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		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Oct 2008 20:30:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Thomas Jackson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thomas Jackson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Sep 2007 01:21:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Were you referring to Baghdad or New Orleans?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Were you referring to Baghdad or New Orleans?</p>
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		<title>By: Drongo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Drongo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Sep 2007 23:16:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"Well, I personally know The Left and it seems to me The Leftâ€™s main reason for supporting withdrawal is that we canâ€™t do anymore for the Iraqi people, we canâ€™t afford 12 billion dollars a month to accomplish little or nothing and that the entire quagmire isnâ€™t worth even one more American death.

Maybe youâ€™ve been speaking to an imposter?"

Shhhh, you can't say things like that. The Left in this world are a bunch of ignorant savages who think that a few hundred US troops killed, or another thousand Iraqis killed is a good thing, who support Al-Q in their goals, desire to live under Sharia, and who are generally traitors or idiots or both.

And of course, they are completely unwilling to engage in grown up discussion and reach compromises with the right.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Well, I personally know The Left and it seems to me The Leftâ€™s main reason for supporting withdrawal is that we canâ€™t do anymore for the Iraqi people, we canâ€™t afford 12 billion dollars a month to accomplish little or nothing and that the entire quagmire isnâ€™t worth even one more American death.</p>
<p>Maybe youâ€™ve been speaking to an imposter?&#8221;</p>
<p>Shhhh, you can&#8217;t say things like that. The Left in this world are a bunch of ignorant savages who think that a few hundred US troops killed, or another thousand Iraqis killed is a good thing, who support Al-Q in their goals, desire to live under Sharia, and who are generally traitors or idiots or both.</p>
<p>And of course, they are completely unwilling to engage in grown up discussion and reach compromises with the right.</p>
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		<title>By: gregdn</title>
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		<dc:creator>gregdn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Sep 2007 19:16:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike:
"because if their societies arenâ€™t turned around we will face the threat of terrorism indefinitely."

What makes you (and others) think we can change cultures that are thousands of years old?  And do you really believe that the American people will accept a troop presence in Iraq for another 30 or 40 years at the present casualty rate?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike:<br />
&#8220;because if their societies arenâ€™t turned around we will face the threat of terrorism indefinitely.&#8221;</p>
<p>What makes you (and others) think we can change cultures that are thousands of years old?  And do you really believe that the American people will accept a troop presence in Iraq for another 30 or 40 years at the present casualty rate?</p>
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		<title>By: Davebo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Davebo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Sep 2007 17:53:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;And then we have the hilariously ironic spectacle of the left using body counts to justify withdrawal. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

Well, I personally know &lt;a href="http://norbizness.com/" rel="nofollow"&gt;The Left&lt;/a&gt; and it seems to me &lt;i&gt;The Left's&lt;/i&gt; main reason for supporting withdrawal is that we can't do anymore for the Iraqi people, we can't afford 12 billion dollars a month to accomplish little or nothing and that the entire quagmire isn't worth even one more American death.

Maybe you've been speaking to an imposter?

As to Petreaus being a more "competent general" I'll just cite his track record.  He had the difficult task of training Iraqi Army unites as well as Iraqi Police Services.   After an investment of over 20 billion dollars we currently have a disfunctional Iraqi Army more beholden to various militias than to the government.   And I'm sure we both agree the Iraqi Police are even more of a problem.

This does not necessarily reflect poorly on Petreaus, as I said, this was an incredibly difficult assignment.   But it's not exactly a gold star either.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>And then we have the hilariously ironic spectacle of the left using body counts to justify withdrawal. </p></blockquote>
<p>Well, I personally know <a href="http://norbizness.com/" rel="nofollow">The Left</a> and it seems to me <i>The Left&#8217;s</i> main reason for supporting withdrawal is that we can&#8217;t do anymore for the Iraqi people, we can&#8217;t afford 12 billion dollars a month to accomplish little or nothing and that the entire quagmire isn&#8217;t worth even one more American death.</p>
<p>Maybe you&#8217;ve been speaking to an imposter?</p>
<p>As to Petreaus being a more &#8220;competent general&#8221; I&#8217;ll just cite his track record.  He had the difficult task of training Iraqi Army unites as well as Iraqi Police Services.   After an investment of over 20 billion dollars we currently have a disfunctional Iraqi Army more beholden to various militias than to the government.   And I&#8217;m sure we both agree the Iraqi Police are even more of a problem.</p>
<p>This does not necessarily reflect poorly on Petreaus, as I said, this was an incredibly difficult assignment.   But it&#8217;s not exactly a gold star either.</p>
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		<title>By: Charles Bird</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charles Bird</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Sep 2007 16:31:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I generally agree with your theme, Rick, except I wouldn't characterize the change in strategy as "modest".  Also, I wouldn't write off Baghdad, but the south is pro-Iranian and it looks unlikely that that will change.

