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		<title>By: mannning</title>
		<link>http://rightwingnuthouse.com/archives/2007/08/27/jesus-lord-are-they-all-hypocritical-bastards/comment-page-2/#comment-890748</link>
		<dc:creator>mannning</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Sep 2007 01:40:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Guilty!  I learned to aim, hold my breath, then pull the trigger way back. This makes wingnuts very uncomfortable. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Guilty!  I learned to aim, hold my breath, then pull the trigger way back. This makes wingnuts very uncomfortable. <img src='http://rightwingnuthouse.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: busboy33</title>
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		<dc:creator>busboy33</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Sep 2007 22:18:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What a minute . . . 

You mean you sought out information in order to make an informed decision as to your beliefs?

They are soooo gonna kick you out of the Wingnut club. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a minute . . . </p>
<p>You mean you sought out information in order to make an informed decision as to your beliefs?</p>
<p>They are soooo gonna kick you out of the Wingnut club. <img src='http://rightwingnuthouse.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: mannning</title>
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		<dc:creator>mannning</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Sep 2007 18:58:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>busboy Re: #76

Thank you for the complement. Naturally, the ideas I used were not original.  Two sources have guided me in this: 1) The Edge of Evolution, by Michael Behe; and, 2) Programming the Universe, by Seth Lloyd.
I recommend both very highly. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>busboy Re: #76</p>
<p>Thank you for the complement. Naturally, the ideas I used were not original.  Two sources have guided me in this: 1) The Edge of Evolution, by Michael Behe; and, 2) Programming the Universe, by Seth Lloyd.<br />
I recommend both very highly. <img src='http://rightwingnuthouse.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: busboy33</title>
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		<dc:creator>busboy33</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Sep 2007 05:26:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ manning:
quite possibly, one of the best explanations for "life-at-conception" I've ever heard.  Its a shame the party leaders don't put half as much effort into explaining their views.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ manning:<br />
quite possibly, one of the best explanations for &#8220;life-at-conception&#8221; I&#8217;ve ever heard.  Its a shame the party leaders don&#8217;t put half as much effort into explaining their views.</p>
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		<title>By: mannning</title>
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		<dc:creator>mannning</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Sep 2007 02:41:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>busboy Re: #74

We seem to have been brought up in the same faith, but from the age of fifteen, my course veered off in many directions.  Only after age 45 did I return to the fold.  To my knowledge the bible is silent on the matter of concern here.  My belief was sparked by the unfolding of the various cell phenomena connected with conception and growth.  The creation of a human being is one continuous explosion of cells, guided by information contained in genes of many types.  If it is so continuous and explosive, and if it is guided by the information content within cells, then incremental division between non-life and life, or non-human and human is simply not possible.  It must be registered as starting with conception.  Life begins at conception, in this view.  If this isn't so, then where is the real dividing line?  Where is that point where life does not exist.  Does someone have a meter that registers the lack of turn on of life in a fetus?  Then too, why is it an issue?  Why is it necessary to call one stage non-human-life and the very next stage human life?  How does one find the precise point here in a maze of developing cells in the womb?  Is it only because there are vested interests in  having the option to abort?  If so, that is not a particularly good reason--it is a horrible reason, in fact.

