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	<title>Comments on: FRED VS. HUCK: SUBSTANCE VS. STUPID</title>
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		<title>By: Mark Curran</title>
		<link>http://rightwingnuthouse.com/archives/2007/12/13/fred-vs-huck-substance-vs-stupid/comment-page-1/#comment-1282304</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Curran</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Feb 2008 00:45:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fairtax pretends overall prices will come down an amazing 22%, when fairtax "releases" all those taxes from business.

Nonsense.  Its wack math.   Our family business would save 2%, not 22%.  

What FT advocates are doing is -- they are counting ALL the theoretical savings FT has, as being the kind that can lower the price of the final product.

Not so. For example, the business saves 2% of their gross sale price becuase of the elimination of FICA.  Whatever the EMPLOYEES save is immaterial -- it just doesnt matter. The business can't lower its prices by what their EMPLOYEE saves.  

And thats exactly what FT is doing -- counting (in an absurdly optimistic way) of what ALL parties would save.  Then they want the business owner to lower his price that amount --  even if the business didnt save it.

Its crazy. But, much of the FT is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fairtax pretends overall prices will come down an amazing 22%, when fairtax &#8220;releases&#8221; all those taxes from business.</p>
<p>Nonsense.  Its wack math.   Our family business would save 2%, not 22%.  </p>
<p>What FT advocates are doing is &#8212; they are counting ALL the theoretical savings FT has, as being the kind that can lower the price of the final product.</p>
<p>Not so. For example, the business saves 2% of their gross sale price becuase of the elimination of FICA.  Whatever the EMPLOYEES save is immaterial &#8212; it just doesnt matter. The business can&#8217;t lower its prices by what their EMPLOYEE saves.  </p>
<p>And thats exactly what FT is doing &#8212; counting (in an absurdly optimistic way) of what ALL parties would save.  Then they want the business owner to lower his price that amount &#8212;  even if the business didnt save it.</p>
<p>Its crazy. But, much of the FT is.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Curran</title>
		<link>http://rightwingnuthouse.com/archives/2007/12/13/fred-vs-huck-substance-vs-stupid/comment-page-1/#comment-1282291</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Curran</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Feb 2008 00:40:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, Fairtax does have some great parts -- if it worked. 

But thats just the problem: Does the math actually add up?

Do you know that fairtax taxes the federal government, to pay for the federal government? 

Neal Boortz wrote "The federal government itself will become a major taxpayer" (Page 148 in his Fair Tax Book,)

Tax the federal government to pay taxes to the federal government ??

Thats like me pretending I can pay myself 10,000 to cut my own grass. I can write the check, I can even deposit the check. And I can do this every day. But at the end of the month, I don't have 300,000 dollars
.

So the FairTax legislation can mandate the Pentagon pay the US Treasury 200 billion dollars a year for "sales tax"</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, Fairtax does have some great parts &#8212; if it worked. </p>
<p>But thats just the problem: Does the math actually add up?</p>
<p>Do you know that fairtax taxes the federal government, to pay for the federal government? </p>
<p>Neal Boortz wrote &#8220;The federal government itself will become a major taxpayer&#8221; (Page 148 in his Fair Tax Book,)</p>
<p>Tax the federal government to pay taxes to the federal government ??</p>
<p>Thats like me pretending I can pay myself 10,000 to cut my own grass. I can write the check, I can even deposit the check. And I can do this every day. But at the end of the month, I don&#8217;t have 300,000 dollars<br />
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<p>So the FairTax legislation can mandate the Pentagon pay the US Treasury 200 billion dollars a year for &#8220;sales tax&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2007 04:25:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The debate couldn't be called substantive for anyone.

I liked Fred Thompson, but getting an impression for whether a candidate is a typical Republican, a liberal, very conservative, or something else is about all you can get from it.  It is more of a personality contest.

Romney won on appearances, but that can only go so far.

Although Huckabee seemed awkward in the debate this time, he still came through as sincere in his commitment to doing what is right.  That concept is from a Christian perspective which is very important to me, but I would like to have fewer generic Christian references except where it is substantially important.  It seemed that he was frequently reminding us that he is Christian.  I don't need a constant reminder.  I need substance,  But, again, that is not possible to any extent in this kind of debate.

