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		<title>By: shyspeak.net &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Senate Sleepover a Bust</title>
		<link>http://rightwingnuthouse.com/archives/2007/07/18/a-surreal-debate/comment-page-1/#comment-804661</link>
		<dc:creator>shyspeak.net &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Senate Sleepover a Bust</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2007 20:22:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Right Wing Nuthouse pokes holes in Senator Reid&#8217;s reasoning. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: r4d20</title>
		<link>http://rightwingnuthouse.com/archives/2007/07/18/a-surreal-debate/comment-page-1/#comment-804438</link>
		<dc:creator>r4d20</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2007 17:23:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Im sick of these "pussy filibusters" where no one actually has to sacrifice their time.  If they want to filibuster let them actually take to the floor and read a book or something.  Dont just let them signal their "intention" to filibuster to get the advantages without having to do actually do anything, which is the way we do it now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Im sick of these &#8220;pussy filibusters&#8221; where no one actually has to sacrifice their time.  If they want to filibuster let them actually take to the floor and read a book or something.  Dont just let them signal their &#8220;intention&#8221; to filibuster to get the advantages without having to do actually do anything, which is the way we do it now.</p>
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		<title>By: tHePeOPle</title>
		<link>http://rightwingnuthouse.com/archives/2007/07/18/a-surreal-debate/comment-page-1/#comment-804397</link>
		<dc:creator>tHePeOPle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2007 16:54:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is why I love politics so much. It's just pure F'ING insanity. 

Republicans spend like six whole years F'ING up the country. Literally. They get booted in the election, then they sit back and screw with, and laugh at, the Dems as they struggle pathetically to fix the mess. It's classic.

I'm so happy to be an independant.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is why I love politics so much. It&#8217;s just pure F&#8217;ING insanity. </p>
<p>Republicans spend like six whole years F&#8217;ING up the country. Literally. They get booted in the election, then they sit back and screw with, and laugh at, the Dems as they struggle pathetically to fix the mess. It&#8217;s classic.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m so happy to be an independant.</p>
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		<title>By: leo</title>
		<link>http://rightwingnuthouse.com/archives/2007/07/18/a-surreal-debate/comment-page-1/#comment-803936</link>
		<dc:creator>leo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2007 09:18:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rick Moran,

you say the Democrats play the blame game and don't have a viable solution for Iraq. 

With that you are right, of course.

But does that not also apply to the Republicans?

Why not attack both sides, when your critique attacks playing the blame game and lack of a viable policy for Iraq?

The blame game is inevitable - as long as you are willing to concede that there has to be responsibility and accountability in politics. Those who led the USA into the predicament should be held to account. 

But it is NOT ONLY the blame game.

Almost 70% of the US voters do back now what the Democrats presented to the Senate. Why should the Democrats not demand the Republican Senators to vote pro or against partial withdrawal? That is legitimate politics, I dare say.

The Democrats' proposal certainly is not about "Dunkirk evacuation". There is not so much pressure on the "enduring bases" that this might become necessary soon. It is about a partial withdrawal, and a new strategy. Democrat Senators, different to part of their own basis, do not opt in favour of a complete withdrawal - at least not right now. 

There is not any really good solution to the Iraq desaster. Most Americans now - and me and you, too - would prefer one or other version of the Baker-Hamilton plan. Some Republican Senators do so, too. So there might be a majority, 60 or more votes in the Senate for that option.

Why are these Republicans not willing to allow a majority vote in the Senate?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rick Moran,</p>
<p>you say the Democrats play the blame game and don&#8217;t have a viable solution for Iraq. </p>
<p>With that you are right, of course.</p>
<p>But does that not also apply to the Republicans?</p>
<p>Why not attack both sides, when your critique attacks playing the blame game and lack of a viable policy for Iraq?</p>
<p>The blame game is inevitable - as long as you are willing to concede that there has to be responsibility and accountability in politics. Those who led the USA into the predicament should be held to account. </p>
<p>But it is NOT ONLY the blame game.</p>
<p>Almost 70% of the US voters do back now what the Democrats presented to the Senate. Why should the Democrats not demand the Republican Senators to vote pro or against partial withdrawal? That is legitimate politics, I dare say.</p>
<p>The Democrats&#8217; proposal certainly is not about &#8220;Dunkirk evacuation&#8221;. There is not so much pressure on the &#8220;enduring bases&#8221; that this might become necessary soon. It is about a partial withdrawal, and a new strategy. Democrat Senators, different to part of their own basis, do not opt in favour of a complete withdrawal - at least not right now. </p>
<p>There is not any really good solution to the Iraq desaster. Most Americans now - and me and you, too - would prefer one or other version of the Baker-Hamilton plan. Some Republican Senators do so, too. So there might be a majority, 60 or more votes in the Senate for that option.</p>
<p>Why are these Republicans not willing to allow a majority vote in the Senate?</p>
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		<title>By: Bart Smith</title>
		<link>http://rightwingnuthouse.com/archives/2007/07/18/a-surreal-debate/comment-page-1/#comment-803712</link>
		<dc:creator>Bart Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2007 06:42:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bye the way He ain't the greatest President but he sure outshines the Democrats choice of John Kerry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bye the way He ain&#8217;t the greatest President but he sure outshines the Democrats choice of John Kerry.</p>
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		<title>By: Bart Smith</title>
		<link>http://rightwingnuthouse.com/archives/2007/07/18/a-surreal-debate/comment-page-1/#comment-803706</link>
		<dc:creator>Bart Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2007 06:39:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Kids Iraq is a mess, but your worthless Dem's in congress are contributing absolutely zero towards a real solution..  the last time I looked Sen. Kennedy's name was very prominent on the document. As far as BS look closer to home!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Kids Iraq is a mess, but your worthless Dem&#8217;s in congress are contributing absolutely zero towards a real solution..  the last time I looked Sen. Kennedy&#8217;s name was very prominent on the document. As far as BS look closer to home!!</p>
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		<title>By: johnuw93</title>
		<link>http://rightwingnuthouse.com/archives/2007/07/18/a-surreal-debate/comment-page-1/#comment-803596</link>
		<dc:creator>johnuw93</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2007 04:43:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"Despite warnings of catastrophe in Iraq if we pull out precipitously from just about every analyst who has bothered to look at the problem of our disengagement â€“ good, smart people from both parties and both ends of the political spectrum â€“ the Democrats insisted on going to the mattresses last night in their war against a man that they have allowed their hate and loathing to overtake any semblance of common sense and patriotism."

