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	<title>Comments on: THE REFUGEE PROBLEM IN IRAQ: BAD TO WORSE</title>
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		<title>By: zaq</title>
		<link>http://rightwingnuthouse.com/archives/2006/12/15/the-refugee-problem-in-iraq-bad-to-worse/comment-page-1/#comment-444403</link>
		<dc:creator>zaq</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Dec 2006 05:33:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I must add that I do not trust numbers from the UN or reports from the NYT.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I must add that I do not trust numbers from the UN or reports from the NYT.</p>
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		<title>By: zaq</title>
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		<dc:creator>zaq</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Dec 2006 05:32:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If Iran and Syria did not want chaos and violence in Iraq, they would stop supporting the combatants and facilitating the immigration of terrorists into the country.  I would hope the international community would help neither with the problem they have done so much to cause.  I hope our country has more will and more honor than to withdraw from Iraq until order is restored to the country.  I know many in the area are waiting for the last helicopter, and that gives hope to the insurgency, al Qaeda and the militias.  I trust it will not come.

There are areas of Iraq which are safe for the Iraqis if they must leave their homes.  I trust the central government will earn their trust at some point, and they will see less need to leave Iraq.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If Iran and Syria did not want chaos and violence in Iraq, they would stop supporting the combatants and facilitating the immigration of terrorists into the country.  I would hope the international community would help neither with the problem they have done so much to cause.  I hope our country has more will and more honor than to withdraw from Iraq until order is restored to the country.  I know many in the area are waiting for the last helicopter, and that gives hope to the insurgency, al Qaeda and the militias.  I trust it will not come.</p>
<p>There are areas of Iraq which are safe for the Iraqis if they must leave their homes.  I trust the central government will earn their trust at some point, and they will see less need to leave Iraq.</p>
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		<title>By: Doug Ross @ Journal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doug Ross @ Journal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Dec 2006 13:59:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Silvestre Reyes: your next House Intel Chairman!?!&lt;/strong&gt;

I'd like to take a moment to introduce you to Nancy Pelosi's choice for House Intelligence Chairman. Silvestre Reyes (D-TX) took a break from his busy schedule to answer a few questions from Congressional Quarterly. Shhhhhhhhh. Let's listen in...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Silvestre Reyes: your next House Intel Chairman!?!</strong></p>
<p>I&#8217;d like to take a moment to introduce you to Nancy Pelosi&#8217;s choice for House Intelligence Chairman. Silvestre Reyes (D-TX) took a break from his busy schedule to answer a few questions from Congressional Quarterly. Shhhhhhhhh. Let&#8217;s listen in&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: harrison</title>
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		<dc:creator>harrison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Dec 2006 13:39:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Intriguingly enough, the refugee problem might be what it takes to foster nationalistic, secessionist movements by the Azeris, Baluchs, Kurds and ethnic minorities being suppressed in Iran right now.

Think of all the chaos! Persia will not be spared.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Intriguingly enough, the refugee problem might be what it takes to foster nationalistic, secessionist movements by the Azeris, Baluchs, Kurds and ethnic minorities being suppressed in Iran right now.</p>
<p>Think of all the chaos! Persia will not be spared.</p>
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		<title>By: Mensa Barbie Welcomes You</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mensa Barbie Welcomes You</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Dec 2006 02:13:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Karzai: Courage in the Middle East&lt;/strong&gt;

And with all the merging violence in the Middle East, we forget that this is changing History, and while they are displaced, they are "detaching" from years of lack of civility." Patience and perseverance is needed. VIDEO: Karzai speaks of what REAL...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Karzai: Courage in the Middle East</strong></p>
<p>And with all the merging violence in the Middle East, we forget that this is changing History, and while they are displaced, they are &#8220;detaching&#8221; from years of lack of civility.&#8221; Patience and perseverance is needed. VIDEO: Karzai speaks of what REAL&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Schuler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Schuler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Dec 2006 17:12:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I probably should drop this comment over on Nadezhda's post, too.

I wish the NYT article had done a little finer breakdown on just &lt;b&gt;who&lt;/b&gt; is fleeing Iraq.  Their statistics are only raw immigration not net immigration.

Under Saddam thousands (I don't know how many) of Iraqis left Iraq, too.  Assyrians, Chaldeans, Shi'a Arabs from the south of Iraq, many of those fleeing to Iran.  Nearly a million Iraqis left the country fleeing Gulf War I.  Was there immigration into Iraq as well under Saddam?

Note the small number emigrating to Shi'a Iran.  What I suspect we're seeing is Sunni Arabs leaving Iraq and Kurds and Shi'a Arabs returning.  This is apocalyptic if you're a Sunni Arab but probably somewhat less so if you're not.

