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		<title>By: The Coffeespy &#187; Engaging Iran and Syria</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Coffeespy &#187; Engaging Iran and Syria</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Dec 2006 17:58:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Right Wing Nuthouse talks about a dull document unable to wake up the President. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Doug Ross @ Journal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doug Ross @ Journal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Dec 2006 11:08:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Maureen Dowd's Favorite Magazine&lt;/strong&gt;

I've wondered for years how the Left could idolize despots: the likes of Saddam, Hugo, and Mahmoud. Well, the mystery is finally solved as I happened to stumble across this magazine.  It may be published by the Sulzberger family (though I'm not sure ...</description>
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<p>I&#8217;ve wondered for years how the Left could idolize despots: the likes of Saddam, Hugo, and Mahmoud. Well, the mystery is finally solved as I happened to stumble across this magazine.  It may be published by the Sulzberger family (though I&#8217;m not sure &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Around Midnight</title>
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		<dc:creator>Around Midnight</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Dec 2006 05:10:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lost in this conversation is any helpful discussion regarding the Will of the American People.  I am not sure our leaders or the pundits fully understand this dynamic.  Dominic Johnson and Dominic Tierney wrongly make the point last week in their Op-ed (New York Times November 28, 2006, OP-ED) piece that:

â€œâ€¦ Tet and Somalia were not defeats. They were success perceived as failures. Such stark divergence between perception and reality is common in wartime, when peopleâ€™s beliefs about which side wins and which loses are often driven by psychological factors that have nothing to do with events on the battlefield.â€

The battlefield in the Vietnam War and in Somalia was not only on the ground where the combat units fought. It was much bigger than that. Johnson and Tierney do not seem to understand that the battlefield included the ability of our political leaders to cultivate and sustain a â€œunified national will.â€ In regard to the Vietnam War and in Somalia, we can say that our national leadership was unequal to the task and was defeated. It is not a media generated false perception but rather a grim reality that this nation must be fought (against our enemies) in a seamless universe of war that includes multiple and varied dimensions. One of these dimensions is military action. Another dimension is the commitment of the people. Both are instruments of war, both can contribute to victory and both can be subject to defeat. In combat, our leaders must lead and develop both. I donâ€™t think our congress and executive branch have understood this. I think the Vietcong did:

â€˜â€˜'You know you never defeated us on the battlefield,' said the American colonel. The North Vietnamese colonel pondered this remark a moment. 'That may be so,' he replied, 'but it is also irrelevant.'" - Harry G. Summers On Strategy

I remember in 1976 at USMC The Basic School (TBS) in Quantico, VA seeing a military instructional movie regarding communication security in the Vietnam War. According to this movie the Vietcong had developed incredible electronic warfare capability using the most humble of equipment. The movie described the apparently laxity of communication security by the US forces and the great success the communists had in compromising our communications in the most deadly ways for our soldiers and marines. If this was true than it described a dimension of war that was not given due leadership consideration at the time. I believe this same â€œtypeâ€ of conceptual error is being made in the US war in Iraq. There are dimension(s) of this war that have not been given due consideration by the national leadership. In the same way that our company commanders must use their unit as an instrument of combat and must â€œfight their companyâ€ against the enemy, our national leaders must â€œfight the nationâ€ in time of war. I am saying that in the universe of war there is a seamless environment composed of many dimensions. One of the dimensions is the commitment of the people. Our elected government has failed to understand this in Iraq.

The organized application of violence on the battlefield is clearly the most dramatic and traumatic component of warâ€¦, but it is not the only one. If national leadership takes this country into a war and does not have a legitimate plan to cultivate and sustain a â€œunified national willâ€ to support that war than they have not done their job. It is not a problem of the press, it is a failure in leadership. Can you imagine a unit leader, leading his or her company into an attack without reconnaissance, without considering the situation, mission, execution, admin and logistics, and command and signal? This administration has done the moral and operational equivalent of this kind of unacceptable and poor performance. I am saying that it is not "perception" but reality: one of the components of war is the will of the American People. It is simultaneously a weapon against the enemy and an objective of opposing forces. If we go into war without a plan and contingency plans or if we fail to execute a plan to cultivate and sustain a unified national will we are fighting with our hands tied behind our back.

Whatever we do in Iraq at this dismal point in time, if we do not have a national leadership that cultivates and sustains with integrity, an unified national will than we can say once again, (to paraphrase Bernard B. Fall) that our elected government is accountably â€œunequal to the taskâ€ that is at least Iraq.

