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		<title>By: S Knabt</title>
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		<dc:creator>S Knabt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 May 2007 19:23:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"It is reasonable in that it attacks Iran economically not to hurt the population but to hit the mullahs where it counts..."

Rick, your statement makes no sense in the context of the story you quote which clearly states one of the purposes of the CIA's covert operation was "manipulation of Iranâ€™s currency." Unless it's your contention only the mullahs spend Iranian currency.

This reminds of a BBC special I saw a while back talking about the neocon movement. Founded by Leo Strauss, at its foundation, is the notion of building a modern mythology for America to rally around.

Back during the early years of the Reagan administration, some officials wanted to push Reagan away from his belief the Soviets held similar interests of all people and could be reasonably bargained with. A book - I forget its title - was very popular at the time linking the Soviets to most of the world's terrorists. They sold that thesis to William Casey, director of the CIA, who sold it to Reagan.

The irony is most of the facts linking the Soviets and the terrorists were sourced back to CIA black ops disinformation. Even when Casey was confronted with the truth he preferred the lies.

So your argument - as with the neocons back then - is lying for a good cause is okay. Hey, in the case with Reagan it led to an arms race which helped topple the Soviets, clearly a good thing.

But it could put US negotiators (or their surrogates) in a position of sitting across the table from the Iranians only to have them throw all this back into our faces.

How like is a CIA campaign of propaganda, lies, and currency manipulation likely to have the desired result of them giving up nuclear ambitions? How much more likely is it to have the exact opposite effect by increasing their paranoia and desperation?

The story was likely leaked by government officials horrified by the stupidity of the plan. Given the track record of the incompetent Bush administration who can blame them?

Lets hope the ABC story forces something smart out of the Bushies though I'm not at all optimistic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;It is reasonable in that it attacks Iran economically not to hurt the population but to hit the mullahs where it counts&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>Rick, your statement makes no sense in the context of the story you quote which clearly states one of the purposes of the CIA&#8217;s covert operation was &#8220;manipulation of Iranâ€™s currency.&#8221; Unless it&#8217;s your contention only the mullahs spend Iranian currency.</p>
<p>This reminds of a BBC special I saw a while back talking about the neocon movement. Founded by Leo Strauss, at its foundation, is the notion of building a modern mythology for America to rally around.</p>
<p>Back during the early years of the Reagan administration, some officials wanted to push Reagan away from his belief the Soviets held similar interests of all people and could be reasonably bargained with. A book - I forget its title - was very popular at the time linking the Soviets to most of the world&#8217;s terrorists. They sold that thesis to William Casey, director of the CIA, who sold it to Reagan.</p>
<p>The irony is most of the facts linking the Soviets and the terrorists were sourced back to CIA black ops disinformation. Even when Casey was confronted with the truth he preferred the lies.</p>
<p>So your argument - as with the neocons back then - is lying for a good cause is okay. Hey, in the case with Reagan it led to an arms race which helped topple the Soviets, clearly a good thing.</p>
<p>But it could put US negotiators (or their surrogates) in a position of sitting across the table from the Iranians only to have them throw all this back into our faces.</p>
<p>How like is a CIA campaign of propaganda, lies, and currency manipulation likely to have the desired result of them giving up nuclear ambitions? How much more likely is it to have the exact opposite effect by increasing their paranoia and desperation?</p>
<p>The story was likely leaked by government officials horrified by the stupidity of the plan. Given the track record of the incompetent Bush administration who can blame them?</p>
<p>Lets hope the ABC story forces something smart out of the Bushies though I&#8217;m not at all optimistic.</p>
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		<title>By: debunker-of-neocon-lies</title>
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		<dc:creator>debunker-of-neocon-lies</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 May 2007 17:37:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Al Queda in Iraq is about 2% of the insurgency.I guess Shia killing Sunnis somehow isn't a civi war? Go sell that bunk somewhere else fight4theright, here people are informed,not neo-con kool-aid drinkers like you.I believe Bush insiders "leaked" this info, not exactly sure why but who can figure out the keystone cops that make up the bushies.Bush has made Irans influence grow by invading Iraq,Iran knows were tied down there, thats why their so cocky.Bush will go down in history in the same light as Nixon hubris and arrogance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Al Queda in Iraq is about 2% of the insurgency.I guess Shia killing Sunnis somehow isn&#8217;t a civi war? Go sell that bunk somewhere else fight4theright, here people are informed,not neo-con kool-aid drinkers like you.I believe Bush insiders &#8220;leaked&#8221; this info, not exactly sure why but who can figure out the keystone cops that make up the bushies.Bush has made Irans influence grow by invading Iraq,Iran knows were tied down there, thats why their so cocky.Bush will go down in history in the same light as Nixon hubris and arrogance.</p>
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		<title>By: NixGuy.com &#187; Iran Destabilized</title>
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		<dc:creator>NixGuy.com &#187; Iran Destabilized</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 May 2007 11:30:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Also see RWN and RW Nuthouse who says: When the history of these times is written 100 years from now â€“ that is, if the west is vouchsafed such a luxury as surviving that long â€“ historians will view the role of the free press in the western world with a combination of confusion and awe. Confusion because they will look in vain for evidence that many in the media were actually working for the enemies of freedom, so often it seemed they played directly into their hands or seemed to do their bidding. And a feeling of awe that those professing to be so intelligent could act with such towering idiocy and irresponsibility:   Filed under: Military, Iran by &#8212; Dave @ 7:04 am [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Also see RWN and RW Nuthouse who says: When the history of these times is written 100 years from now â€“ that is, if the west is vouchsafed such a luxury as surviving that long â€“ historians will view the role of the free press in the western world with a combination of confusion and awe. Confusion because they will look in vain for evidence that many in the media were actually working for the enemies of freedom, so often it seemed they played directly into their hands or seemed to do their bidding. And a feeling of awe that those professing to be so intelligent could act with such towering idiocy and irresponsibility:   Filed under: Military, Iran by &#8212; Dave @ 7:04 am [...]</p>
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		<title>By: doriangrey</title>
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		<dc:creator>doriangrey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 May 2007 00:36:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I e-mailed this message to my congressman and my senator as well as to both the president and the vice president. I strongly urge all readers here to do likewise.

