If Al-Maliki is not tied in with the death squads, why would he `for months promise tough action against the militias and then do nothing, or worse, complain publicly and bitterly when American forces have confronted the Sadrists?

If Maliki is not tied in with the death squads why has `he has proven in the past to be a spineless jellyfish when it comes to going after al-Sadr?’

You seem quite clueless about Maliki.

You are so strangely frustrated about Al-Maliki’s inaction when it is actually highly IRRATIONAL and SCATTERBRAINED to think/expect that Al-Maliki is going to *change course* after having given the last twenty plus years of his life to the cause of transforming Iraq into a Shiite fundamentalist republic.

Al-Dawa and the SCIRI are not pro-American, pro-Western, etc.

Al-Dawa and the SCIRI are pro-Hizbollah, pro-Iranian, etc.

2. I said there was no evidence to support it.

3. You said that because Maliki and Jabr served in the governmetn together that this was evidence.

4. I still say it is not evidence that Maliki is behind the death squads just because he and the notorious former Interior minister happen to be in the same government.

You can’t change the subject in the middle of the argument. So stop it already. It’s useless trying to discuss someone as scatterbrained as you are.

Is Pres. Bush not tied together with Secretary Paulson ?

There is a lot very public evidence that Bayan Jabr and Al-Maliki are tied together.

Forget it. You have no evidence because there is no evidence. You can believe what ever you want - like Amr and his fantasies.

But please dont insult people’s intelligence by asking them to join you in believing what any rational person rejects.

Bayan Jabr is tied in with Al-Maliki.

Al-Maliki is tied in with Bayan Jabr.

1) From the CIA (Last Updated: 12/18/2006)

Chiefs of State and Cabinet Members of Foreign Governments

Min. of Finance Bayan JABR

2) Iraqi Council of Ministers Presented to the Parliament by Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki May 20, 2006

Baqir Jabr al-Zubaydi (a.k.a. Bayan Jabr), Minister of Finance (Unified Iraqi Coalition - SCIRI)

3) New Iraqi Government Approved By Jim Garamone American Forces Press Service BAGHDAD, May 20, 2006

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Former Interior Minister Bayan Jabr Solagh will serve as finance minister.

4) Bureau of Near Eastern Affairs
October 2006, Background Note: Iraq (www.state.gov)

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Minister of Finance–Bayan Jabr

5) Iraq is failing to spend billions in oil revenues, by James Glanz, New York Times
12/11/2006

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Iraq’s total budget is about $32 billion in 2006 and is projected to be more than $40 billion in 2007, said Bayan Jabr, the Iraqi finance minister, in an interview.

And you’re tellling ME to get real?

Evidence means exactly what it says. Guilt by association is not evidence. It is, in fact, indicative of shallow thinking and paranoia.

C’mon, get real man.

People are being maimed and killed, hundreds of billions are wasted, and you do not even know who is in the Iraqi government.

Bayan Jabr is currently serving as the Finance Minister of Iraq in the government of Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki.

Bayan Jabr is a senior member of the Shiite United Iraqi Alliance and the Supreme Council for the Islamic Revolution in Iraq (SCIRI).

There is not one shred of evidence that Maliki is tied in with Jabr, the former Interior Minister, and the death squads.

Not One. Amr doesn’t have any. No one has any because Jabr was a Badr Brigade member and left Interior before Maliki took office.

If I want al-Jazeera propaganda or Noam Chomsky idiocy on this site, I’ll ask for it.

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The latest media farce is to portray Nouri Al-Maliki as a man out to curb the violence and chaos in our Mesopotamian colony. According to this fable, The Prime Minister is caught between Iraq and a hard place - forced to navigate a treacherous path between a desire to assert the Iraqi State’s monopoly of violence over ‘rogue’ elements in the security forces and the Shia parties that engineered his ascension to power.

There is only one problem with this tale of Maliki’s woes. The Prime Minister is the defacto chairman of the death squads – a radical partisan leader who is out to insure Shia supremacy in the new Iraq. Maliki, Bayan Jabr and Moqtada Sadr are cut of the same ideological cloth. They are men who have spent a lifetime in the quest to convert Iraq into a Shia theocracy – by any means necessary.

The Maliki/Bush videoconference will go down as one of the single most important events that will shape the future of that tormented nation. It was at once a surrender ceremony and a coup d’etat. Maliki walked away with a license to continue operating his death squads and Bush was forced to accept the burden of training more rank and file assassins.

In Iraq, tens of thousands of people have been maimed and murdered and hundreds of billions of dollars have been spent for the sake of a burgeoning fundamentalist Islamic republic which has extremely close and long standing ties to Iran.

That is how it is. That is not going to change.

Plus, when SH was persecuting and murdering pro-Iranian Shiites in the 80s and 90s, the US basically did nothing to stop it.

With that it mind, it is sheer ignorance and/or just plain stupidity to think that Al-Maliki, Al-Hakim, et al are going to become stooges for Bush.

It is a widely known fact that these guys have spent their whole mature lives *fighting* to transform Iraq into a Shiite fundamentalist republic.

This is into whose hands Bush has thrusted the reins of power?

They sure as hell do not forget the blind eye of the US in the 80s and 90s.

How so?

Well, did you know that before the deposing of SH, Iraqis use to sit in teashops to smoke, etc. A hugely popular topic was Ghenghis Khan, i.e. the “SOB” who invaded sacred Bablyon about seven hundred years ago.

If Iraqis cannot forgive/forget Ghenghis Khan, how are they ever going to forgive/forget about the US’ inaction/action in the 80s, 90s, Abu Ghraib, etc.?

The US is screwed.

Not another drop of blood and treasure should be spent propping up this extremist republic which the US will no doubt have to fight in the future.

Here’s more on Al-Dawa…

Excerpt from “The Iran-Iraq War: Struggle Without End” 1984

The Shiite faction, Al Dawa (the Call), was expelled from Iraq in early 1980 by President Hussein.

Drawing its support from the large Shiite population in southeastern Iraq, Al Dawa attempted to establish a fundamentalist Islamic state to replace the secular Ba’ath Socialist government of President Hussein.

The present leader of Al Dawa, Hojatoleslam Mohammed Baqr Hakim, is operating from Tehran where he has directed terrorist attacks against targets throughout
the Middle East.

It is uncertain if Tehran is directly controlling the
activities of Al Dawa abroad or if it is just giving tacit approval for Al Dawa’s activities.

In either case, Iran’s support of Al Dawa is unacceptable and cessation of hostilities favorable to Iraq is now the preferred option for the White House.