What amazes me is just how significant the data was when it was wrong.

I love the argument that only people without industry ties are pure. What’s really being said is only people funded by government can be trusted to be objective. The same government which seeks to grow its influence over the populace doesn’t look for answers it doesn’t want to hear. This government is seeking to justify increasing its regulatory powers. But why are these pure, objective, square-jawed, steely-eyed scientists so exercised by skeptics? I’ll grant you that I have some suspicions.

McIntyre was either right or he was wrong. The source of his income may influence all manner of his outlook on life, but it doesn’t alter the veracity of his results. Whether the proponents of the anthropogenic carbon argument are right, or not, I don’t care who signed their paychecks; only their results. I can be convinced by evidence, but I’m not thus far. And “ad hominem” attacks on skeptics doesn’t convince me at all.

The “Enviro-wackos” are, almost universally, NOT scientists - most of em dont have the ability to tackle anything other than “world studies” or, the ultimate major for retarded monkeys, “political science”.

The Earth-worshipping Gaia crowd and the Scientific community have little overlap. Those tree-loving douchebags dont have the patience or brains for science and aren’t a significant part of the scientific community in ANY field - even Climatology.

Like you, I also oppose draconian policies that would wreck our economy, but unlike you I do not peddle deranged conspiracy theories about legions of commie scientists who are lying to further the great socialist agenda.

You’re brand of Global warming “skeptisicm” isn’t based in rational scientific skepticism, it is based on the knee-jerk fear of Watermelons (Green on the outside,Red on the inside).

Grow up.

Sadly, what also hasn’t changed is the 9/11Truther-ish huge global conspiracy attitude of the deniers. Real environmental “hysteria” and “alarmism” comes from the people who say that every new environmental law will destroy capitalism and send us back to living in caves.

http://www.realclimate.org/

They’ve debunked pretty much all of this already. This is actually a blog run by climate scientists, volunteering their time. They are the real “citizen-scientists”, along with people like Hansen who spoke out despite the Bush administration’s attempts to keep him quiet. By this I mean they are real practicing climate scientists trying to help the public understand this, and are not ideologues or paid shills with ties to, say, the mining industry.

The extreme right and industries who devote substantial resources to defame climate researchers often bring up someone like this every now and then, one self-professed “contrarian” who hasn’t published any actual research yet proudly proclaims every major scientific organization is involved in a massive conspiracy for some nefarious purpose. Usually the supposed motive makes no logical sense. For example why would climate scientists, who depend more than most on funding from governments and corporations and a high-tech economy want to see the economy collapse? Then however the real scientists point out how their talking points are complete BS (usually on web sites and science magazines and the like), however this is never similarly shown in the media. Thus a large segment of the public will continue to think there really is nothing to all this or that there really is a massive debate going on, with no solid evidence either way.

“And we, the lay public who know next to nothing about the many scientific disciplines that are engaged in climate study, must ourselves keep a more open mind in order to decide the right course of action for the future. If nothing else, McIntyre has shown once again that scientists are as fallible as the rest of us.

Perhaps the scientists themselves need to be reminded of that from time to time.”

I also wish so-called skeptics like whoever wrote that would have a little more respect for real scientists and not blindly believe whoever comes saying (with no evidence) that there’s a massive conspiracy by all the world’s scientists to defraud the public. Do you have a solid background in atmospheric physics, have you completed a dissertation in climate science and done research in this field as a profession? I myself don’t, which is why unless I had a very good reason, I don’t blindly go around saying how the scientists must be wrong because they’re telling me something I don’t want to hear. In a very complex and technical field, for example brain surgery I’m not going to arrogantly think I know more than someone who’s worked in it their entire careers.

In the end, I think anti-intellectualism and rhetoric will cause America to seriously decline unless more speak out against it. No one thinks scientists are infallible, and no real scientist will tell you they are or that science knows everything. That’s just a typical right-wing strawman. The real problem now is the exact opposite, too many people don’t care about facts, science, or history when it goes against what they want to believe, and get their information on things like global warming, energy issues, and evolution from people like Rush Limbaugh and O’Reilly, and actually think they’re informed.

not sure i have done the link right…

1934 is now the warmest year on record in the US. no change in the list of warmest years globally. this is a detail worth mentioning, don’t ya’ think?