Comments on: BUSH’S IRAQ UNRECOGNIZABLE FROM THE REAL THING http://rightwingnuthouse.com/archives/2007/09/13/bushs-iraq-unrecognizable-from-the-real-thing/ Politics served up with a smile... And a stilletto. Thu, 16 Apr 2026 01:54:18 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.7 hourly 1 By: Cest Moi Political Blog http://rightwingnuthouse.com/archives/2007/09/13/bushs-iraq-unrecognizable-from-the-real-thing/comment-page-1/#comment-1642217 Cest Moi Political Blog Wed, 10 Sep 2008 00:46:42 +0000 http://rightwingnuthouse.com/archives/2007/09/13/bushs-iraq-unrecognizable-from-the-real-thing/#comment-1642217 <strong>Mr. Bush Takes Us On The 8th Flight Of Fancy On Iraq...</strong> By:  Megan Donovan  Well that was like a 17 minute and 20 second mushroom trip.  At about 2 minutes into the speech I realized I had assumed my usual “listening to Bush” stance.  One eyebrow quizzically raised, jaw slightly drop... Mr. Bush Takes Us On The 8th Flight Of Fancy On Iraq…

By:  Megan Donovan 
Well that was like a 17 minute and 20 second mushroom trip.  At about 2 minutes into the speech I realized I had assumed my usual “listening to Bush” stance.  One eyebrow quizzically raised, jaw slightly drop…

]]> By: Unpartisan.com Political News and Blog Aggregator http://rightwingnuthouse.com/archives/2007/09/13/bushs-iraq-unrecognizable-from-the-real-thing/comment-page-1/#comment-920343 Unpartisan.com Political News and Blog Aggregator Fri, 14 Sep 2007 21:33:40 +0000 http://rightwingnuthouse.com/archives/2007/09/13/bushs-iraq-unrecognizable-from-the-real-thing/#comment-920343 <strong>Obama: Democrats don't have Iraq votes...</strong> Despite the Iraq war's unpopularity, Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama said Thursday th... Obama: Democrats don’t have Iraq votes…

Despite the Iraq war’s unpopularity, Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama said Thursday th…

]]> By: LarryRiedman http://rightwingnuthouse.com/archives/2007/09/13/bushs-iraq-unrecognizable-from-the-real-thing/comment-page-1/#comment-920306 LarryRiedman Fri, 14 Sep 2007 21:15:59 +0000 http://rightwingnuthouse.com/archives/2007/09/13/bushs-iraq-unrecognizable-from-the-real-thing/#comment-920306 You are cutting President Bush too much slack when you say "he allowed his political opponents to define the war, the mission, even the president’s own motives in going to war while substituting a narrative that savaged him and people who supported him." Look at the realities in Iraq and play back in your mind the statements and decisions of Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Bremer and the rest of the crew -- they're preposterous of themselves; no comments from opponents are needed. Play back in your mind how a legion of inexperienced political hires were sent to run Iraq, the museum looting, Abu Ghraib, no WMDs, etc., etc., etc. -- no comments from opponents are needed. There has been no "narrative substituted." This story is all Bush's. You are cutting President Bush too much slack when you say “he allowed his political opponents to define the war, the mission, even the president’s own motives in going to war while substituting a narrative that savaged him and people who supported him.”

Look at the realities in Iraq and play back in your mind the statements and decisions of Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Bremer and the rest of the crew — they’re preposterous of themselves; no comments from opponents are needed. Play back in your mind how a legion of inexperienced political hires were sent to run Iraq, the museum looting, Abu Ghraib, no WMDs, etc., etc., etc. — no comments from opponents are needed. There has been no “narrative substituted.” This story is all Bush’s.

]]> By: gregdn http://rightwingnuthouse.com/archives/2007/09/13/bushs-iraq-unrecognizable-from-the-real-thing/comment-page-1/#comment-920150 gregdn Fri, 14 Sep 2007 20:06:26 +0000 http://rightwingnuthouse.com/archives/2007/09/13/bushs-iraq-unrecognizable-from-the-real-thing/#comment-920150 johnmc: Any comparisons with our occupation of S. Korea go out the window when the people we're supposedly protecting start killing our troops. johnmc:
Any comparisons with our occupation of S. Korea go out the window when the people we’re supposedly protecting start killing our troops.

]]> By: busboy33 http://rightwingnuthouse.com/archives/2007/09/13/bushs-iraq-unrecognizable-from-the-real-thing/comment-page-1/#comment-919930 busboy33 Fri, 14 Sep 2007 18:14:27 +0000 http://rightwingnuthouse.com/archives/2007/09/13/bushs-iraq-unrecognizable-from-the-real-thing/#comment-919930 @johnmc: "I think his speech last night finally outlined a realistic end-game: hold, stabilize, drawdown, leave defensive garrisons in place for deterrence (i.e. West Germany, South Korea, etc.). " Thats not a strategy. Hold and Stabilize are goals. Strategies are how you achieve goals. Do I have a strategy for the football game this afternoon? Sure -- score points, and stop the other team from getting any. W has always been great at these vague, good-sounding goals (protect America, spread democracy, stop terrorism, etc.) The trouble is, he doesn't have a strategy for accomplishing the goals. Drawdown -- he's planning a drawdown? I didn't hear that. He's willing to go back to roughly pre-surge levels. Generous of him, since they were going to start rotating out beginning in April anyway regardless of his desires. After that, he's willing to withdraw most of the troops once he gets the "hold and stabilize" thingy . . . which was the plan since 2003. In other words, he'll drawdown the troop level after we win (stabilizing Iraq). How has he ponied up anything new? @johnmc:

“I think his speech last night finally outlined a realistic end-game: hold, stabilize, drawdown, leave defensive garrisons in place for deterrence (i.e. West Germany, South Korea, etc.). ”

Thats not a strategy. Hold and Stabilize are goals. Strategies are how you achieve goals. Do I have a strategy for the football game this afternoon? Sure — score points, and stop the other team from getting any. W has always been great at these vague, good-sounding goals (protect America, spread democracy, stop terrorism, etc.) The trouble is, he doesn’t have a strategy for accomplishing the goals.

