the first place. That is a mistake we cannot allow our representatives to make again.

Let us not forget that it was the conservatives in the House that killed the Bush-Senate immigration proposal, and rightfully so. I seriously doubt anything resembling amnesty has any chance of making it through the next Congress, because the conservative Republicans who kept their seats and the conservative Democrats who gained theirs are not about to risk being thrown out on their asses in the next election by passing a proposal so vehemently opposed by the vast majority of Americans.

I also seriously doubt the newly elected Democrats, the majority of whom ran as conservatives, are going to push for a â€˜cut and runâ€™ policy in Iraq or the War on Terror. The jihadists are complete fools if they think these guys are going to be more â€˜reasonableâ€™ (their term) in dealing with terrorism. When given a choice between wiping out terrorists or losing their newfound power, these Democrats are going to make the Republicans look like Frenchmen in the ferocity of their attack.

What is going to be really interesting over the next two years is watching the struggle within the Democratic party between the conservatives (read Americans) who just got elected and the liberals (read Euro-socialist weenies) who make up the leadership (Pelosi, Reid, Dean). The liberals as a group are mired in a misundertanding and misrepresentation of the past. They are completely out of touch with the vast majority of Americans, and if they try to shove their ill-founded policies down the peopleâ€™s throat, they are going to regret it.

I disagree that we need to start a third party. That is the one sure way to get Hillary Clinton elected in 2008, which would be an unmitigated disaster. There are far too many yellow dog Democrats who are going to vote the straight party ticket, regardless of who is the candidate, for a third party to have any chance of electing a real conservative. It will only serve to drain votes from the Republican ticket, as Perot did in 1992.

What we need to do is build a coalition of blue dog Democrats and red dog Republicans around core conservative principlesâ€“limited government, low taxation, less regulation, national securityâ€“and take the fight to the liberals. That is the only way Team America is going to win.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, when (hats off and over heart) Tom Landry was the head coach of the Dallas Cowboys, he didnâ€™t give pep talks. He didnâ€™t scream and yell at the players. After a game, win or lose, he would watch game film for two days and take notes. Then at the team meeting he would walk in with a long legal pad, go over the game film and very calmly, unemotionally explain every mistake made by every player on every play, offense, defense and special teams. This is what happened. This is what you should have done. This is what you did. These are the mistakes you need to correct.</p>
<p>The players hated it. Drew Pearson said he just wanted Landry to yell at him once. Randy White said it got to him personally every time. He would leave the meetings and go sit by himself for several hours, thinking about what Landry had said. And it would make him so mad, he couldnâ€™t wait until Sunday so he could get on the field and hit somebody.</p>
<p>A lot of people criticized Landry as being â€˜plasticâ€™, unattached to his players. But his method motivated them to achieve their very best, 20 consecutive winning seasons, 13 division titles, 5 conference titles, 21 playoff victories, and 2 Super Bowl championships. To this day no one has been that successful in the NFL, and probably no one ever will.</p>
<p>I think this is exactly the kind of approach we need to take as we regroup for the next election cycle. Study the game film and calmly, unemotionally examine every mistake made by every player on every play, then correct those mistakes. </p>
<p>I wouldnâ€™t blame President Bush too much. He is what he is, his fatherâ€™s son, not a conservative. The American people knew that when they elected and re-elected him. And considering the alternatives, Gore and Kerry, can anyone really say they made a mistake? No, the fault here lies with the leadership, or lack thereof, in the House and Senate.</p>
<p>The President campaigned as a â€˜compassionate conservativeâ€™ (whatever that is), and he has governed as such, seeking a new tone and bipartisanship. Obviously that was a mistake in philosophy we need to correct before selecting our next candidate. I blame John McCain, who is not a team player, more than anyone else, for undermining the conservative leadership in the Senate. And for that reason I refuse to support him for national office or any leadership position. I also blame the leadership in the House for abandoning the conservative principles, especially on spending, which got them elected in the first place. That is a mistake we cannot allow our representatives to make again.</p>
<p>Let us not forget that it was the conservatives in the House that killed the Bush-Senate immigration proposal, and rightfully so. I seriously doubt anything resembling amnesty has any chance of making it through the next Congress, because the conservative Republicans who kept their seats and the conservative Democrats who gained theirs are not about to risk being thrown out on their asses in the next election by passing a proposal so vehemently opposed by the vast majority of Americans.</p>
<p>I also seriously doubt the newly elected Democrats, the majority of whom ran as conservatives, are going to push for a â€˜cut and runâ€™ policy in Iraq or the War on Terror. The jihadists are complete fools if they think these guys are going to be more â€˜reasonableâ€™ (their term) in dealing with terrorism. When given a choice between wiping out terrorists or losing their newfound power, these Democrats are going to make the Republicans look like Frenchmen in the ferocity of their attack.</p>
<p>What is going to be really interesting over the next two years is watching the struggle within the Democratic party between the conservatives (read Americans) who just got elected and the liberals (read Euro-socialist weenies) who make up the leadership (Pelosi, Reid, Dean). The liberals as a group are mired in a misundertanding and misrepresentation of the past. They are completely out of touch with the vast majority of Americans, and if they try to shove their ill-founded policies down the peopleâ€™s throat, they are going to regret it.</p>
<p>I disagree that we need to start a third party. That is the one sure way to get Hillary Clinton elected in 2008, which would be an unmitigated disaster. There are far too many yellow dog Democrats who are going to vote the straight party ticket, regardless of who is the candidate, for a third party to have any chance of electing a real conservative. It will only serve to drain votes from the Republican ticket, as Perot did in 1992.</p>
<p>What we need to do is build a coalition of blue dog Democrats and red dog Republicans around core conservative principlesâ€“limited government, low taxation, less regulation, national securityâ€“and take the fight to the liberals. That is the only way Team America is going to win.</p>
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		<title>By: gokart-mozart</title>
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		<dc:creator>gokart-mozart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Nov 2006 03:02:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don't agree with the above comment about the homosexual "marriage" issue. Most normals feel that court-imposed "marriages" between two  individuals of the same sex is an impingement on Liberty (of the People to order their own affairs) rather than an expansion of Liberty.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t agree with the above comment about the homosexual &#8220;marriage&#8221; issue. Most normals feel that court-imposed &#8220;marriages&#8221; between two  individuals of the same sex is an impingement on Liberty (of the People to order their own affairs) rather than an expansion of Liberty.</p>
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		<title>By: gokart-mozart</title>
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		<dc:creator>gokart-mozart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Nov 2006 03:00:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I've begun using the term Liberty voter instead of Libertarian. The latter co-mingles LPers and loserdopians, both of whom have no political future of any kind, with the large fraction of those who want to be left alone and need the state to shrink to accomplish that goal.