Mike Huckabee has more substance than you give him credit for.  My hope is he would succeed in building a team for his cabinet that brings a more conservative approach to the White House.  We need a strong commitment to tax reform (Fair Tax? Flat Tax?).  He would need to be tough on congress to get it done, but by gaining popular support to exert pressure.  I hope to see more evidence that he can bring that kind of enthusiasm to the people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The debate couldn&#8217;t be called substantive for anyone.</p>
<p>I liked Fred Thompson, but getting an impression for whether a candidate is a typical Republican, a liberal, very conservative, or something else is about all you can get from it.  It is more of a personality contest.</p>
<p>Romney won on appearances, but that can only go so far.</p>
<p>Although Huckabee seemed awkward in the debate this time, he still came through as sincere in his commitment to doing what is right.  That concept is from a Christian perspective which is very important to me, but I would like to have fewer generic Christian references except where it is substantially important.  It seemed that he was frequently reminding us that he is Christian.  I don&#8217;t need a constant reminder.  I need substance,  But, again, that is not possible to any extent in this kind of debate.</p>
<p>Mike Huckabee has more substance than you give him credit for.  My hope is he would succeed in building a team for his cabinet that brings a more conservative approach to the White House.  We need a strong commitment to tax reform (Fair Tax? Flat Tax?).  He would need to be tough on congress to get it done, but by gaining popular support to exert pressure.  I hope to see more evidence that he can bring that kind of enthusiasm to the people.</p>
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		<title>By: borderbum</title>
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		<dc:creator>borderbum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2007 04:22:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rick, you sure nailed Huckabee.  He is probably the best one up there telling the people what they want to hear.  His "Jesus brother to the Devil" remark has a few folks re-thinking their candidate.

Regarding inspiration, I am not inspired with any of the current candidates.  Many of us found that to be a special characteristic in candidates such as Ronald Reagan, John F. Kennedy and if your old enough to remember or have listened to his speeches, Roosevelt.  I think God makes such inspiring candidates available to us at a time of His choosing.

Fred Thompson was encouraged to run for the presidency by thousands of individuals, I among them. Believe me, as a Senator he  really didn't inspire me nor did the few movies I saw in which he acted.  I did watch a few of my wife's Law and Order shows and even in those shows I wouldn't call him inspiring.  So I often wonder what motivated the thousands of individuals to encourage Fred to run for the presidency.

What Ronald Reagan said came from his heart.  What Fred Thompson says comes from his heart. That is why I and I believe the many thousands encouraged Fred Thompson to run for the presidency.

Many folks seem to be locking on to a candidate who is the best snake oil salesman or maybe the best looking or most religious or   the candidate who they believe will best beat the Democratic candidate or whatever regardless of the candidate's consistent conservative values. That could result in more "compassionate conservatism". 

I think Iowan's will be voting their choice primarily on religious issues (Huckabee/Romney).  New Hampshire folks will probably vote for the East Coast candidates(Romney/Guliani).

Most of the folks in country are'nt yet involved in this primary stuff and by the time they are, the early primary election states will probably have had limited the candidate field substantially.

I have this feeling in my gut  that Romney has the personal blessing of the Bush family and possibly many in the Republican Hierarchy and that Romney will go on to be the next compassionate conservative nominee of the Republican Party.  

In the meantime I and many of those other thousands will continue to support the man, who speaks from his heart, the one consistent conservative we feel is best for our country.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rick, you sure nailed Huckabee.  He is probably the best one up there telling the people what they want to hear.  His &#8220;Jesus brother to the Devil&#8221; remark has a few folks re-thinking their candidate.</p>
<p>Regarding inspiration, I am not inspired with any of the current candidates.  Many of us found that to be a special characteristic in candidates such as Ronald Reagan, John F. Kennedy and if your old enough to remember or have listened to his speeches, Roosevelt.  I think God makes such inspiring candidates available to us at a time of His choosing.</p>
<p>Fred Thompson was encouraged to run for the presidency by thousands of individuals, I among them. Believe me, as a Senator he  really didn&#8217;t inspire me nor did the few movies I saw in which he acted.  I did watch a few of my wife&#8217;s Law and Order shows and even in those shows I wouldn&#8217;t call him inspiring.  So I often wonder what motivated the thousands of individuals to encourage Fred to run for the presidency.</p>
<p>What Ronald Reagan said came from his heart.  What Fred Thompson says comes from his heart. That is why I and I believe the many thousands encouraged Fred Thompson to run for the presidency.</p>
<p>Many folks seem to be locking on to a candidate who is the best snake oil salesman or maybe the best looking or most religious or   the candidate who they believe will best beat the Democratic candidate or whatever regardless of the candidate&#8217;s consistent conservative values. That could result in more &#8220;compassionate conservatism&#8221;. </p>
<p>I think Iowan&#8217;s will be voting their choice primarily on religious issues (Huckabee/Romney).  New Hampshire folks will probably vote for the East Coast candidates(Romney/Guliani).</p>
<p>Most of the folks in country are&#8217;nt yet involved in this primary stuff and by the time they are, the early primary election states will probably have had limited the candidate field substantially.</p>
<p>I have this feeling in my gut  that Romney has the personal blessing of the Bush family and possibly many in the Republican Hierarchy and that Romney will go on to be the next compassionate conservative nominee of the Republican Party.  </p>
<p>In the meantime I and many of those other thousands will continue to support the man, who speaks from his heart, the one consistent conservative we feel is best for our country.</p>
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		<title>By: Rick Moran</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rick Moran</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2007 02:38:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You keep making your comments personal I'll ban your fat ass.

