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		<title>By: hapmoorii</title>
		<link>http://rightwingnuthouse.com/archives/2007/05/30/obama-enters-national-health-care-bidding-war/comment-page-1/#comment-720033</link>
		<dc:creator>hapmoorii</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jun 2007 19:08:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It seems several of the commenters here have very little negative experience with the health care system.  Let's go through a few facts.

- My wife is uninsurable outside of a large group plan because of an easily managed (through medication) blood condition.

- For a period of two years, my wife paid some $30/day out of pocket for a medication she needed.  The same medicine is 1/3 the cost in Canada.  The actual cost to insurance?  $100/day.

- My employer (less than 5 employees) is uninsurable (in terms of cost, over $2k/month per person for garbage coverage some 10 years ago).

- I can't hire anyone because I can't offer health insurance coverage so I outsource the jobs to India.

- Our state high risk pool offers a $7,500 deductible at $300/month with a $500k max. lifetime.  There are other options...that's just the one that we considered.

I could go on and on with examples.  I'm not what Obama would call the wealthiest Americans, but we get by pretty comfortably.  If health care is affecting our employment and lifestyle decisions, I can't begin to imagine what it's doing to others who are less fortunate.  

We have a couple of choices.  We can become more like Canada or the UK and socialize it, or we can really let the free market work and get rid of the idiotic warranty/insurance system we run today.  The article is right...Republicans need to step up to the plate and offer some solutions.  All we hear is keeping the free-market status-quo in place in what is obviously not a free-market.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems several of the commenters here have very little negative experience with the health care system.  Let&#8217;s go through a few facts.</p>
<p>- My wife is uninsurable outside of a large group plan because of an easily managed (through medication) blood condition.</p>
<p>- For a period of two years, my wife paid some $30/day out of pocket for a medication she needed.  The same medicine is 1/3 the cost in Canada.  The actual cost to insurance?  $100/day.</p>
<p>- My employer (less than 5 employees) is uninsurable (in terms of cost, over $2k/month per person for garbage coverage some 10 years ago).</p>
<p>- I can&#8217;t hire anyone because I can&#8217;t offer health insurance coverage so I outsource the jobs to India.</p>
<p>- Our state high risk pool offers a $7,500 deductible at $300/month with a $500k max. lifetime.  There are other options&#8230;that&#8217;s just the one that we considered.</p>
<p>I could go on and on with examples.  I&#8217;m not what Obama would call the wealthiest Americans, but we get by pretty comfortably.  If health care is affecting our employment and lifestyle decisions, I can&#8217;t begin to imagine what it&#8217;s doing to others who are less fortunate.  </p>
<p>We have a couple of choices.  We can become more like Canada or the UK and socialize it, or we can really let the free market work and get rid of the idiotic warranty/insurance system we run today.  The article is right&#8230;Republicans need to step up to the plate and offer some solutions.  All we hear is keeping the free-market status-quo in place in what is obviously not a free-market.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Crawford</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Crawford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 May 2007 12:05:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What's the "health care crisis"? Why is it the business of the federal government?

Why the hell should I be on the hook for paying more of the routine expenses of other people?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What&#8217;s the &#8220;health care crisis&#8221;? Why is it the business of the federal government?</p>
<p>Why the hell should I be on the hook for paying more of the routine expenses of other people?</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 May 2007 04:44:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you very much for sharing your thoughts. It is always great pleasure to read your posts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you very much for sharing your thoughts. It is always great pleasure to read your posts.</p>
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		<title>By: rockdalian</title>
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		<dc:creator>rockdalian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 May 2007 00:29:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Health insurance should be like auto insurance in that I purchase a plan and it stays with me, not my employer. If states can mandate auto insurance that even the poor have to pay for why can't the same be done for health insurance? Too simple?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Health insurance should be like auto insurance in that I purchase a plan and it stays with me, not my employer. If states can mandate auto insurance that even the poor have to pay for why can&#8217;t the same be done for health insurance? Too simple?</p>
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		<title>By: Andy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2007 20:14:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I really like &lt;a href="http://theglitteringeye.com/?p=2936" rel="nofollow"&gt;Dave Schuler's&lt;/a&gt; criticism of Obama's plan as well as his identification of real root of the problem - health care costs:

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Just for the record, I think that our healthcare system has a problem but that it isnâ€™t an insurance problem. Healthcare insurance is expensive because healthcare is expensive. I donâ€™t think that healthcare costs can be brought down (without causing a public health problem) either by extending healthcare insurance to everybodyâ€”both sides of the cost equation need to be addressed. We need a substantially increased supply of healthcare as well as keeping the demand for healthcare within our means.

And no universal coverage plan will survive open borders.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really like <a href="http://theglitteringeye.com/?p=2936" rel="nofollow">Dave Schuler&#8217;s</a> criticism of Obama&#8217;s plan as well as his identification of real root of the problem - health care costs:</p>
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Just for the record, I think that our healthcare system has a problem but that it isnâ€™t an insurance problem. Healthcare insurance is expensive because healthcare is expensive. I donâ€™t think that healthcare costs can be brought down (without causing a public health problem) either by extending healthcare insurance to everybodyâ€”both sides of the cost equation need to be addressed. We need a substantially increased supply of healthcare as well as keeping the demand for healthcare within our means.</p>
<p>And no universal coverage plan will survive open borders.
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		<title>By: Chip</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chip</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2007 18:17:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&#62;Itâ€™s only a crisis because itâ€™s been trumpeted as such for years in the media.

Chris, you must be joking.  If that's actually your opinion, you must not only have a wonderful health insurance plan but are unaware of the most basic blight of the lower class. 