Of course I must grant that others believe differently. It is very difficult to understand why others believe that way, however, since we are talking about lives to be lived--or not.  I vote for life, and in a real sense, I grieve for the some 14 million aborted lives in the last ten years.  It must be so that others do not grieve, do not hurt.  They may be the lucky ones:
it is not for me to judge them, either.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>busboy Re: #74</p>
<p>We seem to have been brought up in the same faith, but from the age of fifteen, my course veered off in many directions.  Only after age 45 did I return to the fold.  To my knowledge the bible is silent on the matter of concern here.  My belief was sparked by the unfolding of the various cell phenomena connected with conception and growth.  The creation of a human being is one continuous explosion of cells, guided by information contained in genes of many types.  If it is so continuous and explosive, and if it is guided by the information content within cells, then incremental division between non-life and life, or non-human and human is simply not possible.  It must be registered as starting with conception.  Life begins at conception, in this view.  If this isn&#8217;t so, then where is the real dividing line?  Where is that point where life does not exist.  Does someone have a meter that registers the lack of turn on of life in a fetus?  Then too, why is it an issue?  Why is it necessary to call one stage non-human-life and the very next stage human life?  How does one find the precise point here in a maze of developing cells in the womb?  Is it only because there are vested interests in  having the option to abort?  If so, that is not a particularly good reason&#8211;it is a horrible reason, in fact.</p>
<p>Of course I must grant that others believe differently. It is very difficult to understand why others believe that way, however, since we are talking about lives to be lived&#8211;or not.  I vote for life, and in a real sense, I grieve for the some 14 million aborted lives in the last ten years.  It must be so that others do not grieve, do not hurt.  They may be the lucky ones:<br />
it is not for me to judge them, either.</p>
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		<title>By: busboy33</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Sep 2007 01:02:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@manning:
I think this gets to the heart of the non-Republican oppisition to the language used by the party -- absolutism, as I said earlier.
You have your beliefs, and bless you for them.  But to assume that anybody who does not agree with your beliefs is a "bad Christian" presumes that you have the True Word of God, and they all do not.
I assume that you are a devout Christian of some demonination.  As far as I know, the Bible does not state life begins at conception (if you are fimiliar with a passage that asserts such I would honestly like to know it, because I haven't been able to find it).  So it appears to me that the denominatios that hold life begins at conception arrived at that position through their interpretation of the text.
I was raised Episcopalian, and my pastor told us we each have to look into our heart, pray and meditate on the issue, and come to our own understanding with God as to what was right.  Doing so would make me a "good Christian", not a bad one.
I could just as easily claim Republicans are "bad Christians" for invading Iraq -- Jesus said "turn the other cheek", not "invade, occupy, and execute Saddam".  Regardless, the rhetoric of the Right for the invasion seems to hold that God wants us to go to war; a most un-Christian ideal.
For the record, I don't support abortion, not because I think life begins at conception, but because I don't know whether or not it does, and I don't gamble with the lives of others.  It would be inappropriate of me, though, to call you a "bad Christian" simply because I don't believe exactly as you do, because your faith does not match mine.  There are hundreds of different Christian denominations, all of which believe differently, interpret the Bible differenty, worship differently.  All are as sincere as the others, and all have the same claim to being right.
Think back to the outcry when JFK was nominated.  People feared that, as a Roman Catholic, he would govern not based on what was best for the country but based on what the precepts of his Church held.  Non-Catholics were terrified that the Pope would be de facto in charge, that our country would become a Theocracy -- the same system of government we demonize Iran for following.
Certainly, follow your faith and believe.  But allow that others are just as sincere in following different denominations or faiths; to me, that is what America stands for.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@manning:<br />
I think this gets to the heart of the non-Republican oppisition to the language used by the party &#8212; absolutism, as I said earlier.<br />
You have your beliefs, and bless you for them.  But to assume that anybody who does not agree with your beliefs is a &#8220;bad Christian&#8221; presumes that you have the True Word of God, and they all do not.<br />
I assume that you are a devout Christian of some demonination.  As far as I know, the Bible does not state life begins at conception (if you are fimiliar with a passage that asserts such I would honestly like to know it, because I haven&#8217;t been able to find it).  So it appears to me that the denominatios that hold life begins at conception arrived at that position through their interpretation of the text.<br />
I was raised Episcopalian, and my pastor told us we each have to look into our heart, pray and meditate on the issue, and come to our own understanding with God as to what was right.  Doing so would make me a &#8220;good Christian&#8221;, not a bad one.<br />
I could just as easily claim Republicans are &#8220;bad Christians&#8221; for invading Iraq &#8212; Jesus said &#8220;turn the other cheek&#8221;, not &#8220;invade, occupy, and execute Saddam&#8221;.  Regardless, the rhetoric of the Right for the invasion seems to hold that God wants us to go to war; a most un-Christian ideal.<br />
For the record, I don&#8217;t support abortion, not because I think life begins at conception, but because I don&#8217;t know whether or not it does, and I don&#8217;t gamble with the lives of others.  It would be inappropriate of me, though, to call you a &#8220;bad Christian&#8221; simply because I don&#8217;t believe exactly as you do, because your faith does not match mine.  There are hundreds of different Christian denominations, all of which believe differently, interpret the Bible differenty, worship differently.  All are as sincere as the others, and all have the same claim to being right.<br />
Think back to the outcry when JFK was nominated.  People feared that, as a Roman Catholic, he would govern not based on what was best for the country but based on what the precepts of his Church held.  Non-Catholics were terrified that the Pope would be de facto in charge, that our country would become a Theocracy &#8212; the same system of government we demonize Iran for following.<br />
Certainly, follow your faith and believe.  But allow that others are just as sincere in following different denominations or faiths; to me, that is what America stands for.</p>
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		<title>By: Wonder95</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Aug 2007 19:37:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>thePeopleSiad (#57),

