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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://rightwingnuthouse.com/archives/2008/01/13/huckasplitter/comment-page-1/#comment-1212491</link>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2008 22:30:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think everyone needs to take a deep breath...even Rick.  It does no good to demonize social conservatives for Huckabee's practice of identiy politics.  

Social conservatives are one of the three legs to the conservative movement (along with fiscal and foreign policy conservatives).  Every individual is going to have a different set of priorities.  For some, social conservatism may be their priority, while they are indifferent to fiscal and foreign policy.  For others, the priorities will be different. 

All three groups need each other and, really, have no where else to go.  As reported in the Corner:
"Richard Land, the top public policy official of the Southern Baptist Convention, argued that just as small-government and foreign-policy conservatives could not win a primary without evangelicals, "I don't think evangelicals can win without most of the rest of those coalitions."  

As a former military - evangelical - economist, I strongly believe in all three legs of the conservative movement.  I have no problem with people criticizing Huckabee's use of identity politics or his demagoguery.  I find Huckabee's quote above particularly distasteful considering its inaccuracy - I think any rational person would have to admit that President Bush is the leader of the party, a social conservative, and an evangelical christian - so its not like social con's have been told to sit down and shut up as Huckabee contends.

On the other hand, many people are starting to attack all socail conservatives for Huckabee's success at the pols.  This only causes anger and is counter productive.  Rick seems so fit to be tied that he contradicts himself - first saying that he would "care less if the evangelical social cons threw a tantrum and walked out" and then lamenting what would happen if they did. 

It is widely known that Huckabee's core base is evangelical christians but that does not mean that they mindlessly support all of his positions.  Chances are they do not even KNOW most of his positions just as Gulianni or McCain supporters probably don't know all of their positions.  Huckabee is a very good orator and comes across as very likable.  He is focusing on social conservative themes and trying to ignore/deflect everything else.  The MSM is happy to let him do this and, unfortunately, in the big scheme of things, not too many people read National Review, Powerline, Townhall, Rightwing Nuthouse, etc.  

As such, I would suggest that everyone continue to educate voters about Huckabee's record but don't attack all of his current supporters as idiots.  It's just not productive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think everyone needs to take a deep breath&#8230;even Rick.  It does no good to demonize social conservatives for Huckabee&#8217;s practice of identiy politics.  </p>
<p>Social conservatives are one of the three legs to the conservative movement (along with fiscal and foreign policy conservatives).  Every individual is going to have a different set of priorities.  For some, social conservatism may be their priority, while they are indifferent to fiscal and foreign policy.  For others, the priorities will be different. </p>
<p>All three groups need each other and, really, have no where else to go.  As reported in the Corner:<br />
&#8220;Richard Land, the top public policy official of the Southern Baptist Convention, argued that just as small-government and foreign-policy conservatives could not win a primary without evangelicals, &#8220;I don&#8217;t think evangelicals can win without most of the rest of those coalitions.&#8221;  </p>
<p>As a former military - evangelical - economist, I strongly believe in all three legs of the conservative movement.  I have no problem with people criticizing Huckabee&#8217;s use of identity politics or his demagoguery.  I find Huckabee&#8217;s quote above particularly distasteful considering its inaccuracy - I think any rational person would have to admit that President Bush is the leader of the party, a social conservative, and an evangelical christian - so its not like social con&#8217;s have been told to sit down and shut up as Huckabee contends.</p>
<p>On the other hand, many people are starting to attack all socail conservatives for Huckabee&#8217;s success at the pols.  This only causes anger and is counter productive.  Rick seems so fit to be tied that he contradicts himself - first saying that he would &#8220;care less if the evangelical social cons threw a tantrum and walked out&#8221; and then lamenting what would happen if they did. </p>
<p>It is widely known that Huckabee&#8217;s core base is evangelical christians but that does not mean that they mindlessly support all of his positions.  Chances are they do not even KNOW most of his positions just as Gulianni or McCain supporters probably don&#8217;t know all of their positions.  Huckabee is a very good orator and comes across as very likable.  He is focusing on social conservative themes and trying to ignore/deflect everything else.  The MSM is happy to let him do this and, unfortunately, in the big scheme of things, not too many people read National Review, Powerline, Townhall, Rightwing Nuthouse, etc.  </p>
<p>As such, I would suggest that everyone continue to educate voters about Huckabee&#8217;s record but don&#8217;t attack all of his current supporters as idiots.  It&#8217;s just not productive.</p>
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		<title>By: zeke</title>
		<link>http://rightwingnuthouse.com/archives/2008/01/13/huckasplitter/comment-page-1/#comment-1210879</link>
		<dc:creator>zeke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2008 05:25:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>IT AIN'T A MOVEMENT! There is no conservative MOVEMENT. There never was. It's just another coalition. Socons are just the temperance movement reincarnated. They threw their lot in with Reagan 'cuz they had nowhere else to go and Reagan pandered to them. What did Reagan ever do about abortion? Socons are as quick as libs to use the federal gov't as a stick on everyone else.