Couple of problems here. Evidently, Maliki does not agree that catastrophe will ensue if US soldiers leave. He says, go any time. Most Iraqis agree. A number of analysts have outlined likely scenarios after departure that do not spell disaster, unless you consider Halliburton's prospects an important factor. The other is that the author is so persuaded of the obvious rationality of his own position that no reason for opposing it can exist save hatred for George Bush. Why hate Bush? He is just one more empty suit representative of his class. He may be a particularly obnoxious one, but they'd throw up another one if he were not available. Take Giuliani, or Romney, say. Or Hillary Clinton, for that matter. The problem is not personal animus against W. It is the policy. Yawl need to realize that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Despite warnings of catastrophe in Iraq if we pull out precipitously from just about every analyst who has bothered to look at the problem of our disengagement â€“ good, smart people from both parties and both ends of the political spectrum â€“ the Democrats insisted on going to the mattresses last night in their war against a man that they have allowed their hate and loathing to overtake any semblance of common sense and patriotism.&#8221;</p>
<p>Couple of problems here. Evidently, Maliki does not agree that catastrophe will ensue if US soldiers leave. He says, go any time. Most Iraqis agree. A number of analysts have outlined likely scenarios after departure that do not spell disaster, unless you consider Halliburton&#8217;s prospects an important factor. The other is that the author is so persuaded of the obvious rationality of his own position that no reason for opposing it can exist save hatred for George Bush. Why hate Bush? He is just one more empty suit representative of his class. He may be a particularly obnoxious one, but they&#8217;d throw up another one if he were not available. Take Giuliani, or Romney, say. Or Hillary Clinton, for that matter. The problem is not personal animus against W. It is the policy. Yawl need to realize that.</p>
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		<title>By: Analogboy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Analogboy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2007 02:43:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Uh, I think Bart was kidding dude.

And I don't get it...With almost 70% of this country against this war, a Democratic attempt to end it is pandering to it's "base"

qed, 70% of the country = the Democratic party's base.  no wonder Republicans are scared.  that's not even counting swing voters or those who dont even vote in the primaries.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Uh, I think Bart was kidding dude.</p>
<p>And I don&#8217;t get it&#8230;With almost 70% of this country against this war, a Democratic attempt to end it is pandering to it&#8217;s &#8220;base&#8221;</p>
<p>qed, 70% of the country = the Democratic party&#8217;s base.  no wonder Republicans are scared.  that&#8217;s not even counting swing voters or those who dont even vote in the primaries.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Helgerson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe Helgerson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2007 01:44:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Bart it was your bonehead president and McCain pushing the amnesty bill, don't start your bs propaganda here.Sure victory is just around the corner in Iraq, even though there has been no political progress from the Maliki government. Wake up people, Iraqs a mess and staying there won't help. Let the gop stand by their man, the Democrats will increase their majorities in both Houses. Let the goopers follow the boy king right off a cliff.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Bart it was your bonehead president and McCain pushing the amnesty bill, don&#8217;t start your bs propaganda here.Sure victory is just around the corner in Iraq, even though there has been no political progress from the Maliki government. Wake up people, Iraqs a mess and staying there won&#8217;t help. Let the gop stand by their man, the Democrats will increase their majorities in both Houses. Let the goopers follow the boy king right off a cliff.</p>
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		<title>By: Bart Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bart Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jul 2007 21:59:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Rick, Look at the bright side, while the Democrats are posturing about the war without taking any accountability or responsibility for their actions! Their not wasting money on worthless welfare programs or trying to shove Amnesty down our throats!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Rick, Look at the bright side, while the Democrats are posturing about the war without taking any accountability or responsibility for their actions! Their not wasting money on worthless welfare programs or trying to shove Amnesty down our throats!!</p>
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