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		<title>By: MIKE</title>
		<link>http://rightwingnuthouse.com/archives/2007/03/02/cpac-reveals-conservative-fractures/comment-page-1/#comment-555672</link>
		<dc:creator>MIKE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Mar 2007 23:16:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm happy someone else corrected that the quote attributed to Marshall was made by Justice Stewart.

I LOVE McCain.  He has balls, which 99% of politicians lack.  He is DEAD wrong on immigration but great on everything else, including McCain Feingold which doesnt go nearly far enough.  Taking ALL the BIG money out of politics is THEE MOST democratic measure possible.  Spending money is no more speech than is nude dancing or flipping someone the bird.  They are all expressive forms.  Publically financed elections, term limits, spending caps on congress are all things I could see McCain supporting.  pLus he's a hawk on defense and has been saying for OVER 3 years that we've NEVER gad enough boots on the ground in Iraq.  Personally, I think we need a draft with NO deferments or exceptions for anyone who is physically and mentally qualified.  2 years and your out.

Most Conservatives will pander to the sex loathing bible belt crowd, as did Bush, but then govern as a capitalist and echo the lies about how improitant capital gains tax cuts are for the economy.  No bright hoesnt person truly beleives that. As a policy matter we shoudl awlays FAVOR labor over capital.  McCain is not as doctrinaire as some of the real wing nuts, like Mitch McConnell (the guy makes my skin crawl) and might actually support policies that make sense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m happy someone else corrected that the quote attributed to Marshall was made by Justice Stewart.</p>
<p>I LOVE McCain.  He has balls, which 99% of politicians lack.  He is DEAD wrong on immigration but great on everything else, including McCain Feingold which doesnt go nearly far enough.  Taking ALL the BIG money out of politics is THEE MOST democratic measure possible.  Spending money is no more speech than is nude dancing or flipping someone the bird.  They are all expressive forms.  Publically financed elections, term limits, spending caps on congress are all things I could see McCain supporting.  pLus he&#8217;s a hawk on defense and has been saying for OVER 3 years that we&#8217;ve NEVER gad enough boots on the ground in Iraq.  Personally, I think we need a draft with NO deferments or exceptions for anyone who is physically and mentally qualified.  2 years and your out.</p>
<p>Most Conservatives will pander to the sex loathing bible belt crowd, as did Bush, but then govern as a capitalist and echo the lies about how improitant capital gains tax cuts are for the economy.  No bright hoesnt person truly beleives that. As a policy matter we shoudl awlays FAVOR labor over capital.  McCain is not as doctrinaire as some of the real wing nuts, like Mitch McConnell (the guy makes my skin crawl) and might actually support policies that make sense.</p>
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		<title>By: ChrisO</title>
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		<dc:creator>ChrisO</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Mar 2007 09:47:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post, Rick. I agree 100%.

For me, one of the most significant aspects of the social conservative takeover is the way that the culture of fundamentalism has been imported into the GOP. People who hold contrary views aren't just misguided, they're sinners or enemies to be converted or destroyed. The Bible trumps science and the rights of non-Christians are to be disregarded. Criticism of your own side is treasonous. The pastor (or President in this case) is guided by God and it's wrong to criticise or even question his judgment. The world is divided into saints and sinners, with no shades of grey. 