I experienced 1994 as a very pro-Liberty event, fuelled by HillaryCare, Waco, Ruby Ridge, and growing regulation of all kinds. I've been shocked (genuinely) by the antipathy the loser social conservatives have shown to the Liberty voters after Tuesday.

Democrats being what they are, it's hard to see significant numbers of Liberty voters being content with what they are going to be dishing out.

Interesting times.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve begun using the term Liberty voter instead of Libertarian. The latter co-mingles LPers and loserdopians, both of whom have no political future of any kind, with the large fraction of those who want to be left alone and need the state to shrink to accomplish that goal.</p>
<p>I experienced 1994 as a very pro-Liberty event, fuelled by HillaryCare, Waco, Ruby Ridge, and growing regulation of all kinds. I&#8217;ve been shocked (genuinely) by the antipathy the loser social conservatives have shown to the Liberty voters after Tuesday.</p>
<p>Democrats being what they are, it&#8217;s hard to see significant numbers of Liberty voters being content with what they are going to be dishing out.</p>
<p>Interesting times.</p>
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		<title>By: Alan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Nov 2006 01:25:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The anti-gay ballot initiatives passed easily because most people aren't affected. If instead the initiative raised taxes on somebody else, it would have passed almost as easily for the same reason. This is different from the anti-abortion law in South Dakota. While most voters believe abortion is awful, it doesn't translate into their desire to make it illegal. Why?...because of the possibility of being directly affected by the law, unlike gay marriage.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The anti-gay ballot initiatives passed easily because most people aren&#8217;t affected. If instead the initiative raised taxes on somebody else, it would have passed almost as easily for the same reason. This is different from the anti-abortion law in South Dakota. While most voters believe abortion is awful, it doesn&#8217;t translate into their desire to make it illegal. Why?&#8230;because of the possibility of being directly affected by the law, unlike gay marriage.</p>
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