(Around Midnight at sundayschoolforsinners.blogspot.com)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lost in this conversation is any helpful discussion regarding the Will of the American People.  I am not sure our leaders or the pundits fully understand this dynamic.  Dominic Johnson and Dominic Tierney wrongly make the point last week in their Op-ed (New York Times November 28, 2006, OP-ED) piece that:</p>
<p>â€œâ€¦ Tet and Somalia were not defeats. They were success perceived as failures. Such stark divergence between perception and reality is common in wartime, when peopleâ€™s beliefs about which side wins and which loses are often driven by psychological factors that have nothing to do with events on the battlefield.â€</p>
<p>The battlefield in the Vietnam War and in Somalia was not only on the ground where the combat units fought. It was much bigger than that. Johnson and Tierney do not seem to understand that the battlefield included the ability of our political leaders to cultivate and sustain a â€œunified national will.â€ In regard to the Vietnam War and in Somalia, we can say that our national leadership was unequal to the task and was defeated. It is not a media generated false perception but rather a grim reality that this nation must be fought (against our enemies) in a seamless universe of war that includes multiple and varied dimensions. One of these dimensions is military action. Another dimension is the commitment of the people. Both are instruments of war, both can contribute to victory and both can be subject to defeat. In combat, our leaders must lead and develop both. I donâ€™t think our congress and executive branch have understood this. I think the Vietcong did:</p>
<p>â€˜â€˜&#8217;You know you never defeated us on the battlefield,&#8217; said the American colonel. The North Vietnamese colonel pondered this remark a moment. &#8216;That may be so,&#8217; he replied, &#8216;but it is also irrelevant.&#8217;&#8221; - Harry G. Summers On Strategy</p>
<p>I remember in 1976 at USMC The Basic School (TBS) in Quantico, VA seeing a military instructional movie regarding communication security in the Vietnam War. According to this movie the Vietcong had developed incredible electronic warfare capability using the most humble of equipment. The movie described the apparently laxity of communication security by the US forces and the great success the communists had in compromising our communications in the most deadly ways for our soldiers and marines. If this was true than it described a dimension of war that was not given due leadership consideration at the time. I believe this same â€œtypeâ€ of conceptual error is being made in the US war in Iraq. There are dimension(s) of this war that have not been given due consideration by the national leadership. In the same way that our company commanders must use their unit as an instrument of combat and must â€œfight their companyâ€ against the enemy, our national leaders must â€œfight the nationâ€ in time of war. I am saying that in the universe of war there is a seamless environment composed of many dimensions. One of the dimensions is the commitment of the people. Our elected government has failed to understand this in Iraq.</p>
<p>The organized application of violence on the battlefield is clearly the most dramatic and traumatic component of warâ€¦, but it is not the only one. If national leadership takes this country into a war and does not have a legitimate plan to cultivate and sustain a â€œunified national willâ€ to support that war than they have not done their job. It is not a problem of the press, it is a failure in leadership. Can you imagine a unit leader, leading his or her company into an attack without reconnaissance, without considering the situation, mission, execution, admin and logistics, and command and signal? This administration has done the moral and operational equivalent of this kind of unacceptable and poor performance. I am saying that it is not &#8220;perception&#8221; but reality: one of the components of war is the will of the American People. It is simultaneously a weapon against the enemy and an objective of opposing forces. If we go into war without a plan and contingency plans or if we fail to execute a plan to cultivate and sustain a unified national will we are fighting with our hands tied behind our back.</p>
<p>Whatever we do in Iraq at this dismal point in time, if we do not have a national leadership that cultivates and sustains with integrity, an unified national will than we can say once again, (to paraphrase Bernard B. Fall) that our elected government is accountably â€œunequal to the taskâ€ that is at least Iraq.</p>
<p>(Around Midnight at sundayschoolforsinners.blogspot.com)</p>
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		<title>By: General Grevious</title>
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		<dc:creator>General Grevious</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Dec 2006 02:49:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>and another thing...can you tell m why Bush would pick the new Sect.of Defense he did ? What does this tell you of his judgment ? Did you hear the man's confirmation hearing. Was this guy recommended by Bush Sr. too ? I guess Bush knows he has f*cked up and is now gathering around himself men who will beat the drum to retreat, appease etc. And Bush will say "after consideration of the wisdom of these advisors I will follow their lead..." he needs a way out and they have provided the cover for him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>and another thing&#8230;can you tell m why Bush would pick the new Sect.of Defense he did ? What does this tell you of his judgment ? Did you hear the man&#8217;s confirmation hearing. Was this guy recommended by Bush Sr. too ? I guess Bush knows he has f*cked up and is now gathering around himself men who will beat the drum to retreat, appease etc. And Bush will say &#8220;after consideration of the wisdom of these advisors I will follow their lead&#8230;&#8221; he needs a way out and they have provided the cover for him.</p>
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		<title>By: General Grevious</title>
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		<dc:creator>General Grevious</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Dec 2006 02:42:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I cannot begin to image the outrage moms and dads,brothers and sisters,wives and husbands who have lost thier loved ones in this "war" will now feel. Can you imagine if your only son died for this...for what ? And would you want your son going over there now, knowing he may die for this ? Bush and his admin. had a complete lack of understanding of Islam and the Middle East. And truth be told we should have stayed out of Iraq (we have only nade Iran teh strong man in the region now) and saved our resources (including US servicemen)for a confrontation with Iran, all along THEY have been the bigger danger then Saddam. But Bush in his pride just had to try and do what his daddy didn't finish and look what it has wrought. We will end up selling out Israel and anyone else who thought we actually stood for something. We stand for nothing anymore ! Sorry fellow Americans but the glory days of the United States are well behind her, get used to it, this is our future. I used to support Bush and defend him when my leftist coworkers berailed him as an idiot, I'm not so sure now they were far off. Idiot or deceived, neither is forgivable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I cannot begin to image the outrage moms and dads,brothers and sisters,wives and husbands who have lost thier loved ones in this &#8220;war&#8221; will now feel. Can you imagine if your only son died for this&#8230;for what ? And would you want your son going over there now, knowing he may die for this ? Bush and his admin. had a complete lack of understanding of Islam and the Middle East. And truth be told we should have stayed out of Iraq (we have only nade Iran teh strong man in the region now) and saved our resources (including US servicemen)for a confrontation with Iran, all along THEY have been the bigger danger then Saddam. But Bush in his pride just had to try and do what his daddy didn&#8217;t finish and look what it has wrought. We will end up selling out Israel and anyone else who thought we actually stood for something. We stand for nothing anymore ! Sorry fellow Americans but the glory days of the United States are well behind her, get used to it, this is our future. I used to support Bush and defend him when my leftist coworkers berailed him as an idiot, I&#8217;m not so sure now they were far off. Idiot or deceived, neither is forgivable.</p>
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		<title>By: Mensa Barbie Welcomes You</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mensa Barbie Welcomes You</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Dec 2006 02:34:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;ISG Report Fails to Address Issue&lt;/strong&gt;

