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	<title>Comments on: CONSERVATIVES TO BUSH: &#8220;KEEP YOUR GRUBBY PAWS OUT OF OUR PRIVATE SPACES!&#8221;</title>
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		<title>By: kreiz</title>
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		<dc:creator>kreiz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Aug 2007 14:56:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Harlan is a relatively unknown jurisprudential treasure.  When I was in college, professors adored J. Douglas.  As I plowed through Supreme Court decisions, I realized that Harlan was an incisive, brilliant thinker and a clear writer- a justice who worked within the constraints of the constitution.  It's nice to hear you singing his praises, Rick- well deserved indeed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Harlan is a relatively unknown jurisprudential treasure.  When I was in college, professors adored J. Douglas.  As I plowed through Supreme Court decisions, I realized that Harlan was an incisive, brilliant thinker and a clear writer- a justice who worked within the constraints of the constitution.  It&#8217;s nice to hear you singing his praises, Rick- well deserved indeed.</p>
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		<title>By: Rick Moran</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rick Moran</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Aug 2007 20:53:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excuse me all but why do you keep talking about law enforcement already doing this? Are you seriously trying to suggest that what is being proposed is no worse than the crude infra-red technology used to find pot homes? Or the cameras from some aerial survey?

Do you understand the unbelievable sophistication of these tools used by the National Recon Office? What these satellites are capable of? The technology being used is 10 years ahead of anything on the market and available to commercial enterprises. And that's a guesstimate. 

The potential for violating privacy is just too great. The program makes us less secure in our homes and property and should be abandoned.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excuse me all but why do you keep talking about law enforcement already doing this? Are you seriously trying to suggest that what is being proposed is no worse than the crude infra-red technology used to find pot homes? Or the cameras from some aerial survey?</p>
<p>Do you understand the unbelievable sophistication of these tools used by the National Recon Office? What these satellites are capable of? The technology being used is 10 years ahead of anything on the market and available to commercial enterprises. And that&#8217;s a guesstimate. </p>
<p>The potential for violating privacy is just too great. The program makes us less secure in our homes and property and should be abandoned.</p>
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		<title>By: Kurmudge</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kurmudge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Aug 2007 19:41:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Guys, this subject is always discussed in a ridiculously overheated fashion.  Those who are uberlibertarian privacy nuts (like Ron Paul), that is, those who seriously believe that, to misquote Judge Posner's book title, the Constitution actually IS a suicide pact, already have eight million things to complain about.  Even though they never seem to worry that Amazon.co snoops into their personal affairs a lot more than any law enforcement agency.

For the rest of us, we see two things: these issues are meaningless fluff unless you go back a few years and do something that probably needs to be done, that is, drastically change or repeal RICO.  That's the statute that gave government and law enforcement the ticket to your pockets, bank account, and every room in your house.

Meanwhile, the SCOTUS dealt with most of this already in Kyllo: http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m2194/is_10_70/ai_80787342.  Go read that decision about the use of IR scanners to gather information to support a 4th Amd probable cause warrant, and fit this latest publicity splash into the rules set forth in Kyllo.  And calm down! (says Posner, no statist he)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Guys, this subject is always discussed in a ridiculously overheated fashion.  Those who are uberlibertarian privacy nuts (like Ron Paul), that is, those who seriously believe that, to misquote Judge Posner&#8217;s book title, the Constitution actually IS a suicide pact, already have eight million things to complain about.  Even though they never seem to worry that Amazon.co snoops into their personal affairs a lot more than any law enforcement agency.</p>
<p>For the rest of us, we see two things: these issues are meaningless fluff unless you go back a few years and do something that probably needs to be done, that is, drastically change or repeal RICO.  That&#8217;s the statute that gave government and law enforcement the ticket to your pockets, bank account, and every room in your house.</p>
<p>Meanwhile, the SCOTUS dealt with most of this already in Kyllo: <a href="http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m2194/is_10_70/ai_80787342" rel="nofollow">http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m2194/is_10_70/ai_80787342</a>.  Go read that decision about the use of IR scanners to gather information to support a 4th Amd probable cause warrant, and fit this latest publicity splash into the rules set forth in Kyllo.  And calm down! (says Posner, no statist he)</p>
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		<title>By: SlimGuy</title>
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		<dc:creator>SlimGuy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Aug 2007 18:59:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Heck where I live the county does a full aerial survey of photos and videos about every five years and the building and zoning department always catches about 60 to 70 , and once as many as 300 buildings built in back ends of the property that were built without permits and weren't on the tax rolls for the additional structures.

This year they caught about 15 in ground pools that neither the homeowner or the installer had gone through the permit process for.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Heck where I live the county does a full aerial survey of photos and videos about every five years and the building and zoning department always catches about 60 to 70 , and once as many as 300 buildings built in back ends of the property that were built without permits and weren&#8217;t on the tax rolls for the additional structures.</p>
<p>This year they caught about 15 in ground pools that neither the homeowner or the installer had gone through the permit process for.</p>
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		<title>By: SlimGuy</title>
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		<dc:creator>SlimGuy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Aug 2007 18:49:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To me the PCA argument is bogus.

Each of the law enforcement agencies could purchase the same thing through commercial satellite photo vendors with no impact.

If a police traffic chopper flies over a home and sees pot growing in the back yard they can act on it.  This has already hit the Supreme Court and been upheld.

Heck then can even use infrared to detect grow lights in a garage indicating potential plant growth.

I would rather have them have access to high res imaging for a Katrina recovery situation than low scan blurry stuff.

It's not like cops are getting a terminal in their watch room for each satellite pass, each request will be vetted through an application process.

