Comments on: MAKING THE CASE FOR A LONG TERM COMMITMENT TO IRAQ http://rightwingnuthouse.com/archives/2007/08/08/making-the-case-for-a-long-term-commitment-to-iraq/ Politics served up with a smile... And a stilletto. Wed, 27 May 2026 10:23:47 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.7 hourly 1 By: mannning http://rightwingnuthouse.com/archives/2007/08/08/making-the-case-for-a-long-term-commitment-to-iraq/comment-page-1/#comment-841171 mannning Fri, 10 Aug 2007 01:32:32 +0000 http://rightwingnuthouse.com/archives/2007/08/08/making-the-case-for-a-long-term-commitment-to-iraq/#comment-841171 One thought that gives me some hope that, in the event of a Democratic victory in 2008, the winners would very likely change their tune dramatically. It is one thing to execute a nasty and ridiculous political war against an Administration, and something entirely different to run the nation during a real conflict. This is completely possible given the two-faced politics practiced by the Left. Thus, if they are faced with the realities in Iraq and the rest of the world, perhaps they will find the will to carry out our obligations and moral commitments to the Iraqi. Or, maybe not...history is not kind to the Democrats on this point. One thought that gives me some hope that, in the event of a Democratic victory in 2008, the winners would very likely change their tune dramatically. It is one thing to execute a nasty and ridiculous political war against an Administration, and something entirely different to run the nation during a real conflict. This is completely possible given the two-faced politics practiced by the Left. Thus, if they are faced with the realities in Iraq and the rest of the world, perhaps they will find the will to carry out our obligations and moral commitments to the Iraqi.

Or, maybe not…history is not kind to the Democrats on this point.

]]> By: Rick Moran http://rightwingnuthouse.com/archives/2007/08/08/making-the-case-for-a-long-term-commitment-to-iraq/comment-page-1/#comment-841023 Rick Moran Thu, 09 Aug 2007 21:23:48 +0000 http://rightwingnuthouse.com/archives/2007/08/08/making-the-case-for-a-long-term-commitment-to-iraq/#comment-841023 rene: I know it's a novel idea and it might not have occurred to you, but maybe, just maybe, you might want to, you know, READ THE DAMN POST! Cordesman is saying that we have a long term commitment to Iraq whether we have any troops there or not. Agree, disagree, throw up, or fall asleep - I don't care. But when someone is so eager to blather on with their talking points that they don't even bother to read what I write, it pisses me off. rene:

I know it’s a novel idea and it might not have occurred to you, but maybe, just maybe, you might want to, you know, READ THE DAMN POST!

Cordesman is saying that we have a long term commitment to Iraq whether we have any troops there or not. Agree, disagree, throw up, or fall asleep - I don’t care. But when someone is so eager to blather on with their talking points that they don’t even bother to read what I write, it pisses me off.

]]> By: rene http://rightwingnuthouse.com/archives/2007/08/08/making-the-case-for-a-long-term-commitment-to-iraq/comment-page-1/#comment-841019 rene Thu, 09 Aug 2007 21:19:50 +0000 http://rightwingnuthouse.com/archives/2007/08/08/making-the-case-for-a-long-term-commitment-to-iraq/#comment-841019 I wonder how all the voices that call for staying in Iraq until stability is attained will feel about the institution of a draft, which would be necessary to continue the long fight. Our brave troops are going back for three, four and even five tours. This cannot be sustained, nor is it fair. Are you willing to expose your children, grandchildren, and even yourselves, to the horrors of war? I do think that if everyone between the ages of 18-30 who supports this war would enlist maybe that would be surge enough to get the job done. I wonder how all the voices that call for staying in Iraq until stability is attained will feel about the institution of a draft, which would be necessary to continue the long fight. Our brave troops are going back for three, four and even five tours. This cannot be sustained, nor is it fair. Are you willing to expose your children, grandchildren, and even yourselves, to the horrors of war? I do think that if everyone between the ages of 18-30 who supports this war would enlist maybe that would be surge enough to get the job done.

]]> By: Steve http://rightwingnuthouse.com/archives/2007/08/08/making-the-case-for-a-long-term-commitment-to-iraq/comment-page-1/#comment-840681 Steve Thu, 09 Aug 2007 16:00:34 +0000 http://rightwingnuthouse.com/archives/2007/08/08/making-the-case-for-a-long-term-commitment-to-iraq/#comment-840681 If liberals are convinced that Iraq is in a civil war, and that the war on terrorism is just a bumper sticker, why are liberals not calling for the UN to rush to the aid of Iraq? The UN wants to rush over to the Sudan and referee that civil war, why not Iraq? Why are liberals not screaming that the UN is failing in it's duty to Iraq? Come on, everyone knows why. Liberals want the US to lose in Iraq, it is pure political yardage for them. They would rather US soldiers die than pressure the UN to assist Bush in winning or at least resolving the conflict. If the US pulls out, and vast bloodshed occurs, liberals will not scream for the UN to help then either. They will continue to milk the yardage by blaming the bloodshed on Bush. Thats why liberals are so adamant that Bush pulls out before the end of his term. Otherwise, the tough options, and consequences, might land on a liberal administration...oh my God. Clinton and Gore called Saddam the most dangerous threat to peace in the world when they were in office. Doesn't anyone remember that? If liberals are convinced that Iraq is in a civil war, and that the war on terrorism is just a bumper sticker, why are liberals not calling for the UN to rush to the aid of Iraq? The UN wants to rush over to the Sudan and referee that civil war, why not Iraq? Why are liberals not screaming that the UN is failing in it’s duty to Iraq?