I'm not saying that the situation in Iraq is not serious nor am I saying that this level of dislocation isn't sad.  I'm just saying that it's difficult to tell much with what we're being given.  It's a narrative rather than a report.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I probably should drop this comment over on Nadezhda&#8217;s post, too.</p>
<p>I wish the NYT article had done a little finer breakdown on just <b>who</b> is fleeing Iraq.  Their statistics are only raw immigration not net immigration.</p>
<p>Under Saddam thousands (I don&#8217;t know how many) of Iraqis left Iraq, too.  Assyrians, Chaldeans, Shi&#8217;a Arabs from the south of Iraq, many of those fleeing to Iran.  Nearly a million Iraqis left the country fleeing Gulf War I.  Was there immigration into Iraq as well under Saddam?</p>
<p>Note the small number emigrating to Shi&#8217;a Iran.  What I suspect we&#8217;re seeing is Sunni Arabs leaving Iraq and Kurds and Shi&#8217;a Arabs returning.  This is apocalyptic if you&#8217;re a Sunni Arab but probably somewhat less so if you&#8217;re not.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not saying that the situation in Iraq is not serious nor am I saying that this level of dislocation isn&#8217;t sad.  I&#8217;m just saying that it&#8217;s difficult to tell much with what we&#8217;re being given.  It&#8217;s a narrative rather than a report.</p>
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		<title>By: a somewhat regular reader</title>
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		<dc:creator>a somewhat regular reader</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Dec 2006 16:32:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One thing which should also be emphasized re this refuge problem is that the people who are leaving Iraq are largely the people Iraq desperately needs if it is ever to become a civil society.  Because the runs who are fleeing are those who can afford to--the educated, middle class professionals.  It is also worth mentioning that these people tend to be more secular and moderate.  They don't have any interest in the various religious factions, many of them are "intermarried" (in the middle class, Sunni-Shia marriages have been common for quite some time).  

The other thing worth mentioning is that this diagram doesn't deal with those who have been internally displaced due to little ethnic cleansing operations.  If those people begin to flood over the borders, then all hell could break loose, particularly in Jordan in Syria, because many of these people are not so moderate or well educated.

The whole situation is a time-bomb, and it is ticking away.  

And I agree that the US policy of only accepting 200 per year is outrageous.  As is the fact that these people have not been given refugee status by the UN (due to US pressure) which would make them eligible for assistance which would in turn take some of  the pressure off of host countries--particularly Jordan.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One thing which should also be emphasized re this refuge problem is that the people who are leaving Iraq are largely the people Iraq desperately needs if it is ever to become a civil society.  Because the runs who are fleeing are those who can afford to&#8211;the educated, middle class professionals.  It is also worth mentioning that these people tend to be more secular and moderate.  They don&#8217;t have any interest in the various religious factions, many of them are &#8220;intermarried&#8221; (in the middle class, Sunni-Shia marriages have been common for quite some time).  </p>
<p>The other thing worth mentioning is that this diagram doesn&#8217;t deal with those who have been internally displaced due to little ethnic cleansing operations.  If those people begin to flood over the borders, then all hell could break loose, particularly in Jordan in Syria, because many of these people are not so moderate or well educated.</p>
<p>The whole situation is a time-bomb, and it is ticking away.  </p>
<p>And I agree that the US policy of only accepting 200 per year is outrageous.  As is the fact that these people have not been given refugee status by the UN (due to US pressure) which would make them eligible for assistance which would in turn take some of  the pressure off of host countries&#8211;particularly Jordan.</p>
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		<title>By: Sirius Familiaris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sirius Familiaris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Dec 2006 15:36:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;One thing these refugees bring to the countries where they flee is instability. And authoritarian regimes like Syria and Iran detest instability. The question is do they fear it enough to stop stirring the pot in Iraq?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Apparently the answer to that question in no, on account of the fact that recently manufactured Iranian made mines(IEDs), ammunition and assault rifles continue to turn up in the hands of the so-called insurgents.

BTW, I don't think you're a tool or a closet lefty. If what you claim is true, then Iran has overplayed its hand by meddling in Afghanistan and Iraq, and the MSM should be investigating it more thoroughly.  But if you're wrong, then Iran is positioning itself to be the last man standing, so to speak.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>One thing these refugees bring to the countries where they flee is instability. And authoritarian regimes like Syria and Iran detest instability. The question is do they fear it enough to stop stirring the pot in Iraq?</p></blockquote>
<p>Apparently the answer to that question in no, on account of the fact that recently manufactured Iranian made mines(IEDs), ammunition and assault rifles continue to turn up in the hands of the so-called insurgents.</p>
<p>BTW, I don&#8217;t think you&#8217;re a tool or a closet lefty. If what you claim is true, then Iran has overplayed its hand by meddling in Afghanistan and Iraq, and the MSM should be investigating it more thoroughly.  But if you&#8217;re wrong, then Iran is positioning itself to be the last man standing, so to speak.</p>
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		<title>By: The Thunder Run</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Thunder Run</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Dec 2006 15:25:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Web Reconnaissance for 12/15/2006&lt;/strong&gt;

A short recon of whatâ€™s out there that might draw your attention.</description>
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<p>A short recon of whatâ€™s out there that might draw your attention.</p>
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		<title>By: gregdn</title>
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		<dc:creator>gregdn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Dec 2006 14:33:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Although we generally are in a weak position to negotiate with Syria and Iran, the refugee issue gives us a little leverage- and should be pursued.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Although we generally are in a weak position to negotiate with Syria and Iran, the refugee issue gives us a little leverage- and should be pursued.</p>
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