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	<description>Politics served up with a smile... And a stilletto.</description>
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		<title>By: jm Burkard</title>
		<link>http://rightwingnuthouse.com/archives/2007/01/23/aftermath/comment-page-1/#comment-508707</link>
		<dc:creator>jm Burkard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Feb 2007 23:15:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How to survive a nucleur explosion, (from 8 priest who did)..

www.http://www.pdtsigns.com/hirosh.html</description>
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		<title>By: Jim Zackey</title>
		<link>http://rightwingnuthouse.com/archives/2007/01/23/aftermath/comment-page-1/#comment-492126</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim Zackey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Jan 2007 22:55:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On both sides of the Atlantic media critics are raising 
questions what the spy-idol opera '24' is actually about. 
The Guardian, London wonders if â€˜24â€™ â€œtrafficking in fearâ€. Is the serial used for softening opinions to sanction heavy-handed approach of the authorities? To Slateâ€™s media editors it appears to be peddling â€œtorture porn.â€ 

While common people are at liberty to the views they fancy, this tendency becomes risky when it affects those who vow to safeguard the American values. Following White House guidelines after Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo Bay regarding what kinds of torture are officially acceptable, many have been struggling with the realization that the use of torture is no longer one of the ways by which you can recognize the bad guys. Not for Foxâ€™s super spy opera star Sutherland's Jack Bauer and his fellow agents, there's never any question of civil liberties or other liberal wimpishness taking precedence over the urgency of their mission, notes British critic Adam Sweeting.

For "24"s Producer, Creator and Writer, Joel Surnow, there's no question that torture can be a legitimate counter-terrorism tool. It's shocking to find this once-deplorable practice embedded in a TV drama, as if it's routine enough to serve as a mere strand in TV's entertainment mix, complains The Independent London.  Surnow's take on torture in the show, and in the war on terror, is a little more controversial as clear from his quote to The Guardian's John Patterson: "I think torture does work. It would work on me! I believe torture has been around since the beginning of time because it works. I just think that for any person in the circumstances that Jack Bauer is in, you'd be a fool not to."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On both sides of the Atlantic media critics are raising<br />
questions what the spy-idol opera &#8216;24&#8242; is actually about.<br />
The Guardian, London wonders if â€˜24â€™ â€œtrafficking in fearâ€. Is the serial used for softening opinions to sanction heavy-handed approach of the authorities? To Slateâ€™s media editors it appears to be peddling â€œtorture porn.â€ </p>
<p>While common people are at liberty to the views they fancy, this tendency becomes risky when it affects those who vow to safeguard the American values. Following White House guidelines after Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo Bay regarding what kinds of torture are officially acceptable, many have been struggling with the realization that the use of torture is no longer one of the ways by which you can recognize the bad guys. Not for Foxâ€™s super spy opera star Sutherland&#8217;s Jack Bauer and his fellow agents, there&#8217;s never any question of civil liberties or other liberal wimpishness taking precedence over the urgency of their mission, notes British critic Adam Sweeting.</p>
<p>For &#8220;24&#8243;s Producer, Creator and Writer, Joel Surnow, there&#8217;s no question that torture can be a legitimate counter-terrorism tool. It&#8217;s shocking to find this once-deplorable practice embedded in a TV drama, as if it&#8217;s routine enough to serve as a mere strand in TV&#8217;s entertainment mix, complains The Independent London.  Surnow&#8217;s take on torture in the show, and in the war on terror, is a little more controversial as clear from his quote to The Guardian&#8217;s John Patterson: &#8220;I think torture does work. It would work on me! I believe torture has been around since the beginning of time because it works. I just think that for any person in the circumstances that Jack Bauer is in, you&#8217;d be a fool not to.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Doug McConnell</title>
		<link>http://rightwingnuthouse.com/archives/2007/01/23/aftermath/comment-page-1/#comment-492062</link>
		<dc:creator>Doug McConnell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Jan 2007 21:14:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just read the post on the previous 24 episode where the rational for not including the casualties from the nuclear attack.  I withdraw my previous comment on the level of the casualty figure for the show.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just read the post on the previous 24 episode where the rational for not including the casualties from the nuclear attack.  I withdraw my previous comment on the level of the casualty figure for the show.</p>
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		<title>By: logprof</title>
		<link>http://rightwingnuthouse.com/archives/2007/01/23/aftermath/comment-page-1/#comment-489495</link>
		<dc:creator>logprof</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jan 2007 15:19:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, who has seen _Blood Diamond_?  Isn't the leader of the mercenaries in that movie Marwan?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, who has seen _Blood Diamond_?  Isn&#8217;t the leader of the mercenaries in that movie Marwan?</p>
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		<title>By: Doug McConnell</title>
		<link>http://rightwingnuthouse.com/archives/2007/01/23/aftermath/comment-page-1/#comment-488132</link>
		<dc:creator>Doug McConnell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jan 2007 05:51:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1) I think the casualty figure for the show is a little low.  There was
a nuclear detonation this episode, after all.  I believe the President
was given 12,000 as an initial estimate.