Come on, everyone knows why. Liberals want the US to lose in Iraq, it is pure political yardage for them. They would rather US soldiers die than pressure the UN to assist Bush in winning or at least resolving the conflict.

If the US pulls out, and vast bloodshed occurs, liberals will not scream for the UN to help then either. They will continue to milk the yardage by blaming the bloodshed on Bush. Thats why liberals are so adamant that Bush pulls out before the end of his term. Otherwise, the tough options, and consequences, might land on a liberal administration…oh my God.

Clinton and Gore called Saddam the most dangerous threat to peace in the world when they were in office. Doesn’t anyone remember that?

]]> By: Jim Rockford http://rightwingnuthouse.com/archives/2007/08/08/making-the-case-for-a-long-term-commitment-to-iraq/comment-page-1/#comment-839994 Jim Rockford Thu, 09 Aug 2007 04:54:01 +0000 http://rightwingnuthouse.com/archives/2007/08/08/making-the-case-for-a-long-term-commitment-to-iraq/#comment-839994 Iraq does not exist in a vacuum. Iran is likely to light off a few nukes and then start making demands: US surrender in Iraq, protector of Muslims in Europe, perhaps protector of Muslims in America. Pakistan could fall at any moment to the Taliban and Zawahari. Bill Roggio's reporting makes it clear the Taliban and AQ will even fight the CHINESE to make this happen. As such, unless we stay for decades, leaving Iraq to it's own devices is guaranteed to paste a giant "Nuke Me" sign on our cities. Weakness invites attack: from a nuclear Iran, a Nuclear-armed Taliban/AQ, from AQ around the world. We could of course leave Iraq and on our way out hit Iran's facilities and Pakistan's nukes. Leaving no doubt about the US ability AND Will to rock and roll. But very likely Dems will simply listen to Kos who does indeed run the party and retreat ala Saigon 1975 times 100. Iraq does not exist in a vacuum. Iran is likely to light off a few nukes and then start making demands: US surrender in Iraq, protector of Muslims in Europe, perhaps protector of Muslims in America.

Pakistan could fall at any moment to the Taliban and Zawahari. Bill Roggio’s reporting makes it clear the Taliban and AQ will even fight the CHINESE to make this happen.

As such, unless we stay for decades, leaving Iraq to it’s own devices is guaranteed to paste a giant “Nuke Me” sign on our cities. Weakness invites attack: from a nuclear Iran, a Nuclear-armed Taliban/AQ, from AQ around the world.

We could of course leave Iraq and on our way out hit Iran’s facilities and Pakistan’s nukes. Leaving no doubt about the US ability AND Will to rock and roll.

But very likely Dems will simply listen to Kos who does indeed run the party and retreat ala Saigon 1975 times 100.

]]> By: mannning http://rightwingnuthouse.com/archives/2007/08/08/making-the-case-for-a-long-term-commitment-to-iraq/comment-page-1/#comment-839778 mannning Thu, 09 Aug 2007 02:15:51 +0000 http://rightwingnuthouse.com/archives/2007/08/08/making-the-case-for-a-long-term-commitment-to-iraq/#comment-839778 My bet is still that we will not withdraw from Iraq, except for some symbolic rotations home. We are caught fast in the struggle to create a new government that has the power to survive, to ensure that there will not be a genocidal conflict after we leave, and to hold off the Iranians and Syrians. Morally, to leave with these threats to the Iraqi people quite evident and real for all to see would be devastating. There would be no forgiveness for such an act anywhere in the world, except in leftist circles that desire our demise anyway. To talk of 12 months or 18 months before "redeployment' is ridiculous on the face of it given the work yet to be done in pacification, grassroots consensus-building, government-building, oil production and revenue sharing. Well-constructed bases are essential to the effort as outlined, unless we want our troops in tents and latrine trenches for their stay, and subjected to serious harassing attacks. It is simply disgusting to me to see others considering leaving Iraq to the tribes and factions, with no recourse except their Islamic 'friends' to the South, East and West. Such a move is cynical and immoral, no matter what the past has been. I am acutely ashamed of those who advocate withdrawal before the job is satisfactorily finished. My bet is still that we will not withdraw from Iraq, except for some symbolic rotations home. We are caught fast in the struggle to create a new government that has the power to survive, to ensure that there will not be a genocidal conflict after we leave, and to hold off the Iranians and Syrians. Morally, to leave with these threats to the Iraqi people quite evident and real for all to see would be devastating. There would be no forgiveness for such an act anywhere in the world, except in leftist circles that desire our demise anyway.