Anything less, is to pit terror upon the Free world, confusing aggression with prevention; and prohibiting function of a World in support of int'l laws. 
Rick Moran posts: THE ISG REPORT: NOT EXACTLY 
“BLOOD, SWEAT, AND TEARS; "Baker botched it. Gi...</description>
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<p>Anything less, is to pit terror upon the Free world, confusing aggression with prevention; and prohibiting function of a World in support of int&#8217;l laws.<br />
Rick Moran posts: THE ISG REPORT: NOT EXACTLY<br />
“BLOOD, SWEAT, AND TEARS; &#8220;Baker botched it. Gi&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Andy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Dec 2006 01:40:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One thing to keep in mind when fighting an insurgency is that often less=more.  In other words, fewer troops may be actually more effective in combating the insurgency.  Our forces don't have the skills or training to referee a sectarian conflict.  In that regard more troops would be counterproductive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One thing to keep in mind when fighting an insurgency is that often less=more.  In other words, fewer troops may be actually more effective in combating the insurgency.  Our forces don&#8217;t have the skills or training to referee a sectarian conflict.  In that regard more troops would be counterproductive.</p>
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		<title>By: Hallfasthero</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hallfasthero</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Dec 2006 23:39:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rick, I don't often agree with you politically but I do respect that you are very willing to cry foul when the circumstances demand it. Admittedly, more so than am I. On Bush ignoring the ISG you are exactly right. Although, to me, the reason is that GWB is trying to just run the clock out on his presidency. He will likely only give lip service to this report at best. His ultimate plan simply is, I fear, to kick the can down the road and leave it for another president to clean the whole mess up. The report from what little I have read does nothing substantial when something very substantial is needed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rick, I don&#8217;t often agree with you politically but I do respect that you are very willing to cry foul when the circumstances demand it. Admittedly, more so than am I. On Bush ignoring the ISG you are exactly right. Although, to me, the reason is that GWB is trying to just run the clock out on his presidency. He will likely only give lip service to this report at best. His ultimate plan simply is, I fear, to kick the can down the road and leave it for another president to clean the whole mess up. The report from what little I have read does nothing substantial when something very substantial is needed.</p>
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		<title>By: ReidBlog</title>
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		<dc:creator>ReidBlog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Dec 2006 21:29:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;'It is over'&lt;/strong&gt;

... that was the quote from NBC's Tim Russert this afternoon, referring to what he says a senior Republican told him on condition of anonymity. The unnamed official was talking about the Iraq war, and the neoconservative dream of building a democrati...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>&#8216;It is over&#8217;</strong></p>
<p>&#8230; that was the quote from NBC&#8217;s Tim Russert this afternoon, referring to what he says a senior Republican told him on condition of anonymity. The unnamed official was talking about the Iraq war, and the neoconservative dream of building a democrati&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: JReid</title>
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		<description>You remain the smartest voice on the right. Good post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You remain the smartest voice on the right. Good post.</p>
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