Put simply, it's a culture of authoritarianism combined with a Manichean worldview. We've all seen the consequences - the unquestioning support for the Iraq disaster, the degraded political discourse back home, the anti-evolution battles across the US, the refusal by the GOP Congress to scrutinise the Administration, and so on. It's a very, very dangerous development, particularly if a future GOP president decided he would sincerely support the social conservative agenda rather than just giving it lip service as Bush did. Go look up "clerical fascism" to see where this can ultimately lead.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post, Rick. I agree 100%.</p>
<p>For me, one of the most significant aspects of the social conservative takeover is the way that the culture of fundamentalism has been imported into the GOP. People who hold contrary views aren&#8217;t just misguided, they&#8217;re sinners or enemies to be converted or destroyed. The Bible trumps science and the rights of non-Christians are to be disregarded. Criticism of your own side is treasonous. The pastor (or President in this case) is guided by God and it&#8217;s wrong to criticise or even question his judgment. The world is divided into saints and sinners, with no shades of grey. </p>
<p>Put simply, it&#8217;s a culture of authoritarianism combined with a Manichean worldview. We&#8217;ve all seen the consequences - the unquestioning support for the Iraq disaster, the degraded political discourse back home, the anti-evolution battles across the US, the refusal by the GOP Congress to scrutinise the Administration, and so on. It&#8217;s a very, very dangerous development, particularly if a future GOP president decided he would sincerely support the social conservative agenda rather than just giving it lip service as Bush did. Go look up &#8220;clerical fascism&#8221; to see where this can ultimately lead.</p>
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		<title>By: Russell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Russell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Mar 2007 04:02:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sturm Ruger hits the nail on the head: there is no longer any place in the GOP for those of us who believe in civil liberty. We might be libertarian or independent or Democrat, depending on our views on  economic issues and foreign policy. But the GOP has declared us its enemy. And that is why I've been voting against the GOP for the last few years, and will continue to do so until it again welcomes those who believe in personal freedom.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sturm Ruger hits the nail on the head: there is no longer any place in the GOP for those of us who believe in civil liberty. We might be libertarian or independent or Democrat, depending on our views on  economic issues and foreign policy. But the GOP has declared us its enemy. And that is why I&#8217;ve been voting against the GOP for the last few years, and will continue to do so until it again welcomes those who believe in personal freedom.</p>
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		<title>By: Sturm Ruger</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sturm Ruger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Mar 2007 01:37:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What is it with Republicans who want the GOP to offer no significant choices between it and the Democrat Party on social issues, anyway?   

Many of these people, IMO, should go to the libertarian site or to Political Compass and take the quizzes.  They may be suprised to learn that they are libertarians, not conservatives. 

The attempt to make the GOP into a big-tent party is what's responsible for the edeep divides in the Republican Party, IMO.

The ACU's David Keene wrote that Ronald Reagan attracted Democrats who shared the his concerns about big government, high taxes, cultural degeneration and the need for strength in a dangerous world. They were attracted, Keene says, "by Reaganâ€™s personality and, more importantly, by his ability to articulate shared values that convinced them that he and his new Republican Party were worth supporting."

If we remove the concern for cultural degeneration from those Reagan attributes which attracted many to his cause, we are left with a forced coaltion of Republicans which is not what Reagan was about.

As a social and fiscal conservative, my ideal candidate for the GOP presidential nomination is Duncan Hunter, but I realize that the MSM will never allow him to gain the name recognition he neeeds to win both the nomination and the general election.

I'm sure Rudy is a fine fellow, as is Joe Lieberman.  While I admire them both, I wouldn't be comfortable with either one in the White House.

Perhaps Fred Thompson will take the advice of the many conservatives who are urging him to throw his hat in the ring.

On the ACU's grading scale, Sen. Thompson earned a rating of 85%, just 5 points more conservative than John McCain's rating. while the On The Issues website classifies Thompason as a "Moderate Populist Conservative," he's conservative enough for me. I'm even willing to let his stance on immigration pass, even though it's a key issue for me.