Just imagine... Pat Buchanan-isolationist, James Dobson-superSocon, G.W.Bush-big Govt Globalist, Huckleberry-bleeding heart, McCain-Mr.BiPartisan...  ALL claiming to be conservatives and not much in common. Movement my @ss!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>IT AIN&#8217;T A MOVEMENT! There is no conservative MOVEMENT. There never was. It&#8217;s just another coalition. Socons are just the temperance movement reincarnated. They threw their lot in with Reagan &#8216;cuz they had nowhere else to go and Reagan pandered to them. What did Reagan ever do about abortion? Socons are as quick as libs to use the federal gov&#8217;t as a stick on everyone else.</p>
<p>Just imagine&#8230; Pat Buchanan-isolationist, James Dobson-superSocon, G.W.Bush-big Govt Globalist, Huckleberry-bleeding heart, McCain-Mr.BiPartisan&#8230;  ALL claiming to be conservatives and not much in common. Movement my @ss!</p>
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		<title>By: Huckabee Presents False Choice &#171; Axis of Right</title>
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		<dc:creator>Huckabee Presents False Choice &#171; Axis of Right</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2008 03:02:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Hat tip on first link to The Right Wing Nut House and Mark Levin. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Hat tip on first link to The Right Wing Nut House and Mark Levin. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Sandra Mendoza</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sandra Mendoza</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2008 01:54:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Huckabee,hoist on his own petard:


A little game, Foxworthy style:

You might be a liberal ifâ€¦..
You raise taxes $505 million dollars.

You might be a liberal ifâ€¦..
you are endorsed by NEA.

You might be a liberal ifâ€¦..
You pardon or grant clemency to 1033 criminals including murderers and rapists.

You might be a liberal ifâ€¦..
your campaign declares the Reagan Coalition dead.

You might be a liberal ifâ€¦..
You support a nationwide Federal ban on smoking.

You might be a liberal ifâ€¦..
You call the Presidentâ€™s strategy an â€œarrogant bunker mentality.

You might be a liberal ifâ€¦..
The well respected CATO institute gives you a 45 â€œFâ€ rating on taxes.

You might be a liberal ifâ€¦..
You favor giving in-state tuition scholarships to illegal immigrants.

You might be a liberal ifâ€¦..
Rush Limbaugh spends most of his show pointing why you are not a conservative.