Drawdown — he’s planning a drawdown? I didn’t hear that. He’s willing to go back to roughly pre-surge levels. Generous of him, since they were going to start rotating out beginning in April anyway regardless of his desires. After that, he’s willing to withdraw most of the troops once he gets the “hold and stabilize” thingy . . . which was the plan since 2003. In other words, he’ll drawdown the troop level after we win (stabilizing Iraq). How has he ponied up anything new?

]]> By: Other Ed http://rightwingnuthouse.com/archives/2007/09/13/bushs-iraq-unrecognizable-from-the-real-thing/comment-page-1/#comment-919759 Other Ed Fri, 14 Sep 2007 16:44:27 +0000 http://rightwingnuthouse.com/archives/2007/09/13/bushs-iraq-unrecognizable-from-the-real-thing/#comment-919759 Another fine Young Republican leader who would agree with you about the President's speech: http://www.cleveland.com/news/plaindealer/index.ssf?/base/cuyahoga/118976097330620.xml&coll=2 Another fine Young Republican leader who would agree with you about the President’s speech:

http://www.cleveland.com/news/plaindealer/index.ssf?/base/cuyahoga/118976097330620.xml&coll=2

]]> By: Chuck @ Detroit Times http://rightwingnuthouse.com/archives/2007/09/13/bushs-iraq-unrecognizable-from-the-real-thing/comment-page-1/#comment-919567 Chuck @ Detroit Times Fri, 14 Sep 2007 15:06:11 +0000 http://rightwingnuthouse.com/archives/2007/09/13/bushs-iraq-unrecognizable-from-the-real-thing/#comment-919567 That was his 8'th speech, not his 6'th... look it up. :) That was his 8′th speech, not his 6′th… look it up. :)

]]> By: Drongo http://rightwingnuthouse.com/archives/2007/09/13/bushs-iraq-unrecognizable-from-the-real-thing/comment-page-1/#comment-919362 Drongo Fri, 14 Sep 2007 13:37:50 +0000 http://rightwingnuthouse.com/archives/2007/09/13/bushs-iraq-unrecognizable-from-the-real-thing/#comment-919362 "Who here actually thinks that a failure and collapse in Iraq won’t have any tangible effect to them here at home?" Hasn't effected me so far. How has it effected you? Anyway, any conceivable collapse of Iraq is going to effect me far less than a possible war with Iran which is a serious risk the longer we stay in Iraq. “Who here actually thinks that a failure and collapse in Iraq won’t have any tangible effect to them here at home?”

Hasn’t effected me so far. How has it effected you?

Anyway, any conceivable collapse of Iraq is going to effect me far less than a possible war with Iran which is a serious risk the longer we stay in Iraq.

]]> By: Pug http://rightwingnuthouse.com/archives/2007/09/13/bushs-iraq-unrecognizable-from-the-real-thing/comment-page-1/#comment-919359 Pug Fri, 14 Sep 2007 13:36:17 +0000 http://rightwingnuthouse.com/archives/2007/09/13/bushs-iraq-unrecognizable-from-the-real-thing/#comment-919359 <i>He also played his trump card to the Democrats by making it clear that there won’t be a huge or total withdrawal of forces under his administration. He knows that if they win the White House, any significant withdrawal they order that then leads to catastrophe would put the final blame on them.</i> This is cynicism on an unprecedented scale. This is what we've come to in Iraq? How can we pin the blame for the final carnage and catastrophe on the Democrats? What started with weapons of mass destruction and evolved to spreading democracy and freedom has now become nothing more than "we can't leave because there would be genocide". How do you ask a man to be the last one to die for a mistake? You may not like John Kerry, but he nailed it way back in 1971. He also played his trump card to the Democrats by making it clear that there won’t be a huge or total withdrawal of forces under his administration. He knows that if they win the White House, any significant withdrawal they order that then leads to catastrophe would put the final blame on them.

This is cynicism on an unprecedented scale. This is what we’ve come to in Iraq? How can we pin the blame for the final carnage and catastrophe on the Democrats?

What started with weapons of mass destruction and evolved to spreading democracy and freedom has now become nothing more than “we can’t leave because there would be genocide”.

How do you ask a man to be the last one to die for a mistake? You may not like John Kerry, but he nailed it way back in 1971.

]]> By: gregdn http://rightwingnuthouse.com/archives/2007/09/13/bushs-iraq-unrecognizable-from-the-real-thing/comment-page-1/#comment-919326 gregdn Fri, 14 Sep 2007 13:23:15 +0000 http://rightwingnuthouse.com/archives/2007/09/13/bushs-iraq-unrecognizable-from-the-real-thing/#comment-919326 Good post Rick. This war's certainly been fought 'on the cheap'. Not enough troops, good leadership and yes, truth. Good post Rick. This war’s certainly been fought ‘on the cheap’. Not enough troops, good leadership and yes, truth.

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