2) Regarding the identity of Jack's brother, I also like the unexpected
twist.  However, as soon as I saw him, I got a rather disappointing
vision of where the show might me heading.  I have a feeling that due to
the result of the elections, Fox has lost any spine it might have had
and has joined Hollywood's full court press to drive the DNC message to
the population.  That message being the "politics of fear" meme.  I get
the feeling this whole season will grind out the message that fear of
Middle Eastern terrorists is misplaced, that the REAL enemy behind all the terrorism is some SOB American white guy (ie, Jack's brother or maybe even his father).  There is also the double whammy of the SOB American white guy being a member of Jack's family.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1) I think the casualty figure for the show is a little low.  There was<br />
a nuclear detonation this episode, after all.  I believe the President<br />
was given 12,000 as an initial estimate.</p>
<p>2) Regarding the identity of Jack&#8217;s brother, I also like the unexpected<br />
twist.  However, as soon as I saw him, I got a rather disappointing<br />
vision of where the show might me heading.  I have a feeling that due to<br />
the result of the elections, Fox has lost any spine it might have had<br />
and has joined Hollywood&#8217;s full court press to drive the DNC message to<br />
the population.  That message being the &#8220;politics of fear&#8221; meme.  I get<br />
the feeling this whole season will grind out the message that fear of<br />
Middle Eastern terrorists is misplaced, that the REAL enemy behind all the terrorism is some SOB American white guy (ie, Jack&#8217;s brother or maybe even his father).  There is also the double whammy of the SOB American white guy being a member of Jack&#8217;s family.</p>
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		<title>By: leila butler</title>
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		<dc:creator>leila butler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jan 2007 22:46:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Will they ever explain assassinated Palmer's brother being Prez? I suppose he has as much qualification as Obama though since he's black and apparently white liberal guilt demands diversity, even if inexperienced or unqualified? ESPN keeps pointing out there will be two African Americans coaches in Superbowl- so what?

When will Kim, Jack's girfriend and her daddy reappear? Isn't it time for CTU headquarter's  security to be breeched once again and/or another mole plotting mayhem? And wasn't Eric Balfour working in CTU a few seasons back?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Will they ever explain assassinated Palmer&#8217;s brother being Prez? I suppose he has as much qualification as Obama though since he&#8217;s black and apparently white liberal guilt demands diversity, even if inexperienced or unqualified? ESPN keeps pointing out there will be two African Americans coaches in Superbowl- so what?</p>
<p>When will Kim, Jack&#8217;s girfriend and her daddy reappear? Isn&#8217;t it time for CTU headquarter&#8217;s  security to be breeched once again and/or another mole plotting mayhem? And wasn&#8217;t Eric Balfour working in CTU a few seasons back?</p>
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		<title>By: Jennie C.</title>
		<link>http://rightwingnuthouse.com/archives/2007/01/23/aftermath/comment-page-1/#comment-487843</link>
		<dc:creator>Jennie C.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jan 2007 22:37:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#12, you missed something. Graem (got the spelling from the synopsis @ fox.com/24/episodes/) was the one yanking Prexy Jellyfish's chains last season. He knew full-well that Jack was alive.

