Comments on: ELECTION WORKERS IN OHIO GUILTY OF RIGGING RECOUNT (UPDATED) http://rightwingnuthouse.com/archives/2007/01/25/dem-election-workers-in-ohio-guilty-of-rigging-recount/ Politics served up with a smile... And a stilletto. Sat, 09 May 2026 23:04:30 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.7 hourly 1 By: anonymous http://rightwingnuthouse.com/archives/2007/01/25/dem-election-workers-in-ohio-guilty-of-rigging-recount/comment-page-1/#comment-501692 anonymous Sat, 03 Feb 2007 16:47:53 +0000 http://rightwingnuthouse.com/archives/2007/01/25/dem-election-workers-in-ohio-guilty-of-rigging-recount/#comment-501692 OHIO 2004: 6.15% Kerry-Bush vote-switch found in probability study How Kerry Votes Were Switched to Bush Votes http://jqjacobs.net/politics/ohio.html "In a sample of 166,953 votes (1/34th of the Ohio vote), the Kerry-Bush margin changes 6.15% when the population is sorted by outcomes of wrong-precinct voting. "The 6.15% vote-switch differential is seen when the large sample is sorted by probability a Kerry wrong-precinct vote counts for Bush. When the same large voter sample is sorted by the probability Kerry cross-votes count for third-party candidates, Kerry votes are instead equal in both subsets." A second, separate and larger sample confirms the pattern. OHIO 2004: 6.15% Kerry-Bush vote-switch found in probability study

How Kerry Votes Were Switched to Bush Votes
http://jqjacobs.net/politics/ohio.html

“In a sample of 166,953 votes (1/34th of the Ohio vote),
the Kerry-Bush margin changes 6.15% when the population
is sorted by outcomes of wrong-precinct voting.

“The 6.15% vote-switch differential is seen when the large
sample is sorted by probability a Kerry wrong-precinct
vote counts for Bush. When the same large voter sample is
sorted by the probability Kerry cross-votes count for
third-party candidates, Kerry votes are instead equal in both subsets.”

A second, separate and larger sample confirms the pattern.

]]> By: Jefferson http://rightwingnuthouse.com/archives/2007/01/25/dem-election-workers-in-ohio-guilty-of-rigging-recount/comment-page-1/#comment-490356 Jefferson Fri, 26 Jan 2007 12:34:07 +0000 http://rightwingnuthouse.com/archives/2007/01/25/dem-election-workers-in-ohio-guilty-of-rigging-recount/#comment-490356 apologies for what you considered an "awkward insult." But, what other conclusion could you draw from the depth of political knowledge demonstrated by the mass of our fellow citizens. Sophist? I don't think so. In case you missed the point, I was not heaving insults at you, but rather pointing to a turn of phrase that has deranged the correct orientation of the representatives from the represented. Using the term leaders masks the control that we are supposed to have of our government. Rick, may I call you Rick, you are hardly someone disconnected, serially lazy, or constitutinally illiterate (I think you misunderstand my point). My description of politicians as mediocre theives was hardly intended as a constitutional allusion it is mere opinion. Examine the record of spending, re-distribution, and corruption in the congress and tell me I am wrong. If you feel comfortable with the term leaders, then so be it. apologies for what you considered an “awkward insult.” But, what other conclusion could you draw from the depth of political knowledge demonstrated by the mass of our fellow citizens. Sophist? I don’t think so.

In case you missed the point, I was not heaving insults at you, but rather pointing to a turn of phrase that has deranged the correct orientation of the representatives from the represented. Using the term leaders masks the control that we are supposed to have of our government. Rick, may I call you Rick, you are hardly someone disconnected, serially lazy, or constitutinally illiterate (I think you misunderstand my point). My description of politicians as mediocre theives was hardly intended as a constitutional allusion it is mere opinion. Examine the record of spending, re-distribution, and corruption in the congress and tell me I am wrong.

If you feel comfortable with the term leaders, then so be it.