COIN doctrine recognizes that this effort cannot be won by military means alone.  We are seeing political advances at the province, city and tribal levels.  Heck, al-Sadr's standing down his militias is political progress because al-Sadr is a political leader.  Obviously, things are at an impasse on the national stage, but given what's done since last February, I think it's worth giving the national government more time.  It's unfortunate that this plan was to put into play so late.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I generally agree with your theme, Rick, except I wouldn&#8217;t characterize the change in strategy as &#8220;modest&#8221;.  Also, I wouldn&#8217;t write off Baghdad, but the south is pro-Iranian and it looks unlikely that that will change.</p>
<p>COIN doctrine recognizes that this effort cannot be won by military means alone.  We are seeing political advances at the province, city and tribal levels.  Heck, al-Sadr&#8217;s standing down his militias is political progress because al-Sadr is a political leader.  Obviously, things are at an impasse on the national stage, but given what&#8217;s done since last February, I think it&#8217;s worth giving the national government more time.  It&#8217;s unfortunate that this plan was to put into play so late.</p>
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		<title>By: mike volpe</title>
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		<dc:creator>mike volpe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Sep 2007 15:59:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rick, there is no doubt that we have made mistakes however I firmly believe that Middle Eastern societies are just plain F$^ked up, and it will take a long, long time before they can be turned around. Some will say that isn't our job, and I will say that their nature led to 9/11. The reason that things look grim is because that is how their societies are. These things will take a long time to manage, and I believe there will be troops in Iraq, in some numbers, long after I pass away. (I am in my thirties) So be it I say, because if their societies aren't turned around we will face the threat of terrorism indefinitely. 

There is no middle ground. We either win or we lose. Winning will take a long time and a lot of blood, but the consequence of losing is too great and the consequence of winning is also too great.

I believe that you are trying to reach for a middle ground and washing our hands of it. This is nice on paper however the consequences to us is too great. Baghdad is turning around and citizens are standing up. The sectarian rivalries will be around for a long time, and so will the bombings and beheadings, and other killings, and all of it has to do with the structure of their societies. This may not be our fault, but if it isn't fixed now, it will be dealt with at some point, or we WILL eventually face another 9/11.

As a nation, we have to decide to be in it, all the way, for the long term. We have no choice. Losing in Iraq means AQ, Iran, and Syria winning and that is not good for the overall war on terror.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rick, there is no doubt that we have made mistakes however I firmly believe that Middle Eastern societies are just plain F$^ked up, and it will take a long, long time before they can be turned around. Some will say that isn&#8217;t our job, and I will say that their nature led to 9/11. The reason that things look grim is because that is how their societies are. These things will take a long time to manage, and I believe there will be troops in Iraq, in some numbers, long after I pass away. (I am in my thirties) So be it I say, because if their societies aren&#8217;t turned around we will face the threat of terrorism indefinitely. </p>
<p>There is no middle ground. We either win or we lose. Winning will take a long time and a lot of blood, but the consequence of losing is too great and the consequence of winning is also too great.</p>
<p>I believe that you are trying to reach for a middle ground and washing our hands of it. This is nice on paper however the consequences to us is too great. Baghdad is turning around and citizens are standing up. The sectarian rivalries will be around for a long time, and so will the bombings and beheadings, and other killings, and all of it has to do with the structure of their societies. This may not be our fault, but if it isn&#8217;t fixed now, it will be dealt with at some point, or we WILL eventually face another 9/11.</p>
<p>As a nation, we have to decide to be in it, all the way, for the long term. We have no choice. Losing in Iraq means AQ, Iran, and Syria winning and that is not good for the overall war on terror.</p>
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		<title>By: gregdn</title>
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		<dc:creator>gregdn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Sep 2007 13:59:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What the surge has succeeded in doing, more than anything, is raising expectations.
My guess is that if really concrete progress doesn't appear by say, January you're going to see a really ugly electorate just in time for the early primaries.
Unfortunately this is not up to us, it's up to the Iraqi government.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What the surge has succeeded in doing, more than anything, is raising expectations.<br />
My guess is that if really concrete progress doesn&#8217;t appear by say, January you&#8217;re going to see a really ugly electorate just in time for the early primaries.<br />
Unfortunately this is not up to us, it&#8217;s up to the Iraqi government.</p>
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