And finally, You might be a liberal ifâ€¦..
On election night, CNN shows the Democrats yelling, chanting, dancing, and clapping uncontrollably when they hear that you won Iowa!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Huckabee,hoist on his own petard:</p>
<p>A little game, Foxworthy style:</p>
<p>You might be a liberal ifâ€¦..<br />
You raise taxes $505 million dollars.</p>
<p>You might be a liberal ifâ€¦..<br />
you are endorsed by NEA.</p>
<p>You might be a liberal ifâ€¦..<br />
You pardon or grant clemency to 1033 criminals including murderers and rapists.</p>
<p>You might be a liberal ifâ€¦..<br />
your campaign declares the Reagan Coalition dead.</p>
<p>You might be a liberal ifâ€¦..<br />
You support a nationwide Federal ban on smoking.</p>
<p>You might be a liberal ifâ€¦..<br />
You call the Presidentâ€™s strategy an â€œarrogant bunker mentality.</p>
<p>You might be a liberal ifâ€¦..<br />
The well respected CATO institute gives you a 45 â€œFâ€ rating on taxes.</p>
<p>You might be a liberal ifâ€¦..<br />
You favor giving in-state tuition scholarships to illegal immigrants.</p>
<p>You might be a liberal ifâ€¦..<br />
Rush Limbaugh spends most of his show pointing why you are not a conservative.</p>
<p>And finally, You might be a liberal ifâ€¦..<br />
On election night, CNN shows the Democrats yelling, chanting, dancing, and clapping uncontrollably when they hear that you won Iowa!</p>
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		<title>By: Sidney Burkett</title>
		<link>http://rightwingnuthouse.com/archives/2008/01/13/huckasplitter/comment-page-1/#comment-1210455</link>
		<dc:creator>Sidney Burkett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2008 01:51:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I still get a chuckle over people who vilify Huckabee for talking about his faith/beliefs and then demand copies of his sermans so they can use them to attack him on his faith/beliefs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I still get a chuckle over people who vilify Huckabee for talking about his faith/beliefs and then demand copies of his sermans so they can use them to attack him on his faith/beliefs.</p>
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		<title>By: retire05</title>
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		<dc:creator>retire05</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2008 01:36:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#10, are you totally clueless?  What does Huckabee talk about ad nauseum?  His "Christianity".  He doesn't have to mention evangelicals.  He is singing to the choir and he knows it. End of story.  But then, even that is not enough to turn me against him.  But the fact that he allowed northwest Arkansas to turn into Little Mexico is. The fact that although he lowered taxes, his tax hikes were more than double the savings.  The fact that he has taken campaign funds from Tyson Foods, who did it best to displace American workers, absolutely turns my stomach.

You think because we don't really appreciate Huckabee's Bible thumping when he is running for President and not Pastor makes us bigots?  Wow! You have really set the bar low, haven't you?

Hell, man, I'd have more faith in Elmer Gantry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#10, are you totally clueless?  What does Huckabee talk about ad nauseum?  His &#8220;Christianity&#8221;.  He doesn&#8217;t have to mention evangelicals.  He is singing to the choir and he knows it. End of story.  But then, even that is not enough to turn me against him.  But the fact that he allowed northwest Arkansas to turn into Little Mexico is. The fact that although he lowered taxes, his tax hikes were more than double the savings.  The fact that he has taken campaign funds from Tyson Foods, who did it best to displace American workers, absolutely turns my stomach.</p>
<p>You think because we don&#8217;t really appreciate Huckabee&#8217;s Bible thumping when he is running for President and not Pastor makes us bigots?  Wow! You have really set the bar low, haven&#8217;t you?</p>
<p>Hell, man, I&#8217;d have more faith in Elmer Gantry.</p>
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		<title>By: syn</title>
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		<dc:creator>syn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2008 01:20:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Since I'm new to Conservatism, Ihave a couple of questions,

Prior to 1973 were social conservative issues (ie marriage, abortion, right to religious expression) even on the ballot?

And prior to Reagan wasn't the Republican Party composed mainly 'country-club' Republicans?

Plumb Bob, I understand your concern though I would point out that President Bush did sign the partical-birth ban after 11 years of struggle.  Quite an accomplishment considering the president does not have the power to amendment anything without Congressional approval.

One reason why I also support Fred! he understands the process by which our government functions.  He knows he cannot offer social conservatives amendments to ban gay marriage or end abortion which is why he is encouraging state rights where, like Rick has mentioned, states establish their own moral code.

Huckabee is the one who is using Christ to identify with his audience; he's pretty much speaking to Christians.