]]> By: Controversial Elections of 2000 and 2004 - Liberal Values - Defending Liberty and Enlightened Thought http://rightwingnuthouse.com/archives/2007/01/25/dem-election-workers-in-ohio-guilty-of-rigging-recount/comment-page-1/#comment-489991 Controversial Elections of 2000 and 2004 - Liberal Values - Defending Liberty and Enlightened Thought Fri, 26 Jan 2007 04:20:27 +0000 http://rightwingnuthouse.com/archives/2007/01/25/dem-election-workers-in-ohio-guilty-of-rigging-recount/#comment-489991 [...] There sure seems to be a lot of talk of stolen elections around the blogosphere today. Several blogs, such as Michael Oates Palmer at Huffington Post, note the conviction in Ohio and try to tie it into Robert F. Kennedy, Jr’s Rolling Stone article. While there are certainly flaws in the election system which need to be fixed, I already discussed how this case provides no evidence of a stolen election. Even Right Wing Nut House does a better job of covering this story than much of the reality based community. [...] [...] There sure seems to be a lot of talk of stolen elections around the blogosphere today. Several blogs, such as Michael Oates Palmer at Huffington Post, note the conviction in Ohio and try to tie it into Robert F. Kennedy, Jr’s Rolling Stone article. While there are certainly flaws in the election system which need to be fixed, I already discussed how this case provides no evidence of a stolen election. Even Right Wing Nut House does a better job of covering this story than much of the reality based community. [...]

]]> By: Iowa Voice http://rightwingnuthouse.com/archives/2007/01/25/dem-election-workers-in-ohio-guilty-of-rigging-recount/comment-page-1/#comment-489982 Iowa Voice Fri, 26 Jan 2007 04:10:51 +0000 http://rightwingnuthouse.com/archives/2007/01/25/dem-election-workers-in-ohio-guilty-of-rigging-recount/#comment-489982 <strong>More “They Stole Ohio” Nonsense</strong> Cue the nutroots’ conspiracy theories all over again: Two election workers in the state’s most populous county were convicted Wednesday of illegally rigging the 2004 presidential election recoun… ... More “They Stole Ohio” Nonsense

Cue the nutroots’ conspiracy theories all over again:
Two election workers in the state’s most populous county were convicted Wednesday of illegally rigging the 2004 presidential election recoun…

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]]> By: Rick Moran http://rightwingnuthouse.com/archives/2007/01/25/dem-election-workers-in-ohio-guilty-of-rigging-recount/comment-page-1/#comment-489871 Rick Moran Fri, 26 Jan 2007 01:36:39 +0000 http://rightwingnuthouse.com/archives/2007/01/25/dem-election-workers-in-ohio-guilty-of-rigging-recount/#comment-489871 Jefferson: And you sir are a sophist. "Mediocre theives" is hardly a descriptive used by the founders in the constitution to describe our elected LEADERS. Who's "constitutionally illiterate?" Stop flinging feces like a five year old. And btw - "serially lazy" is one of the more awkward insults ever left at this site. Congrats on your ignorance. Jefferson:

And you sir are a sophist. “Mediocre theives” is hardly a descriptive used by the founders in the constitution to describe our elected LEADERS.

Who’s “constitutionally illiterate?”

Stop flinging feces like a five year old. And btw - “serially lazy” is one of the more awkward insults ever left at this site. Congrats on your ignorance.

]]> By: Jefferson http://rightwingnuthouse.com/archives/2007/01/25/dem-election-workers-in-ohio-guilty-of-rigging-recount/comment-page-1/#comment-489854 Jefferson Fri, 26 Jan 2007 01:03:16 +0000 http://rightwingnuthouse.com/archives/2007/01/25/dem-election-workers-in-ohio-guilty-of-rigging-recount/#comment-489854 Sir, you simply must stop using the term "leaders." These are not our leaders, they are our representatives. We do not need them, they need us, but somehow the serially lazy and the constitutionally illiterate insist on elevating these mediocre thieves to some god-like status. Sir, you simply must stop using the term “leaders.” These are not our leaders, they are our representatives. We do not need them, they need us, but somehow the serially lazy and the constitutionally illiterate insist on elevating these mediocre thieves to some god-like status.