As a registered voter I am demanding that you instigate a criminal investigation into the ABC leaking of covert action authorized by the current administration against Iran. 

http://blogs.abcnews.com/theblotter/2007/05/bush_authorizes.html#comment-70457046

Both the actions of the anonymous sources and those of ABC in publishing this story clearly rise to the level of treason and US constitutional law requires that it be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I e-mailed this message to my congressman and my senator as well as to both the president and the vice president. I strongly urge all readers here to do likewise.</p>
<p>As a registered voter I am demanding that you instigate a criminal investigation into the ABC leaking of covert action authorized by the current administration against Iran. </p>
<p><a href="http://blogs.abcnews.com/theblotter/2007/05/bush_authorizes.html#comment-70457046" rel="nofollow">http://blogs.abcnews.com/theblotter/2007/05/bush_authorizes.html#comment-70457046</a></p>
<p>Both the actions of the anonymous sources and those of ABC in publishing this story clearly rise to the level of treason and US constitutional law requires that it be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.</p>
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		<title>By: Macsmind - Conservative Commentary and Common Sense</title>
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		<dc:creator>Macsmind - Conservative Commentary and Common Sense</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 May 2007 00:32:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Blogswarm to have Brian Ross fired from ABC...&lt;/strong&gt;

I called for it earlier today.  As of 6pm I had over 200 emails in response mostly demanding that ABC fire Brian Ross and Richard Esposito for reporting the story that has placed in service ops lives in danger (yes, this true), and endangered our Natio...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Blogswarm to have Brian Ross fired from ABC&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>I called for it earlier today.  As of 6pm I had over 200 emails in response mostly demanding that ABC fire Brian Ross and Richard Esposito for reporting the story that has placed in service ops lives in danger (yes, this true), and endangered our Natio&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Fight4TheRight</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fight4TheRight</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 May 2007 22:52:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Since ABC seems very eager to be on the cutting edge and wants to broadcast revolutionary new details before ANYONE else in the MSM, here's two earth-shattering "hot news tips" for ABC:

