Comments on: CARNIVAL OF SMOKE AND MIRRORS http://rightwingnuthouse.com/archives/2007/09/12/carnival-of-smoke-and-mirrors/ Politics served up with a smile... And a stilletto. Tue, 19 May 2026 16:01:22 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.7 hourly 1 By: Robert Conger http://rightwingnuthouse.com/archives/2007/09/12/carnival-of-smoke-and-mirrors/comment-page-1/#comment-922543 Robert Conger Sat, 15 Sep 2007 20:11:38 +0000 http://rightwingnuthouse.com/archives/2007/09/12/carnival-of-smoke-and-mirrors/#comment-922543 The former mayor said his ad “will obviously take the opposite view” from MoveOn.org, which argued in its ad that Gen. David Petraeus is “cooking the books” on Iraq and cherry-picking facts that support his recommendation to keep a large number of troops in Iraq for some time. -Rightwing Nuthouse Move On, I will agree, chose a silly play on words that was inappropriate, and inaccurate as well. However, they are absolutley correct that General Petraeus, generally speaking, did cherry-pick his examples and did paint a deceptive picture of the situation in Iraq. I don't think he lied. I think Petraeus is an honest man. But it is an easy thing to point to Sunnis fighting against al Qaeda in Anbar, but it is easier still to fail to point out that the Sunni tribes fighting against al Qaeda are just that, and nothing more. It does not mean things are better in Iraq, and it certainly doesn't mean that the surge has improved things in Iraq, or that the same Sunni tribes will support al-Malaki's government! (And, insofar as these tribes are effective, their leader was blown to bits the day after the President's speech!) In his testimony, Petraeus declined under questioning to say that the war in Iraq is doing anything to make America more secure; that is, he failed to endorse Bush's fantasy. He is an honest man. Guiliani, on the other hand is a proven liar. He lied to Chris Wallace, of FOX News (you like THEM, don't you?), as this video plainly demonstrates: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T0E0wfShJ58 You're just wrong about the "stupidity" of Move On, except for their choice of a bad headline for one advertisement), and if you think Guilliani is NOT stupid (for putting his Emergency Command Center in the WTC) or if you believe he is not a liar, you're just plain wrong, mister. The former mayor said his ad “will obviously take the opposite view” from MoveOn.org, which argued in its ad that Gen. David Petraeus is “cooking the books” on Iraq and cherry-picking facts that support his recommendation to keep a large number of troops in Iraq for some time.

-Rightwing Nuthouse

Move On, I will agree, chose a silly play on words that was inappropriate, and inaccurate as well.

However, they are absolutley correct that General Petraeus, generally speaking, did cherry-pick his examples and did paint a deceptive picture of the situation in Iraq. I don’t think he lied. I think Petraeus is an honest man. But it is an easy thing to point to Sunnis fighting against al Qaeda in Anbar, but it is easier still to fail to point out that the Sunni tribes fighting against al Qaeda are just that, and nothing more. It does not mean things are better in Iraq, and it certainly doesn’t mean that the surge has improved things in Iraq, or that the same Sunni tribes will support al-Malaki’s government! (And, insofar as these tribes are effective, their leader was blown to bits the day after the President’s speech!)

In his testimony, Petraeus declined under questioning to say that the war in Iraq is doing anything to make America more secure; that is, he failed to endorse Bush’s fantasy. He is an honest man.

Guiliani, on the other hand is a proven liar. He lied to Chris Wallace, of FOX News (you like THEM, don’t you?), as this video plainly demonstrates:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T0E0wfShJ58

You’re just wrong about the “stupidity” of Move On, except for their choice of a bad headline for one advertisement), and if you think Guilliani is NOT stupid (for putting his Emergency Command Center in the WTC) or if you believe he is not a liar, you’re just plain wrong, mister.

]]> By: Old Mike http://rightwingnuthouse.com/archives/2007/09/12/carnival-of-smoke-and-mirrors/comment-page-1/#comment-915768 Old Mike Thu, 13 Sep 2007 04:27:05 +0000 http://rightwingnuthouse.com/archives/2007/09/12/carnival-of-smoke-and-mirrors/#comment-915768 What did you expect Rick? It never occured to the democrats when they agreed to send Gen. Petreaus to Iraq that his strategy would be so successful. If he continues to be successful it will probably cost them the 2008 elections and it looks like the outcome is slipping out of their control. What did you expect Rick? It never occured to the democrats when they agreed to send Gen. Petreaus to Iraq that his strategy would be so successful. If he continues to be successful it will probably cost them the 2008 elections and it looks like the outcome is slipping out of their control.

]]> By: ajmontana http://rightwingnuthouse.com/archives/2007/09/12/carnival-of-smoke-and-mirrors/comment-page-1/#comment-913953 ajmontana Wed, 12 Sep 2007 12:40:42 +0000 http://rightwingnuthouse.com/archives/2007/09/12/carnival-of-smoke-and-mirrors/#comment-913953 oh, and dont forget Biden and others telling the kind General and Ambassador to SHORTEN their answers!!! Being from Cal. the Boxer spew really ticked me off. oh, and dont forget Biden and others telling the kind General and Ambassador to SHORTEN their answers!!! Being from Cal. the Boxer spew really ticked me off.

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