Fred Thompson has "star power" and is a great communicator.  He's also an actor.  Hmmm.  Who do that remind me of...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What is it with Republicans who want the GOP to offer no significant choices between it and the Democrat Party on social issues, anyway?   </p>
<p>Many of these people, IMO, should go to the libertarian site or to Political Compass and take the quizzes.  They may be suprised to learn that they are libertarians, not conservatives. </p>
<p>The attempt to make the GOP into a big-tent party is what&#8217;s responsible for the edeep divides in the Republican Party, IMO.</p>
<p>The ACU&#8217;s David Keene wrote that Ronald Reagan attracted Democrats who shared the his concerns about big government, high taxes, cultural degeneration and the need for strength in a dangerous world. They were attracted, Keene says, &#8220;by Reaganâ€™s personality and, more importantly, by his ability to articulate shared values that convinced them that he and his new Republican Party were worth supporting.&#8221;</p>
<p>If we remove the concern for cultural degeneration from those Reagan attributes which attracted many to his cause, we are left with a forced coaltion of Republicans which is not what Reagan was about.</p>
<p>As a social and fiscal conservative, my ideal candidate for the GOP presidential nomination is Duncan Hunter, but I realize that the MSM will never allow him to gain the name recognition he neeeds to win both the nomination and the general election.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure Rudy is a fine fellow, as is Joe Lieberman.  While I admire them both, I wouldn&#8217;t be comfortable with either one in the White House.</p>
<p>Perhaps Fred Thompson will take the advice of the many conservatives who are urging him to throw his hat in the ring.</p>
<p>On the ACU&#8217;s grading scale, Sen. Thompson earned a rating of 85%, just 5 points more conservative than John McCain&#8217;s rating. while the On The Issues website classifies Thompason as a &#8220;Moderate Populist Conservative,&#8221; he&#8217;s conservative enough for me. I&#8217;m even willing to let his stance on immigration pass, even though it&#8217;s a key issue for me.</p>
<p>Fred Thompson has &#8220;star power&#8221; and is a great communicator.  He&#8217;s also an actor.  Hmmm.  Who do that remind me of&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: UberMitch</title>
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		<dc:creator>UberMitch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Mar 2007 22:46:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Justice Marshallâ€™s observation on obscenity being something not definable but recognized when seen&lt;/i&gt;
You're paraphrasing Justice Potter Stewart, not Justice Thurgood Marshall.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Justice Marshallâ€™s observation on obscenity being something not definable but recognized when seen</i><br />
You&#8217;re paraphrasing Justice Potter Stewart, not Justice Thurgood Marshall.</p>
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		<title>By: r4d20</title>
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		<dc:creator>r4d20</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Mar 2007 22:36:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm also tired of seeing so-called "conservatives" copy their tactics directly from the playbook of the "lefties" they claim to oppose.

A small, but recent, example: The concept of an enlightened political "vanguard" is as anti-conservative as you can get, and was an integral part of the political philosophy of Lenin that led directly to the mass executions under Soviet rule. Yet what is the name of the "rightwing answer to MoveOn.org"?  Vanguard.org!

Sorry guys.  The "vanguard" mentality, with it's inherent rationalization for  both ignoring &#38; crushing all dissent, was more responsible for the horrors of the communist regimes than their economic ideas. Sure, their economic ideas were dumb, but it was the belief that the naysayers could, and should, be liquidated that led to the camps and firing squads. 

Sadly, too many idiots have let themselves be impressed by the temporary success of the vanguard ideal and have fooled themselves into thinking that they can harness it without giving in to the temptations it brings.  They are wrong and they prove it more and more each day.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m also tired of seeing so-called &#8220;conservatives&#8221; copy their tactics directly from the playbook of the &#8220;lefties&#8221; they claim to oppose.</p>
<p>A small, but recent, example: The concept of an enlightened political &#8220;vanguard&#8221; is as anti-conservative as you can get, and was an integral part of the political philosophy of Lenin that led directly to the mass executions under Soviet rule. Yet what is the name of the &#8220;rightwing answer to MoveOn.org&#8221;?  Vanguard.org!</p>
<p>Sorry guys.  The &#8220;vanguard&#8221; mentality, with it&#8217;s inherent rationalization for  both ignoring &amp; crushing all dissent, was more responsible for the horrors of the communist regimes than their economic ideas. Sure, their economic ideas were dumb, but it was the belief that the naysayers could, and should, be liquidated that led to the camps and firing squads. </p>
<p>Sadly, too many idiots have let themselves be impressed by the temporary success of the vanguard ideal and have fooled themselves into thinking that they can harness it without giving in to the temptations it brings.  They are wrong and they prove it more and more each day.</p>
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		<title>By: r4d20</title>
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		<dc:creator>r4d20</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Mar 2007 22:05:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I stopped calling myself a conservative around 2003-2004 because of the reaction I got from other "conservatives" to any criticism of the presidents policies - or even to criticism of the ridiculous 24-Cult that elevates a fictional creation of Hollywood writers into a model of counter-terrorist wisdom.  