In any case, Huckabee's problem is not his faith in Christianity, his problem is his faith in Socialism; I simply will not worship the State.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since I&#8217;m new to Conservatism, Ihave a couple of questions,</p>
<p>Prior to 1973 were social conservative issues (ie marriage, abortion, right to religious expression) even on the ballot?</p>
<p>And prior to Reagan wasn&#8217;t the Republican Party composed mainly &#8216;country-club&#8217; Republicans?</p>
<p>Plumb Bob, I understand your concern though I would point out that President Bush did sign the partical-birth ban after 11 years of struggle.  Quite an accomplishment considering the president does not have the power to amendment anything without Congressional approval.</p>
<p>One reason why I also support Fred! he understands the process by which our government functions.  He knows he cannot offer social conservatives amendments to ban gay marriage or end abortion which is why he is encouraging state rights where, like Rick has mentioned, states establish their own moral code.</p>
<p>Huckabee is the one who is using Christ to identify with his audience; he&#8217;s pretty much speaking to Christians.</p>
<p>In any case, Huckabee&#8217;s problem is not his faith in Christianity, his problem is his faith in Socialism; I simply will not worship the State.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Watkins</title>
		<link>http://rightwingnuthouse.com/archives/2008/01/13/huckasplitter/comment-page-1/#comment-1210292</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Watkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2008 01:00:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr. Moran, you don't uderstand conservative christians if you think that we are all fooled by Mike Huckabee.  Many of us are true conservatives and can separate our faith from our politics.  We are more important to the party than you think.  Don't insult us because of Mike Huckabee.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Moran, you don&#8217;t uderstand conservative christians if you think that we are all fooled by Mike Huckabee.  Many of us are true conservatives and can separate our faith from our politics.  We are more important to the party than you think.  Don&#8217;t insult us because of Mike Huckabee.</p>
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		<title>By: Becki</title>
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		<dc:creator>Becki</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2008 00:45:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I thought that I was the only conservative that saw the troubling things about Huckabee. Whew, glad I stopped by this blog. I get the feeling that the Huckster's trying to pull the wool over our eyes. He proclaims to be a christian, but when his record is questioned, he has no problem slinging mud. If his record in Arkansas is so great, why does he have so much trouble defending it. I've heard three stories as to why he "had" to raise taxes there. And his stance on illegal immigration is laughable. His demeaner leads me to believe that he's not to be trusted. May GOD have mercy on us all if this clown is our nominee.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought that I was the only conservative that saw the troubling things about Huckabee. Whew, glad I stopped by this blog. I get the feeling that the Huckster&#8217;s trying to pull the wool over our eyes. He proclaims to be a christian, but when his record is questioned, he has no problem slinging mud. If his record in Arkansas is so great, why does he have so much trouble defending it. I&#8217;ve heard three stories as to why he &#8220;had&#8221; to raise taxes there. And his stance on illegal immigration is laughable. His demeaner leads me to believe that he&#8217;s not to be trusted. May GOD have mercy on us all if this clown is our nominee.</p>
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		<title>By: eberta</title>
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		<dc:creator>eberta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2008 00:03:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I understand Governor Huckabee will not release a single transcript of sermons from his days as a "former" Southern Baptist minister.  As an evangelical, I believe the desire would be to get the truth of the gospel out to as many people as possible.  Could it be that the truth of the Gospel Governor Huckabee preached from the pulpit is not exactly lining up with the populism he is preaching now?  I do not know how one called to the ministry becomes a "former" preacher unless perhaps he was "trying it out" for a while.  I have learned he says he decided to "get off the bench" or "off the sidelines" or some such thing, and get into the real game of politics.  As believers, we are called to be salt and light and I firmly believe we should all be involved with our country.  But, wonder why an Itinerate Preacher from Galilee didn't decide to "get into the game" when the masses found out He could feed them with a few loaves and a couple of fish and wanted to make Him a King?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I understand Governor Huckabee will not release a single transcript of sermons from his days as a &#8220;former&#8221; Southern Baptist minister.  As an evangelical, I believe the desire would be to get the truth of the gospel out to as many people as possible.  Could it be that the truth of the Gospel Governor Huckabee preached from the pulpit is not exactly lining up with the populism he is preaching now?  I do not know how one called to the ministry becomes a &#8220;former&#8221; preacher unless perhaps he was &#8220;trying it out&#8221; for a while.  I have learned he says he decided to &#8220;get off the bench&#8221; or &#8220;off the sidelines&#8221; or some such thing, and get into the real game of politics.  As believers, we are called to be salt and light and I firmly believe we should all be involved with our country.  But, wonder why an Itinerate Preacher from Galilee didn&#8217;t decide to &#8220;get into the game&#8221; when the masses found out He could feed them with a few loaves and a couple of fish and wanted to make Him a King?</p>
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