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	<title>Comments on: A DEBATE THAT NEVER WAS BUT NEEDS TO HAPPEN (SEE UPDATE III)</title>
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		<title>By: Hawaii Ending Universal Child Health Care After 7 Months Because Mamilies Were Dropping Private Coverage So Their Children Would Be Eligible For The Subsidized Plan &#124; Right Voices</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hawaii Ending Universal Child Health Care After 7 Months Because Mamilies Were Dropping Private Coverage So Their Children Would Be Eligible For The Subsidized Plan &#124; Right Voices</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Oct 2008 15:24:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Right Wing Nut House » A DEBATE THAT NEVER WAS BUT NEEDS TO HAPPEN [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Hawaii Ending Universal Child Health Care After 7 Months Because Mamilies Were Dropping Private Coverage So Their Children Would Be Eligible For The Subsidized Plan &#124; Right Voices</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hawaii Ending Universal Child Health Care After 7 Months Because Mamilies Were Dropping Private Coverage So Their Children Would Be Eligible For The Subsidized Plan &#124; Right Voices</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Oct 2008 15:24:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Right Wing Nut House » A DEBATE THAT NEVER WAS BUT NEEDS TO HAPPEN [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Hard Starboard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hard Starboard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Oct 2007 13:32:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;And The Children Shall Bleed...&lt;/strong&gt;

As a post-scriptual riposte to the "sliming" of young Graeme that questioning his parents' judgment supposedly is, check out Jon Henke's reminiscence about Noah McCullough, the nine-year-old boy who "lobbied" Congress two and a half years ago in ...</description>
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<p>As a post-scriptual riposte to the &#8220;sliming&#8221; of young Graeme that questioning his parents&#8217; judgment supposedly is, check out Jon Henke&#8217;s reminiscence about Noah McCullough, the nine-year-old boy who &#8220;lobbied&#8221; Congress two and a half years ago in &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: WurfWhile &#187; Blog Archive &#187; What Bill Baar Gets Right And Wrong About My SCHIP And Congressman Biggert Post</title>
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		<dc:creator>WurfWhile &#187; Blog Archive &#187; What Bill Baar Gets Right And Wrong About My SCHIP And Congressman Biggert Post</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Oct 2007 05:39:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Bill Baar and those he points to seem to view freedom in the famous words of Janis Joplin (Kris Kristofferson) as &#8220;just another word/For nothin&#8217; left to lose/And nothin&#8217; ain&#8217;t worth nothin&#8217;, but it&#8217;s free.&#8221; Roosevelt, and it seems Ickes, believed that freedom wasn&#8217;t enough, that &#8220;Necessitous men are not free men&#8221; and therefore some basic rights, including health care, are necessary to provide people with sufficient security to act independently. In other words they believed in liberty, freedom from the arbitrary use of power (i.e. freedom under law (governance)). Both the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution of the United States envisioned Americans living in liberty and equality*, under law. Providing health care, especially to our children, is the moral thing to do and in keeping with the American tradition. Not to do so is something else. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Bill Baar and those he points to seem to view freedom in the famous words of Janis Joplin (Kris Kristofferson) as &#8220;just another word/For nothin&#8217; left to lose/And nothin&#8217; ain&#8217;t worth nothin&#8217;, but it&#8217;s free.&#8221; Roosevelt, and it seems Ickes, believed that freedom wasn&#8217;t enough, that &#8220;Necessitous men are not free men&#8221; and therefore some basic rights, including health care, are necessary to provide people with sufficient security to act independently. In other words they believed in liberty, freedom from the arbitrary use of power (i.e. freedom under law (governance)). Both the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution of the United States envisioned Americans living in liberty and equality*, under law. Providing health care, especially to our children, is the moral thing to do and in keeping with the American tradition. Not to do so is something else. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Arena of Ideas &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Weekend thoughts.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Arena of Ideas &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Weekend thoughts.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Oct 2007 23:47:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] After getting called on the carpet for trying to lie about the SCHIP program with a heart tugging tale, Democrats and the media try to strike back. The only problem is, asÂ almost always, the response is filled with partial truths and is absent of actual substance. While we are at it, maybe we should all start smoking because our kid&#8217;s health depends on it (though almost 50% of reciepiantsÂ ofÂ the current SCHIPÂ programs in certain states arent kids). [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] After getting called on the carpet for trying to lie about the SCHIP program with a heart tugging tale, Democrats and the media try to strike back. The only problem is, asÂ almost always, the response is filled with partial truths and is absent of actual substance. While we are at it, maybe we should all start smoking because our kid&#8217;s health depends on it (though almost 50% of reciepiantsÂ ofÂ the current SCHIPÂ programs in certain states arent kids). [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Maggie's Farm</title>
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		<dc:creator>Maggie's Farm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Oct 2007 15:06:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;"Freedom to" vs. "Freedom from," plus Dostoevsky...&lt;/strong&gt;

Some further thoughts about The Barrister's post Freedom? No Thanks, and a word about Erich Fromm:Freedom is about the relationship of the individual to the State. I think of freedom as being a zero-sum game: either freedom, and the heavy responsibili...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>&#8220;Freedom to&#8221; vs. &#8220;Freedom from,&#8221; plus Dostoevsky&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>Some further thoughts about The Barrister&#8217;s post Freedom? No Thanks, and a word about Erich Fromm:Freedom is about the relationship of the individual to the State. I think of freedom as being a zero-sum game: either freedom, and the heavy responsibili&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: SCHIP Debate Being Derailed &#187; Constitutionally Right</title>
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		<dc:creator>SCHIP Debate Being Derailed &#187; Constitutionally Right</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Oct 2007 20:40:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] While those on the left accuse conservatives of attacking an innocent child, those on the right blame the Democrats for putting the child at the forefront of the debate in the first place. RightWingNutHouse summed it up pretty well:  But Iâ€™m not going to sit here and be accused of â€œsmearingâ€ a family when the Democrats believe it is perfectly legitimate political discourse to use the Frosts as a poster family for what is good about SCHIP while not allowing me to use them in the exact same political context to show what is wrong with the program. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] While those on the left accuse conservatives of attacking an innocent child, those on the right blame the Democrats for putting the child at the forefront of the debate in the first place. RightWingNutHouse summed it up pretty well:  But Iâ€™m not going to sit here and be accused of â€œsmearingâ€ a family when the Democrats believe it is perfectly legitimate political discourse to use the Frosts as a poster family for what is good about SCHIP while not allowing me to use them in the exact same political context to show what is wrong with the program. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Captain's Quarters</title>
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		<dc:creator>Captain's Quarters</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Oct 2007 17:47:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Let's Move The S-CHIP Debate Back To Policy...&lt;/strong&gt;

The New York Times takes a look into the storm of controversy over the Frost family in the S-CHIP debate. David Herszenhorn gives a fairly balanced view of the nine-day wonder that the Frosts became, and settles some of the......</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Let&#8217;s Move The S-CHIP Debate Back To Policy&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>The New York Times takes a look into the storm of controversy over the Frost family in the S-CHIP debate. David Herszenhorn gives a fairly balanced view of the nine-day wonder that the Frosts became, and settles some of the&#8230;&#8230;</p>
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