And it must be the media's collective fabrication that healthcare costs $2.3 trillion annually, mostly on treating the uninsured and chronically ill, right?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;Itâ€™s only a crisis because itâ€™s been trumpeted as such for years in the media.</p>
<p>Chris, you must be joking.  If that&#8217;s actually your opinion, you must not only have a wonderful health insurance plan but are unaware of the most basic blight of the lower class. </p>
<p>And it must be the media&#8217;s collective fabrication that healthcare costs $2.3 trillion annually, mostly on treating the uninsured and chronically ill, right?</p>
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		<title>By: Students For Higher Achievement &#187; Blog Archive &#187; May 30, 2007</title>
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		<dc:creator>Students For Higher Achievement &#187; Blog Archive &#187; May 30, 2007</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2007 17:23:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] OBAMA ENTERS NATIONAL HEALTH CARE BIDDING WARAnd that s to sidestep the weird reality that what drives health care politics is concern over money which, in fact, is quite rational: Folks don t want to go bankrupt, and smart politicians don t want the government to lose all space &#8230; [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] OBAMA ENTERS NATIONAL HEALTH CARE BIDDING WARAnd that s to sidestep the weird reality that what drives health care politics is concern over money which, in fact, is quite rational: Folks don t want to go bankrupt, and smart politicians don t want the government to lose all space &#8230; [...]</p>
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		<title>By: J.H. Bowden</title>
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		<dc:creator>J.H. Bowden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2007 16:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"We subsidize housing and families. Why not health insurance?"

Because when you give things away for free, you increase demand without limit, which creates market distortions throughout an economy. The government underwrites almost 50% of health costs in the United States.

"Now clearly, market forces alone wonâ€™t work to insure the uninsured or bring better health care options to those whose current plans are inadequate."

Sure they can. Look at how the cost of LASIK surgery has plummeted over the last few years. Get the government to butt out, and then the market will work like it always does-- high costs bring in more suppliers who try to grab market share increasing quality and/or quantity, or doing the same thing cheaper.

Putting the uninsured on a government waiting lists is not the correct way to fix the healthcare crisis. We need to reform Medicaid along the same lines of welfare, we need remove the restrictions on HSAs, and we need change the tax policy to remove the incentives to place third parties between doctors and patients. The Democrats' plan will turn our country into Europe, with which will virtually eliminate choice, kill innovation, drastically reduce the development of new high tech treatments and medications, and enforce the use of less technology. In short we need to preserve what is correct about American health care -- the market -- and reduce the monster that is causing the problem: the government.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;We subsidize housing and families. Why not health insurance?&#8221;</p>
<p>Because when you give things away for free, you increase demand without limit, which creates market distortions throughout an economy. The government underwrites almost 50% of health costs in the United States.</p>
<p>&#8220;Now clearly, market forces alone wonâ€™t work to insure the uninsured or bring better health care options to those whose current plans are inadequate.&#8221;</p>
<p>Sure they can. Look at how the cost of LASIK surgery has plummeted over the last few years. Get the government to butt out, and then the market will work like it always does&#8211; high costs bring in more suppliers who try to grab market share increasing quality and/or quantity, or doing the same thing cheaper.</p>
<p>Putting the uninsured on a government waiting lists is not the correct way to fix the healthcare crisis. We need to reform Medicaid along the same lines of welfare, we need remove the restrictions on HSAs, and we need change the tax policy to remove the incentives to place third parties between doctors and patients. The Democrats&#8217; plan will turn our country into Europe, with which will virtually eliminate choice, kill innovation, drastically reduce the development of new high tech treatments and medications, and enforce the use of less technology. In short we need to preserve what is correct about American health care &#8212; the market &#8212; and reduce the monster that is causing the problem: the government.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2007 14:43:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It's only a crisis because it's been trumpeted as such for years in the media.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s only a crisis because it&#8217;s been trumpeted as such for years in the media.</p>
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		<title>By: Barack Obama&#8217;s Health Care Plan -- Misunderestimation</title>
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		<dc:creator>Barack Obama&#8217;s Health Care Plan -- Misunderestimation</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2007 14:18:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Narcissistic Views on News/Politics: The costs will be high and quickly get out of control. Its a nice plan in terms of Obama giving himself some talking points, but realistically its garbage.  Right Wing Nut House: The biggest question I have are the uninsured and their responsibility to the rest of us. Since many of the uninsured appear to be younger, employed Americans who simply donâ€™t want to pay for coverage, how do we include them in the insurance pool?  The Glittering Eye: Just for the record, I think that our healthcare system has a problem but that it isnâ€™t an insurance problem. Healthcare insurance is expensive because healthcare is expensive. I donâ€™t think that healthcare costs can be brought down (without causing a public health problem) either by extending healthcare insurance to everybodyâ€”both sides of the cost equation need to be addressed. We need a substantially increased supply of healthcare as well as keeping the demand for healthcare within our means. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Narcissistic Views on News/Politics: The costs will be high and quickly get out of control. Its a nice plan in terms of Obama giving himself some talking points, but realistically its garbage.  Right Wing Nut House: The biggest question I have are the uninsured and their responsibility to the rest of us. Since many of the uninsured appear to be younger, employed Americans who simply donâ€™t want to pay for coverage, how do we include them in the insurance pool?  The Glittering Eye: Just for the record, I think that our healthcare system has a problem but that it isnâ€™t an insurance problem. Healthcare insurance is expensive because healthcare is expensive. I donâ€™t think that healthcare costs can be brought down (without causing a public health problem) either by extending healthcare insurance to everybodyâ€”both sides of the cost equation need to be addressed. We need a substantially increased supply of healthcare as well as keeping the demand for healthcare within our means. [...]</p>
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