I’ll go tell the Boat Person I know that you feel vindicated. I’m sure he’ll be pleased.

What a cop out. Of Course the radical left was going to oppose this war and propagandize against it - anyone with half a brain knew that beforehand. Its not the job of Iraq war opponents to shut up - its the job of the it’s supporters to make a better case… a job that they totally failed to do well!!!!

Saying the Libs or the MSM “sapped our will to fight” by publishing (completely true) stories of carbombs and mass carnage is a pathetic cop out made by people who dont have the balls to accept their failure to shore up that will.

They blame their countrymen for not having the balls for a long fight - but it was the war supporters who, through 2002, loudly proclaimed we would be out of Iraq in less than 1 year. Then they had 3 years to make a case for staying that would resonate with America and again they chose to tell comforting lies - telling us it was the “last throws” of some “dead enders” rather than making the case for the necessity of a longer conflict.

And only NOW that they can no longer maintain support by continuing to lie about how easy it will be do they feel it opportune to tell the public the hard, inconvenient truth about how we need to be prepared for a long conflict - and then fret because people don’t believe their predictions of what will happen if we leave. Well,its their own damn fault. Like the Boy Who Cried Wolf, they lied so much about so many, mostly trivial, things that it is now THEIR fault, no one else’s, if people don’t believe them when they actually are telling the truth.

The Left may have invented the notion of “false consciousness” but today it is the Right that embraces the concept the most and it is utterly pathetic. Like a terrible salesman who blames the customer for their own shortcoming, facing overwhelming majority opposition to their cause they are reduced to blaming the very people they wanted to win over - their own countrymen - for weakness in the face of so-called leftist subversion. The truth is that it wasn’t “subversion” that cost them the support of the people - it was their own lies!!!

Red is temporary. Dead is permanent. Keep talking tough though.

IMO, it’s not up to us to “split the country into 3.” First of all, the Iraqi government, despite its many faults, is the internationally recognized government of Iraq. The US simply cannot step in and dismantle that and create some artificiality of our own. One reason Iraq is the screwed-up mess it is today is because of British meddling with borders after WWI and the defeat of the Ottomans. The US has neither the authority, nor the expertise to unilaterally dismember a state into 3, even if it were possible to do so.

Secondly, there are other options.

Maybe I’m naive, but let’s throw out some options. Splitting the country into 3, installling our own puppet gov’t and Constitution, giving the current gov’t a deadline that if they don’t accomplish certain goals by certain dates, we’re leaving, etc.

I agree partially with gregn that many on the right will blame you, the media and many others for “losing” the war.

For everyone else here, please read this article on what the surge is and is not by one of its architects. It’s the best summary yet and should dispel a lot of myths.