1.  The U.S. Military is fighting Al Qaeda in Iraq!

2.  There is no civil war in Iraq!

Now, I just need to make sure I watch for these stories tomorrow morning with Diane Sawyer!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since ABC seems very eager to be on the cutting edge and wants to broadcast revolutionary new details before ANYONE else in the MSM, here&#8217;s two earth-shattering &#8220;hot news tips&#8221; for ABC:</p>
<p>1.  The U.S. Military is fighting Al Qaeda in Iraq!</p>
<p>2.  There is no civil war in Iraq!</p>
<p>Now, I just need to make sure I watch for these stories tomorrow morning with Diane Sawyer!</p>
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		<title>By: NavyHelo</title>
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		<dc:creator>NavyHelo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 May 2007 21:36:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, having worked with Iranian Naval Officers, it occurs to me that they do not have to watch our media to divine what is in their best interest, nor that what our government is doing is not in their best interests. One might even suspect that their intelligence about our plans against Iran is more accurate than our knowledge about what Iran intends to do to counter US influence in the ME.

Just one of the differences between a Democracy and a Theocratic Dictatorship!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, having worked with Iranian Naval Officers, it occurs to me that they do not have to watch our media to divine what is in their best interest, nor that what our government is doing is not in their best interests. One might even suspect that their intelligence about our plans against Iran is more accurate than our knowledge about what Iran intends to do to counter US influence in the ME.</p>
<p>Just one of the differences between a Democracy and a Theocratic Dictatorship!</p>
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		<title>By: Andy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 May 2007 21:19:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Everyone seems to assume the CIA is the intelligence community.  It is one small part of it and this leak could have come from a variety of agencies, not just the CIA.

Frankly, I don't think the anti-Bush faction of the IC that were most likely responsible for previous leaks is responsible for this one since it would be counter-productive to their alleged goals.  More likely, imo, is that it's from individuals who did not like the fact that covert action was put ahead of military confrontation.  If covert action gets torpedoed then a military solution to Iran becomes more likely.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Everyone seems to assume the CIA is the intelligence community.  It is one small part of it and this leak could have come from a variety of agencies, not just the CIA.</p>
<p>Frankly, I don&#8217;t think the anti-Bush faction of the IC that were most likely responsible for previous leaks is responsible for this one since it would be counter-productive to their alleged goals.  More likely, imo, is that it&#8217;s from individuals who did not like the fact that covert action was put ahead of military confrontation.  If covert action gets torpedoed then a military solution to Iran becomes more likely.</p>
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		<title>By: tHePeOPle</title>
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		<dc:creator>tHePeOPle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 May 2007 19:53:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why can't we just get on with destroying Iran and ridding the world of evil for good? What they really need is a democratically elected government, like the one they used to have before we... oh, right. Either way, the main stream media needs to grow a set of red white and blue balls and start loving America. All they've managed to do so far is act as a (engorged) tool for the administr... oh, right.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why can&#8217;t we just get on with destroying Iran and ridding the world of evil for good? What they really need is a democratically elected government, like the one they used to have before we&#8230; oh, right. Either way, the main stream media needs to grow a set of red white and blue balls and start loving America. All they&#8217;ve managed to do so far is act as a (engorged) tool for the administr&#8230; oh, right.</p>
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		<title>By: Drongo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Drongo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 May 2007 18:51:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I must confess, I had assumed that this was already going on, along with some support for terrorist groups within Iran. I would have been surprised (though not that surprised given past performance) to have found out that this sort of thing wasn't going on.

While I'm in two minds as to whether the public interest in knowing what your government is doing outweighs the obvious security issues with publishing in this case, I doubt very much that the Iranians watched ABC and thought "By Allah's Beard! The Americans don't like our nuclear program and they are working to undermine us! Why did we not know about this?" 

Enemies they may be, downright stupid they aren't.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I must confess, I had assumed that this was already going on, along with some support for terrorist groups within Iran. I would have been surprised (though not that surprised given past performance) to have found out that this sort of thing wasn&#8217;t going on.</p>
<p>While I&#8217;m in two minds as to whether the public interest in knowing what your government is doing outweighs the obvious security issues with publishing in this case, I doubt very much that the Iranians watched ABC and thought &#8220;By Allah&#8217;s Beard! The Americans don&#8217;t like our nuclear program and they are working to undermine us! Why did we not know about this?&#8221; </p>
<p>Enemies they may be, downright stupid they aren&#8217;t.</p>
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