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		<title>By: WR</title>
		<link>http://rightwingnuthouse.com/archives/2007/09/21/the-chasm-between-us/comment-page-1/#comment-945481</link>
		<dc:creator>WR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Sep 2007 01:38:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Rick,

Like you, I was trying to understand the "chasm" between us. And I felt I'd understood you clearly when you wrote: "They oppose the Iranian regime on an intellectual level but canâ€™t make the leap to opposing them on the only level you can effectively fight them â€“ the gut churning emotional level where you can feel something is either absolutely right or terribly wrong. Without moral certitude in fighting the Ahmadinejad/Attas of this world, we will lose. We will lose because they are certain that they are in the right."

This to me sounds like a call to war -- a call to war based on emotion. And it seems to be saying that liberals are actually inferior because they can't whip themselves up into a berserker rage, believing everything they do is good and everything the other guy does is evil, thus allowing them to commit unspeakable atrocities.

If I misread you, I apologize. But if you're actually trying to bridge this "chasm," why is it that when I respond in what I believed was a polite manner, you flew into a rage? "Don't be an idiot." "Read the damn post." It's funny, I thought that you were one of the rare right-wingers who actually liked a conversation with people who don't simply parrot back your ideas and tell you how brilliant you are. 

Oh well. I'm sure there's one out there somewhere.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Rick,</p>
<p>Like you, I was trying to understand the &#8220;chasm&#8221; between us. And I felt I&#8217;d understood you clearly when you wrote: &#8220;They oppose the Iranian regime on an intellectual level but canâ€™t make the leap to opposing them on the only level you can effectively fight them â€“ the gut churning emotional level where you can feel something is either absolutely right or terribly wrong. Without moral certitude in fighting the Ahmadinejad/Attas of this world, we will lose. We will lose because they are certain that they are in the right.&#8221;</p>
<p>This to me sounds like a call to war &#8212; a call to war based on emotion. And it seems to be saying that liberals are actually inferior because they can&#8217;t whip themselves up into a berserker rage, believing everything they do is good and everything the other guy does is evil, thus allowing them to commit unspeakable atrocities.</p>
<p>If I misread you, I apologize. But if you&#8217;re actually trying to bridge this &#8220;chasm,&#8221; why is it that when I respond in what I believed was a polite manner, you flew into a rage? &#8220;Don&#8217;t be an idiot.&#8221; &#8220;Read the damn post.&#8221; It&#8217;s funny, I thought that you were one of the rare right-wingers who actually liked a conversation with people who don&#8217;t simply parrot back your ideas and tell you how brilliant you are. </p>
<p>Oh well. I&#8217;m sure there&#8217;s one out there somewhere.</p>
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		<title>By: busboy33</title>
		<link>http://rightwingnuthouse.com/archives/2007/09/21/the-chasm-between-us/comment-page-1/#comment-945218</link>
		<dc:creator>busboy33</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Sep 2007 23:44:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Zbigniew Mazurak :

"Actually, the authorities of Poland have forbidden him, and all other Holocaust deniers, to come to Poland â€“ and rightly so."

I've learned something new today -- thank you.  I know that deniers have visited, but perhaps they wern't identified as deniers before their visit.

I can understand the logic of banning them.  No doubt a denier will only see what they want to see.  My way of looking at it was there's absolutely no chance of making them re-assess their views if they can't see it for themselves, but I guess the government is taking the safer approach.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Zbigniew Mazurak :</p>
<p>&#8220;Actually, the authorities of Poland have forbidden him, and all other Holocaust deniers, to come to Poland â€“ and rightly so.&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve learned something new today &#8212; thank you.  I know that deniers have visited, but perhaps they wern&#8217;t identified as deniers before their visit.</p>
<p>I can understand the logic of banning them.  No doubt a denier will only see what they want to see.  My way of looking at it was there&#8217;s absolutely no chance of making them re-assess their views if they can&#8217;t see it for themselves, but I guess the government is taking the safer approach.</p>
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		<title>By: CDOR</title>
		<link>http://rightwingnuthouse.com/archives/2007/09/21/the-chasm-between-us/comment-page-1/#comment-942287</link>
		<dc:creator>CDOR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Sep 2007 22:50:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent, thought provoking piece,Rick. When I was a young man, I fervently believed that Truth only existed in shades of gray. Now as a relatively older man of 60 years, I see a lot more black and white. Time and experience affects us all in different ways. 
Maybe President Bush could use this situation as an opportunity. You, Mr. Achmindenizad(?), are welcome to lay a reaf at Ground Zero, and thank you for your concern. I, George Bush, wish very much to set a stone on the site of our former embassy in Iran. I believe you, Mr. Achmindenizad remember that place, don't you? If not I'll be glad to refresh your memory...
And, of course, you may speak at our Universities. I am certain that reciprosity will be immediate as we Americans have a number of people who would love to dialogue with your students as well.
P.S.
I could think of a number of better candidates than "Mr. Peeps" however.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent, thought provoking piece,Rick. When I was a young man, I fervently believed that Truth only existed in shades of gray. Now as a relatively older man of 60 years, I see a lot more black and white. Time and experience affects us all in different ways.<br />
Maybe President Bush could use this situation as an opportunity. You, Mr. Achmindenizad(?), are welcome to lay a reaf at Ground Zero, and thank you for your concern. I, George Bush, wish very much to set a stone on the site of our former embassy in Iran. I believe you, Mr. Achmindenizad remember that place, don&#8217;t you? If not I&#8217;ll be glad to refresh your memory&#8230;<br />
And, of course, you may speak at our Universities. I am certain that reciprosity will be immediate as we Americans have a number of people who would love to dialogue with your students as well.<br />
P.S.<br />
I could think of a number of better candidates than &#8220;Mr. Peeps&#8221; however.</p>
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		<title>By: Rick Moran</title>
		<link>http://rightwingnuthouse.com/archives/2007/09/21/the-chasm-between-us/comment-page-1/#comment-942125</link>
		<dc:creator>Rick Moran</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Sep 2007 21:24:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>WR:

Don't be an idiot.

To compare relying on emotions to make a decision on whether to start a war that might end civilization with being outraged at a visit to Ground Zero by a terrorist is so far our of whack as to seriously question your mental stability.

Of course you make life and death, war and peace decisions based on rational, reasoned analysis. I never said otherwise. I never hinted otherwise. You missed the point of the piece either because it went over your head or you don't read very well. Read my excerpt in #14 above.

And next time, before you comment, read the damn post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WR:</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t be an idiot.</p>
<p>To compare relying on emotions to make a decision on whether to start a war that might end civilization with being outraged at a visit to Ground Zero by a terrorist is so far our of whack as to seriously question your mental stability.</p>
<p>Of course you make life and death, war and peace decisions based on rational, reasoned analysis. I never said otherwise. I never hinted otherwise. You missed the point of the piece either because it went over your head or you don&#8217;t read very well. Read my excerpt in #14 above.</p>
<p>And next time, before you comment, read the damn post.</p>
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		<title>By: WR</title>
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		<dc:creator>WR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Sep 2007 19:59:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe one difference between left and right on this issue is that some of us on the left think that the "gut churning emotional level" is exactly the wrong place to make decisions that will effect the lives of millions of people. We -- well, let me just speak for myself -- believe that it is crucial NOT to act on emotions that spin us into self-righteous fury, but to get them under control, and then calmly consider what actions will best serve our desired outcome.

Maybe this sounds like mental illness to you, I don't know. But what I do know is that in the early '60s, back when we had a different "no more complete enemey," -- one that did actually have the power to hurt or even destroy us -- the "gut churning emotional level" response to the discovery that the USSR had placed missiles on Cuba was to blow them off the island -- the very response that some like Curtis LeMay advocated -- despite the very real probablility that doing so would start the nuclear war that would kill hundreds of millions. JFK, although undoubtedly as gut-churned as any American president would have been under the circumstances, wisely ignored that anger and worked out a solution that calmed the situation and saved untold numbers of people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe one difference between left and right on this issue is that some of us on the left think that the &#8220;gut churning emotional level&#8221; is exactly the wrong place to make decisions that will effect the lives of millions of people. We &#8212; well, let me just speak for myself &#8212; believe that it is crucial NOT to act on emotions that spin us into self-righteous fury, but to get them under control, and then calmly consider what actions will best serve our desired outcome.</p>
<p>Maybe this sounds like mental illness to you, I don&#8217;t know. But what I do know is that in the early &#8217;60s, back when we had a different &#8220;no more complete enemey,&#8221; &#8212; one that did actually have the power to hurt or even destroy us &#8212; the &#8220;gut churning emotional level&#8221; response to the discovery that the USSR had placed missiles on Cuba was to blow them off the island &#8212; the very response that some like Curtis LeMay advocated &#8212; despite the very real probablility that doing so would start the nuclear war that would kill hundreds of millions. JFK, although undoubtedly as gut-churned as any American president would have been under the circumstances, wisely ignored that anger and worked out a solution that calmed the situation and saved untold numbers of people.</p>
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		<title>By: kreiz</title>
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		<dc:creator>kreiz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Sep 2007 16:41:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is undeniably a great chasm between the right and the left on many issues (esp. on the inernet), but there remains a groundswell of quiet, non-idelogical moderates who intuitively understand that Ahmadinejad has forfeited his right to waltz into Ground Zero and grandstand because, among other things, he's threatened genocide, denied the Holocaust and provided aid to our Iraqi opponents.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is undeniably a great chasm between the right and the left on many issues (esp. on the inernet), but there remains a groundswell of quiet, non-idelogical moderates who intuitively understand that Ahmadinejad has forfeited his right to waltz into Ground Zero and grandstand because, among other things, he&#8217;s threatened genocide, denied the Holocaust and provided aid to our Iraqi opponents.</p>
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		<title>By: johnmc</title>
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		<dc:creator>johnmc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Sep 2007 16:39:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, I still say as I did in another post, keep him from Ground Zero, but let him speak to whoever wants to hear what he has to say.  The more he speaks, the more crazier he and his ideology sound.