As for Thompson, if you have a smidgen of knowledge about the race you'd know that if he can't win somewhere before Tennessee, he's out anyway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You keep making your comments personal I&#8217;ll ban your fat ass.</p>
<p>As for Thompson, if you have a smidgen of knowledge about the race you&#8217;d know that if he can&#8217;t win somewhere before Tennessee, he&#8217;s out anyway.</p>
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		<title>By: Melanie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Melanie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2007 02:19:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The only state Fred can win in the primaries is Tennessee, so if I were you Rick, I would pick another candidate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The only state Fred can win in the primaries is Tennessee, so if I were you Rick, I would pick another candidate.</p>
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		<title>By: HyperIon</title>
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		<dc:creator>HyperIon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2007 00:57:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pierre said: Itâ€™s nothing new. Itâ€™s just something non-christians donâ€™t hear every day.

um...no. As a lapsed Southern Baptist I can tell *tesitfiy* that only this denomination so stresses that "a wife must submit to the will of her husband". Because it's in the Bible, which is deemed inerrant by the Southern Baptists. So I would amend your stmt to read...."something non-Southern Baptists don't hear every day". IMO this is not a sentiment most US Christians agree with. Certainly not those who are female.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pierre said: Itâ€™s nothing new. Itâ€™s just something non-christians donâ€™t hear every day.</p>
<p>um&#8230;no. As a lapsed Southern Baptist I can tell *tesitfiy* that only this denomination so stresses that &#8220;a wife must submit to the will of her husband&#8221;. Because it&#8217;s in the Bible, which is deemed inerrant by the Southern Baptists. So I would amend your stmt to read&#8230;.&#8221;something non-Southern Baptists don&#8217;t hear every day&#8221;. IMO this is not a sentiment most US Christians agree with. Certainly not those who are female.</p>
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		<title>By: Juan Paxety</title>
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		<dc:creator>Juan Paxety</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2007 23:28:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I grew up in the south and watched Southern politicians for years.  The idea folks in other parts of the country have, that Southern politicians are conservatives, is absurd.  For the most part, they are Bill Clinton and George Wallace - stick the finger in the air, take note of the way the wind is blowing, then pontificate as though they might actually support that position.  They never actually say anything - they simply sound like they might be.  They are not conservatives - they are populists, just as Jimmy Carter was.  Full disclosure - as a native Georgian, I had eight chances to vote against Carter and took advantage of every one of them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I grew up in the south and watched Southern politicians for years.  The idea folks in other parts of the country have, that Southern politicians are conservatives, is absurd.  For the most part, they are Bill Clinton and George Wallace - stick the finger in the air, take note of the way the wind is blowing, then pontificate as though they might actually support that position.  They never actually say anything - they simply sound like they might be.  They are not conservatives - they are populists, just as Jimmy Carter was.  Full disclosure - as a native Georgian, I had eight chances to vote against Carter and took advantage of every one of them.</p>
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		<title>By: Fausta</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fausta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2007 22:23:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Huckabee = Jimmy Carter</description>
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		<title>By: Headhunt23</title>
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		<dc:creator>Headhunt23</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2007 21:03:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If Huckabee is the Republican Nominee, I will vote for the Democrat.  Seriously.  The republic can survive 4-8 years of Hillary, the Manchurian Candidate or the Silk Pony.  Conservativism would never survive a President Huckabee, especially after 8 years of Bush.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If Huckabee is the Republican Nominee, I will vote for the Democrat.  Seriously.  The republic can survive 4-8 years of Hillary, the Manchurian Candidate or the Silk Pony.  Conservativism would never survive a President Huckabee, especially after 8 years of Bush.</p>
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