]]> By: The Thunder Run http://rightwingnuthouse.com/archives/2007/01/25/dem-election-workers-in-ohio-guilty-of-rigging-recount/comment-page-1/#comment-489658 The Thunder Run Thu, 25 Jan 2007 18:47:53 +0000 http://rightwingnuthouse.com/archives/2007/01/25/dem-election-workers-in-ohio-guilty-of-rigging-recount/#comment-489658 <strong>Web Reconnaissance for 01/25/2007</strong> A short recon of what’s out there that might draw your attention. Web Reconnaissance for 01/25/2007

A short recon of what’s out there that might draw your attention.

]]> By: Michelle Malkin http://rightwingnuthouse.com/archives/2007/01/25/dem-election-workers-in-ohio-guilty-of-rigging-recount/comment-page-1/#comment-489560 Michelle Malkin Thu, 25 Jan 2007 16:49:07 +0000 http://rightwingnuthouse.com/archives/2007/01/25/dem-election-workers-in-ohio-guilty-of-rigging-recount/#comment-489560 <strong>Election incompetence, not conspiracy, in Ohio</strong> A couple of convictions just handed down (via the Cleveland Plain Dealer): A jury found two Cuyahoga County elections workers guilty Wednesday of charges that they skirted Board of Elections procedures to thwart a countywide ballot recount after the di... Election incompetence, not conspiracy, in Ohio

A couple of convictions just handed down (via the Cleveland Plain Dealer): A jury found two Cuyahoga County elections workers guilty Wednesday of charges that they skirted Board of Elections procedures to thwart a countywide ballot recount after the di…

]]> By: Sirius Familiaris http://rightwingnuthouse.com/archives/2007/01/25/dem-election-workers-in-ohio-guilty-of-rigging-recount/comment-page-1/#comment-489524 Sirius Familiaris Thu, 25 Jan 2007 15:55:08 +0000 http://rightwingnuthouse.com/archives/2007/01/25/dem-election-workers-in-ohio-guilty-of-rigging-recount/#comment-489524 Damn, I knew I forgot something... Happy Birthday, Rick! Damn, I knew I forgot something…

Happy Birthday, Rick!

]]> By: Sirius Familiaris http://rightwingnuthouse.com/archives/2007/01/25/dem-election-workers-in-ohio-guilty-of-rigging-recount/comment-page-1/#comment-489522 Sirius Familiaris Thu, 25 Jan 2007 15:53:12 +0000 http://rightwingnuthouse.com/archives/2007/01/25/dem-election-workers-in-ohio-guilty-of-rigging-recount/#comment-489522 The degree to which the infamous Florida "hanging chad" resulted in Bush's election remains questionable, but perhaps one of the inmates here at RN can explain the subtelties of antique voting booths... My wife and I moved from St. Paul, MN, to a small town in upstate NY three years ago. This last election was the first one in which I actually went to my designated polling place since moving to NY (I voted by absentee ballot in previous elections.) In Minnesota, we filled out a ballot and it was read by an optical scanner. Here, we enter a booth, flip a bunch of switches and pull a lever to cast the ballot. We never see a piece of paper or receive any kind of confirmation that the votes reflect the choices we make. If I can't see my ballot before it's cast, how do I know my vote is being accurately recorded? Local and state politics in NY are highly dubious in any case, and the fact that we continue using 100 year old technology to vote doesn't exactly inspire confidence in the process. But then again, in a one-party state like NY, do voting procedures - regardless of how hopelessly outdated they may be - really have any bearing on the outcomes of elections? The degree to which the infamous Florida “hanging chad” resulted in Bush’s election remains questionable, but perhaps one of the inmates here at RN can explain the subtelties of antique voting booths…

My wife and I moved from St. Paul, MN, to a small town in upstate NY three years ago. This last election was the first one in which I actually went to my designated polling place since moving to NY (I voted by absentee ballot in previous elections.) In Minnesota, we filled out a ballot and it was read by an optical scanner. Here, we enter a booth, flip a bunch of switches and pull a lever to cast the ballot. We never see a piece of paper or receive any kind of confirmation that the votes reflect the choices we make.

If I can’t see my ballot before it’s cast, how do I know my vote is being accurately recorded? Local and state politics in NY are highly dubious in any case, and the fact that we continue using 100 year old technology to vote doesn’t exactly inspire confidence in the process.

But then again, in a one-party state like NY, do voting procedures - regardless of how hopelessly outdated they may be - really have any bearing on the outcomes of elections?

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