Then, let the liberal appeasers take their stand.  They will either see him as a threat to be dealt with or someone to be bought off as in the Clinton Era.

As Reagan said, the average American is smart enough to figure things out on their own and the liberals will dig themselves a little more deeper in their hole with the fly-over states.

Let him speak at Columbia, I think it will be a fun horror show to watch.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I still say as I did in another post, keep him from Ground Zero, but let him speak to whoever wants to hear what he has to say.  The more he speaks, the more crazier he and his ideology sound.</p>
<p>Then, let the liberal appeasers take their stand.  They will either see him as a threat to be dealt with or someone to be bought off as in the Clinton Era.</p>
<p>As Reagan said, the average American is smart enough to figure things out on their own and the liberals will dig themselves a little more deeper in their hole with the fly-over states.</p>
<p>Let him speak at Columbia, I think it will be a fun horror show to watch.</p>
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		<title>By: Zbigniew Mazurak</title>
		<link>http://rightwingnuthouse.com/archives/2007/09/21/the-chasm-between-us/comment-page-1/#comment-941469</link>
		<dc:creator>Zbigniew Mazurak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Sep 2007 15:38:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>'So, since heâ€™s denied the Holocaust, if he wanted to visit Auschweitz, he should be banned? Wouldnâ€™t it make more sense to want him to go there, see it with his own eyes, stick the stink of it right in his face?'

Actually, the authorities of Poland have forbidden him, and all other Holocaust deniers, to come to Poland - and rightly so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8216;So, since heâ€™s denied the Holocaust, if he wanted to visit Auschweitz, he should be banned? Wouldnâ€™t it make more sense to want him to go there, see it with his own eyes, stick the stink of it right in his face?&#8217;</p>
<p>Actually, the authorities of Poland have forbidden him, and all other Holocaust deniers, to come to Poland - and rightly so.</p>
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		<title>By: Rick Moran</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rick Moran</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Sep 2007 14:19:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here's my piece on Carriles:

 http://rightwingnuthouse.com/archives/2005/08/19/bring-me-the-head-of-luis-posada-carriles/

And here's what you didn't read in my post:

&lt;em&gt;Now before everyone gets all bent out of shape let me make a couple of observations. First, I believe criticism by the left of the rightâ€™s moral certainty about everything is well founded in some instances. It is just as idiotic to believe that everything is black and white as it is to believe that everything is shades of gray.&lt;/em&gt;

Obviously, I believe that there are times that moral certitude is required and other times where moral relativeness serves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s my piece on Carriles:</p>
<p> <a href="http://rightwingnuthouse.com/archives/2005/08/19/bring-me-the-head-of-luis-posada-carriles/" rel="nofollow">http://rightwingnuthouse.com/archives/2005/08/19/bring-me-the-head-of-luis-posada-carriles/</a></p>
<p>And here&#8217;s what you didn&#8217;t read in my post:</p>
<p><em>Now before everyone gets all bent out of shape let me make a couple of observations. First, I believe criticism by the left of the rightâ€™s moral certainty about everything is well founded in some instances. It is just as idiotic to believe that everything is black and white as it is to believe that everything is shades of gray.</em></p>
<p>Obviously, I believe that there are times that moral certitude is required and other times where moral relativeness serves.</p>
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		<title>By: Gregdn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gregdn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Sep 2007 14:05:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rick, the moral certitude you talk about doesn't exist- on this planet or any other.
For example- wasn't that Mr. Bush I just saw meeting with Sunni Chieftains you know, the guys who were killing our boys just scant weeks ago?  They were terorists then.  Shouldn't we pack them off to Gitmo?
Secondly- are you familiar with the Luis Carillo case?  The man was convicted of blowing a Cuban airliner out of the sky.  He's wanted in both Cuba and Venezuela yet he's walking around free in this country (which he entered illegally) because we refuse to extradite him.  I guess one man's 'terrorist' really is another's 'freedom fighter'.
The only 'certainty' in the right wing's moral certitude is that it will reflect whatever's coming from a Republican White House on any given day (with the notable exception of its views on immigration).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rick, the moral certitude you talk about doesn&#8217;t exist- on this planet or any other.<br />
For example- wasn&#8217;t that Mr. Bush I just saw meeting with Sunni Chieftains you know, the guys who were killing our boys just scant weeks ago?  They were terorists then.  Shouldn&#8217;t we pack them off to Gitmo?<br />
Secondly- are you familiar with the Luis Carillo case?  The man was convicted of blowing a Cuban airliner out of the sky.  He&#8217;s wanted in both Cuba and Venezuela yet he&#8217;s walking around free in this country (which he entered illegally) because we refuse to extradite him.  I guess one man&#8217;s &#8216;terrorist&#8217; really is another&#8217;s &#8216;freedom fighter&#8217;.<br />
The only &#8216;certainty&#8217; in the right wing&#8217;s moral certitude is that it will reflect whatever&#8217;s coming from a Republican White House on any given day (with the notable exception of its views on immigration).</p>
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