No blog spam, here.  I just didn't feel like writing everything all over again (if you notice, I haven't had time to post there in a while).
As for your comments, you are incorrect.  They are not interested in destroying families; they care only for what they want and are unwilling to take into consideration the detrimental effects that what they want has on our society, in particular on the children.  And, besides, they don't just want the same thing; they want special rights, and laws to state that nobody can even question them on it.  Free speech only counts when you don't speak against homosexuality.  It's okay to speak out against Christianity, or anything else, but it should be illegal to say anything against homosexuality according to them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thePeopleSiad (#57),</p>
<p>No blog spam, here.  I just didn&#8217;t feel like writing everything all over again (if you notice, I haven&#8217;t had time to post there in a while).<br />
As for your comments, you are incorrect.  They are not interested in destroying families; they care only for what they want and are unwilling to take into consideration the detrimental effects that what they want has on our society, in particular on the children.  And, besides, they don&#8217;t just want the same thing; they want special rights, and laws to state that nobody can even question them on it.  Free speech only counts when you don&#8217;t speak against homosexuality.  It&#8217;s okay to speak out against Christianity, or anything else, but it should be illegal to say anything against homosexuality according to them.</p>
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		<title>By: mannning</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Aug 2007 18:08:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am appalled again that so many think that abortion is a nothing event. Not everyone, thank God, since most Christians would object to it. Unfortunately, some Christians are too weak in their faith to chose rearing a child over abortion. In any event, government funding for such an act should be stopped cold.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am appalled again that so many think that abortion is a nothing event. Not everyone, thank God, since most Christians would object to it. Unfortunately, some Christians are too weak in their faith to chose rearing a child over abortion. In any event, government funding for such an act should be stopped cold.</p>
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		<title>By: mannning</title>
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		<dc:creator>mannning</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Aug 2007 17:39:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re: #68 busboy

You are quite right. There are those who think abortion is simply a medical procedure with no negative aspects. However, I would venture that they are either not Christians, or they are Christians with weak principles--letting their desire not to be obligated to raise a child take precedence over their faith. In which case they make the very excuse you put forth: oh, it's only protoplasm, not a person at all. This is exactly where my view differs. Abortion kills the objects, embedded procedures and mechanisms of life for a person.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: #68 busboy</p>
<p>You are quite right. There are those who think abortion is simply a medical procedure with no negative aspects. However, I would venture that they are either not Christians, or they are Christians with weak principles&#8211;letting their desire not to be obligated to raise a child take precedence over their faith. In which case they make the very excuse you put forth: oh, it&#8217;s only protoplasm, not a person at all. This is exactly where my view differs. Abortion kills the objects, embedded procedures and mechanisms of life for a person.</p>
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		<title>By: Drewsmom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Drewsmom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Aug 2007 11:03:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We Republicans should stop trying to ban Abortion and let the Lord deal with these people when it is their time to stand before him.  We can voice our concern over this practice and yes, BAN PARTIAL BIRTH MURDER, but the dems think nothing of killing their young so there isn't much we can really do about this practice except voice our concern.
I say let the gays do their thing, as long as they aren't bothering me and give em rights but NOT MARRIAGE, just rights as far as contracts and money like other couples have.
Conservatives should strive to do what they know the Lord wants them to do and let the dems deal with the consequences of their own actions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We Republicans should stop trying to ban Abortion and let the Lord deal with these people when it is their time to stand before him.  We can voice our concern over this practice and yes, BAN PARTIAL BIRTH MURDER, but the dems think nothing of killing their young so there isn&#8217;t much we can really do about this practice except voice our concern.<br />
I say let the gays do their thing, as long as they aren&#8217;t bothering me and give em rights but NOT MARRIAGE, just rights as far as contracts and money like other couples have.<br />
Conservatives should strive to do what they know the Lord wants them to do and let the dems deal with the consequences of their own actions.</p>
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