To talk of 12 months or 18 months before “redeployment’ is ridiculous on the face of it given the work yet to be done in pacification, grassroots consensus-building, government-building, oil production and revenue sharing. Well-constructed bases are essential to the effort as outlined, unless we want our troops in tents and latrine trenches for their stay, and subjected to serious harassing attacks.

It is simply disgusting to me to see others considering leaving Iraq to the tribes and factions, with no recourse except their Islamic ‘friends’ to the South, East and West. Such a move is cynical and immoral, no matter what the past has been. I am acutely ashamed of those who advocate withdrawal before the job is satisfactorily finished.

]]> By: Joe Helgerson http://rightwingnuthouse.com/archives/2007/08/08/making-the-case-for-a-long-term-commitment-to-iraq/comment-page-1/#comment-839736 Joe Helgerson Thu, 09 Aug 2007 01:33:09 +0000 http://rightwingnuthouse.com/archives/2007/08/08/making-the-case-for-a-long-term-commitment-to-iraq/#comment-839736 The Kurds got tired of waiting for a national oil sharing law, so they passed THEIR OWN oil law! They'll invite foreign investors in, and promised to share their oil revenues with the rest of Iraq, call me crazy but if the Kurds decide to keep all the revenues, who's to stop them?I'm not for a quick pullout of Iraq but lets let the Kurds do their thing and maybe think about partitioning Iraq.Oh, I'm sorry, I forgot the Turks want to invade northern Kurdistan to destroy the PKK. The Kurds have told the Turks they would defend their territory and the Pkk( who by the way are listed as terrorists by the US). Your right Rick, Iraq is a cluster_uck. Eventually we will have to leave and my best bet is Iraq will be mainly a Shia Theocracy with low-grade civil war with the Sunnis and an independent Kurdistan. The Kurds got tired of waiting for a national oil sharing law, so they passed THEIR OWN oil law! They’ll invite foreign investors in, and promised to share their oil revenues with the rest of Iraq, call me crazy but if the Kurds decide to keep all the revenues, who’s to stop them?I’m not for a quick pullout of Iraq but lets let the Kurds do their thing and maybe think about partitioning Iraq.Oh, I’m sorry, I forgot the Turks want to invade northern Kurdistan to destroy the PKK. The Kurds have told the Turks they would defend their territory and the Pkk( who by the way are listed as terrorists by the US). Your right Rick, Iraq is a cluster_uck. Eventually we will have to leave and my best bet is Iraq will be mainly a Shia Theocracy with low-grade civil war with the Sunnis and an independent Kurdistan.

]]> By: tHePeOPle http://rightwingnuthouse.com/archives/2007/08/08/making-the-case-for-a-long-term-commitment-to-iraq/comment-page-1/#comment-839705 tHePeOPle Thu, 09 Aug 2007 00:53:19 +0000 http://rightwingnuthouse.com/archives/2007/08/08/making-the-case-for-a-long-term-commitment-to-iraq/#comment-839705 I'll ask my buddies in Baghdad how the surge is going. As soon as the power comes back on. I’ll ask my buddies in Baghdad how the surge is going. As soon as the power comes back on.

]]> By: Chris http://rightwingnuthouse.com/archives/2007/08/08/making-the-case-for-a-long-term-commitment-to-iraq/comment-page-1/#comment-839671 Chris Thu, 09 Aug 2007 00:30:18 +0000 http://rightwingnuthouse.com/archives/2007/08/08/making-the-case-for-a-long-term-commitment-to-iraq/#comment-839671 They have a fledgling air force, a few helicopters, with more to come. Let them get their infantry working, and logistics up and running, and then they'll move up to armor. Walk before you run, don't you know. We can stay as long as we think there's something in it for the nation. That will be at least until after the 2008 elections, and probably longer, because no matter who wins the election, the facts on the ground will remain unchanged; it is in the nation's interest that we don't let al Qaeda be seen as driving us out. The new leaders will absorb this fact, and then act on it. They have a fledgling air force, a few helicopters, with more to come. Let them get their infantry working, and logistics up and running, and then they’ll move up to armor. Walk before you run, don’t you know.

We can stay as long as we think there’s something in it for the nation. That will be at least until after the 2008 elections, and probably longer, because no matter who wins the election, the facts on the ground will remain unchanged; it is in the nation’s interest that we don’t let al Qaeda be seen as driving us out. The new leaders will absorb this fact, and then act on it.

]]> By: gregdn http://rightwingnuthouse.com/archives/2007/08/08/making-the-case-for-a-long-term-commitment-to-iraq/comment-page-1/#comment-839400 gregdn Wed, 08 Aug 2007 19:57:38 +0000 http://rightwingnuthouse.com/archives/2007/08/08/making-the-case-for-a-long-term-commitment-to-iraq/#comment-839400 Davebo: You're probably right about us not trusting them. I was thinking just after my last post that the Israelis might just have something to say about arming a Muslim nation they've fought before too. But- how can the Iraqis adequately provide for their own security with not air force? Davebo: You’re probably right about us not trusting them. I was thinking just after my last post that the Israelis might just have something to say about arming a Muslim nation they’ve fought before too.
But- how can the Iraqis adequately provide for their own security with not air force?

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