Not that he would necessarily share that info with the butler...wonder if dad knows.

Regarding his kid, let's not go on resemblances. Face it, Kimmy-babe doesn't look one bit like either Jack *or* Teri (r Graem, for that matter, if we're doing really incestuous theorizing here :).

Leaving the resemblance aside, Jack's REACTION to him is more telling. However, his parentage may be irrelevant. Is Graem going to make it out of the plastic bag??

(and yes, I have seen Cromwell play heavies. And he can act circles around Sutherland Sr, so I can see why they signed him up).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#12, you missed something. Graem (got the spelling from the synopsis @ fox.com/24/episodes/) was the one yanking Prexy Jellyfish&#8217;s chains last season. He knew full-well that Jack was alive.</p>
<p>Not that he would necessarily share that info with the butler&#8230;wonder if dad knows.</p>
<p>Regarding his kid, let&#8217;s not go on resemblances. Face it, Kimmy-babe doesn&#8217;t look one bit like either Jack *or* Teri (r Graem, for that matter, if we&#8217;re doing really incestuous theorizing here :).</p>
<p>Leaving the resemblance aside, Jack&#8217;s REACTION to him is more telling. However, his parentage may be irrelevant. Is Graem going to make it out of the plastic bag??</p>
<p>(and yes, I have seen Cromwell play heavies. And he can act circles around Sutherland Sr, so I can see why they signed him up).</p>
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		<title>By: Johnny Tremaine</title>
		<link>http://rightwingnuthouse.com/archives/2007/01/23/aftermath/comment-page-1/#comment-487842</link>
		<dc:creator>Johnny Tremaine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jan 2007 22:36:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Aaargh! I missed most of last night's episode.  I was flipping back and forth between 24 and Heroes.  Damn you NBC for pitting one of my favorite new shows against another favorite. Daaaaaamn youuuuu...!
Ah well, guess I'll just have to upgrade my cable box from Cablevision and get the DVR.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aaargh! I missed most of last night&#8217;s episode.  I was flipping back and forth between 24 and Heroes.  Damn you NBC for pitting one of my favorite new shows against another favorite. Daaaaaamn youuuuu&#8230;!<br />
Ah well, guess I&#8217;ll just have to upgrade my cable box from Cablevision and get the DVR.</p>
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		<title>By: Valor</title>
		<link>http://rightwingnuthouse.com/archives/2007/01/23/aftermath/comment-page-1/#comment-487831</link>
		<dc:creator>Valor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jan 2007 22:13:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Question:
When Jack talked to Sam (the butler at his father's house), Sam said something along the lines that he had no idea Jack was even alive--a fact which did not seem to be in question by Graham, and Graham even knew that Jack was in China, which is odd because Jack was only [publicly]in the land of the living for one day--last season.

Did I miss something, or is this the reason that Jack knew his brother was not...forthright?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Question:<br />
When Jack talked to Sam (the butler at his father&#8217;s house), Sam said something along the lines that he had no idea Jack was even alive&#8211;a fact which did not seem to be in question by Graham, and Graham even knew that Jack was in China, which is odd because Jack was only [publicly]in the land of the living for one day&#8211;last season.</p>
<p>Did I miss something, or is this the reason that Jack knew his brother was not&#8230;forthright?</p>
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		<title>By: leucanthemum b</title>
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		<dc:creator>leucanthemum b</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jan 2007 21:42:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When you say you expect Walid to convert or die early, you're forgetting this is the product of Hollywood writers you're talking about.  My money is on his converting some detained terrorist away from violence... just before he's killed.  

After all, terrorists have feelings, too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When you say you expect Walid to convert or die early, you&#8217;re forgetting this is the product of Hollywood writers you&#8217;re talking about.  My money is on his converting some detained terrorist away from violence&#8230; just before he&#8217;s killed.  </p>
<p>After all, terrorists have feelings, too.</p>
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