Rick said it well "I am what I am and I believe what I believe" and I wont sellout my principles just to stay on some "team".  To paraphrase Tacitus "I am ruled by my party only insofar as I will ever let myself be ruled", which is to say, hardly at all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I stopped calling myself a conservative around 2003-2004 because of the reaction I got from other &#8220;conservatives&#8221; to any criticism of the presidents policies - or even to criticism of the ridiculous 24-Cult that elevates a fictional creation of Hollywood writers into a model of counter-terrorist wisdom.  </p>
<p>Rick said it well &#8220;I am what I am and I believe what I believe&#8221; and I wont sellout my principles just to stay on some &#8220;team&#8221;.  To paraphrase Tacitus &#8220;I am ruled by my party only insofar as I will ever let myself be ruled&#8221;, which is to say, hardly at all.</p>
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		<title>By: Transplanted Lawyer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Transplanted Lawyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Mar 2007 21:08:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Right on target, Rick.  A political party is a coalition of a variety of interest groups, and the GOP needs to keep its house in order and not allow any one of those groups to dominate its agenda or, more importantly, its image.  I'm a big Rudy Giuliani fan, and I see a lot of promise in his recent call for the GOP to become the "party of freedom," and an opportunity to demonstrate that Republicans are not all part of the monolithic social conservative bloc that you write about.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Right on target, Rick.  A political party is a coalition of a variety of interest groups, and the GOP needs to keep its house in order and not allow any one of those groups to dominate its agenda or, more importantly, its image.  I&#8217;m a big Rudy Giuliani fan, and I see a lot of promise in his recent call for the GOP to become the &#8220;party of freedom,&#8221; and an opportunity to demonstrate that Republicans are not all part of the monolithic social conservative bloc that you write about.</p>
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		<title>By: Dennis Sanders</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dennis Sanders</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Mar 2007 18:06:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wonderful post.  Although I am younger, I do understand where you are coming from.  I'm still involved with the GOP at this point because I've done the 3rd party and that hasn't done much.  I'm toying with the idea of writing up some kind of conservative version of the Euston Manifesto and I'm looking for people who are interested in working with me.  Would you be interested?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wonderful post.  Although I am younger, I do understand where you are coming from.  I&#8217;m still involved with the GOP at this point because I&#8217;ve done the 3rd party and that hasn&#8217;t done much.  I&#8217;m toying with the idea of writing up some kind of conservative version of the Euston Manifesto and I&#8217;m looking for people who are interested in working with me.  Would you be interested?</p>
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		<title>By: Gayle Miller</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gayle Miller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Mar 2007 17:39:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don't know who made you feel unwelcome in the Republican Party - but you are not.  And I'm speaking as someone who is a GENETIC Republican who then chose to be a CONSERVATIVE Republican. Both my parents were Republicans; my father's entire family are Republicans.  My great uncle was a Republican Senator from Ohio, my grandfather was very integral to Ohio Republican politics and as a young woman, I helped build the largest young Republican Party in the state of Ohio.  So I choose to call myself a genetic Republican for a reason.

There may be points of disagreement between the various philosophies within the Republican Party - that is to be expected.  However, I do not think (at least I hope I'm right about this) that Republicans are not as prone to shouting down opinions with which they disagree as are Democrats.  I could be wrong; I hope I'm not.

I think what you and a lot of other people are experiencing is the increasing lack of civility within the political landscape and, even more troubling, the inability to LISTEN being seen on all sides of the political spectrum.

Perhaps all we can do is resolve to start LISTENING to each other and attempting to really HEAR what the other is saying. And you're right - another political party is not the answer.

(My mischievous side really does hope that Ralph Nader runs though!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know who made you feel unwelcome in the Republican Party - but you are not.  And I&#8217;m speaking as someone who is a GENETIC Republican who then chose to be a CONSERVATIVE Republican. Both my parents were Republicans; my father&#8217;s entire family are Republicans.  My great uncle was a Republican Senator from Ohio, my grandfather was very integral to Ohio Republican politics and as a young woman, I helped build the largest young Republican Party in the state of Ohio.  So I choose to call myself a genetic Republican for a reason.</p>
<p>There may be points of disagreement between the various philosophies within the Republican Party - that is to be expected.  However, I do not think (at least I hope I&#8217;m right about this) that Republicans are not as prone to shouting down opinions with which they disagree as are Democrats.  I could be wrong; I hope I&#8217;m not.</p>
<p>I think what you and a lot of other people are experiencing is the increasing lack of civility within the political landscape and, even more troubling, the inability to LISTEN being seen on all sides of the political spectrum.</p>
<p>Perhaps all we can do is resolve to start LISTENING to each other and attempting to really HEAR what the other is saying. And you&#8217;re right - another political party is not the answer.</p>
<p>(My mischievous side really does hope that Ralph Nader runs though!)</p>
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