Also this allows data sharing between agencies for example to have a port imaged to look for weaknesses that need to be compensated for.

So we can scientifically look at volcano activity, but can't do good looks at beach erosion or other things.

But those same cities could legally contract an aerial photo service to blanket their city.

Please don't go jumping off bridges just because the guy next to you might.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To me the PCA argument is bogus.</p>
<p>Each of the law enforcement agencies could purchase the same thing through commercial satellite photo vendors with no impact.</p>
<p>If a police traffic chopper flies over a home and sees pot growing in the back yard they can act on it.  This has already hit the Supreme Court and been upheld.</p>
<p>Heck then can even use infrared to detect grow lights in a garage indicating potential plant growth.</p>
<p>I would rather have them have access to high res imaging for a Katrina recovery situation than low scan blurry stuff.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not like cops are getting a terminal in their watch room for each satellite pass, each request will be vetted through an application process.</p>
<p>Also this allows data sharing between agencies for example to have a port imaged to look for weaknesses that need to be compensated for.</p>
<p>So we can scientifically look at volcano activity, but can&#8217;t do good looks at beach erosion or other things.</p>
<p>But those same cities could legally contract an aerial photo service to blanket their city.</p>
<p>Please don&#8217;t go jumping off bridges just because the guy next to you might.</p>
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		<title>By: aric</title>
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		<dc:creator>aric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Aug 2007 15:43:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that social conservatives take a very different approach to authority and government then secular conservatives.  Ask anyone who considers themselves deeply religious and republican and there is a good chance you will hear how America is a Christian nation that has lost its way because of declining morals.  For them there is no issue with giving government vast new powers of watching law abiding citizens; what do you have to hide? they would ask?.  Commenter number two is probably one of those folks.  It is a shame because I always thought a good conservative 'Loved their country but feared their government.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that social conservatives take a very different approach to authority and government then secular conservatives.  Ask anyone who considers themselves deeply religious and republican and there is a good chance you will hear how America is a Christian nation that has lost its way because of declining morals.  For them there is no issue with giving government vast new powers of watching law abiding citizens; what do you have to hide? they would ask?.  Commenter number two is probably one of those folks.  It is a shame because I always thought a good conservative &#8216;Loved their country but feared their government.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Arnold</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill Arnold</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Aug 2007 15:20:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;I have difficulty understanding the outcry of those who disagree with surviellance techniques.
WHAT DO YOU HAVE TO HIDE??&lt;/i&gt;
LOL. Perhaps you're trolling but it's hard to tell. 
My experience is that most people have something to hide, something they don't want local politicians or police to hold as leverage against them. Information is power. (Power corrupts. etc. :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I have difficulty understanding the outcry of those who disagree with surviellance techniques.<br />
WHAT DO YOU HAVE TO HIDE??</i><br />
LOL. Perhaps you&#8217;re trolling but it&#8217;s hard to tell.<br />
My experience is that most people have something to hide, something they don&#8217;t want local politicians or police to hold as leverage against them. Information is power. (Power corrupts. etc. <img src='http://rightwingnuthouse.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: tHePeOPle</title>
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		<dc:creator>tHePeOPle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Aug 2007 15:18:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rick Said: "But to posit the notion that we are slipping into some kind of anti-democratic nightmare is just plain silly."

Yeah, not only would it be silly to posit the notion, but it would be unpatriotic as well. It might even prove that you have something to hide. If people would just accept that the administration has their best interests in mind, the whole process would go a lot smoother.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rick Said: &#8220;But to posit the notion that we are slipping into some kind of anti-democratic nightmare is just plain silly.&#8221;</p>
<p>Yeah, not only would it be silly to posit the notion, but it would be unpatriotic as well. It might even prove that you have something to hide. If people would just accept that the administration has their best interests in mind, the whole process would go a lot smoother.</p>
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		<title>By: busboy33</title>
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		<dc:creator>busboy33</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Aug 2007 14:45:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Rick:

You're right -- Reagan never said that.  In fact, he stood for the exact opposite -- a point I was tring to make that apparently didn't come through.  As the previous poster I assume is a Conservative, and seems to be advocating unfetterd Governmental intrusion into private citizen's lives, I was trying to illustrate that the two postions are traditionally incompatable.

If my sarcasm was too subtle, my apologies.  Given how obvious it appeared to me that such a statement was the opposite of Conservative ethos, I thought it was pretty clear.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Rick:</p>
<p>You&#8217;re right &#8212; Reagan never said that.  In fact, he stood for the exact opposite &#8212; a point I was tring to make that apparently didn&#8217;t come through.  As the previous poster I assume is a Conservative, and seems to be advocating unfetterd Governmental intrusion into private citizen&#8217;s lives, I was trying to illustrate that the two postions are traditionally incompatable.</p>
<p>If my sarcasm was too subtle, my apologies.  Given how obvious it appeared to me that such a statement was the opposite of Conservative ethos, I thought it was pretty clear.</p>
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		<title>By: Rick Moran</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rick Moran</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Aug 2007 14:23:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You wouldn't know what a conservative is if one came up and bit you in the ass. Reagan never said for people to give up their rights to government. That's absurd  on its face and shows an incredible ignorance on your part.

No conservative has ever said such a thing. No one. Ever. Either educate yourself or stop commenting here. I'm sick to death of your stupidities.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You wouldn&#8217;t know what a conservative is if one came up and bit you in the ass. Reagan never said for people to give up their rights to government. That&#8217;s absurd  on its face and shows an incredible ignorance on your part.</p>
<p>No conservative has ever said such a thing. No one. Ever. Either educate yourself or stop commenting here. I&#8217;m sick to death of your stupidities.</p>
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