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		<title>By: Tony</title>
		<link>http://rightwingnuthouse.com/archives/2008/01/16/of-gods-standards-and-conservatism/comment-page-1/#comment-1237271</link>
		<dc:creator>Tony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jan 2008 14:33:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;McCarthyâ€™s reference to a â€œbedrock guarantee of freedom of conscienceâ€ is, in fact, the essence of conservatism.&lt;/i&gt;

Oh, that's nice.  And how is one's conscience informed?  So basically whatever one wants to do to whoever they want to do it to is fine and dandy.

"Conscience" implies some objective moral training.  Those who have no objective moral training  can use "conscience" to justify anything.  And a sociopath, without any conscience at all is not constrained at all by the "essence of conservatism".

Count me out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>McCarthyâ€™s reference to a â€œbedrock guarantee of freedom of conscienceâ€ is, in fact, the essence of conservatism.</i></p>
<p>Oh, that&#8217;s nice.  And how is one&#8217;s conscience informed?  So basically whatever one wants to do to whoever they want to do it to is fine and dandy.</p>
<p>&#8220;Conscience&#8221; implies some objective moral training.  Those who have no objective moral training  can use &#8220;conscience&#8221; to justify anything.  And a sociopath, without any conscience at all is not constrained at all by the &#8220;essence of conservatism&#8221;.</p>
<p>Count me out.</p>
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		<title>By: busboy33</title>
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		<dc:creator>busboy33</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jan 2008 21:01:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Sidney Burkett:

"I find it fascinating how many are buying into the Christian = Taliban equivalency, especially on the right. All of a sudden these harmless Christians that have been a large part of the greatness that is America are now dangerous religious fanatics as well."

The problem is (as with every one of these group labels) that Christian beliefs in politcs has many faces, and as usual the most offensive get the most press time.  When people who are not devout think about the Christian/political intersect, the images that spring to mind are Ralph Reed, Focus on the Family, "Don't you dare teach science to my kids", the Terry Schiavo fiasco, and other such imposition characters and situations.
Religion in politics (in America) seems to only make the news if it involves Christians demanding certain behavior or attention, and for anybody that doesn't already 100% agree with those making the noise it always comes off as offensive and fanatical.  Unfortunately, it harms not only the cause of morality/religious ideals in politics but pushes people away from religion in general -- I have many (alleged) Athiest friends that point to Fred Phelps and his protests as a reason they don't want to explore the ideas of religion . . . for them, belief seems to equate with fanatic.
Is it true?  No, but that's the image that gets fostered by the religious attention whores.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Sidney Burkett:</p>
<p>&#8220;I find it fascinating how many are buying into the Christian = Taliban equivalency, especially on the right. All of a sudden these harmless Christians that have been a large part of the greatness that is America are now dangerous religious fanatics as well.&#8221;</p>
<p>The problem is (as with every one of these group labels) that Christian beliefs in politcs has many faces, and as usual the most offensive get the most press time.  When people who are not devout think about the Christian/political intersect, the images that spring to mind are Ralph Reed, Focus on the Family, &#8220;Don&#8217;t you dare teach science to my kids&#8221;, the Terry Schiavo fiasco, and other such imposition characters and situations.<br />
Religion in politics (in America) seems to only make the news if it involves Christians demanding certain behavior or attention, and for anybody that doesn&#8217;t already 100% agree with those making the noise it always comes off as offensive and fanatical.  Unfortunately, it harms not only the cause of morality/religious ideals in politics but pushes people away from religion in general &#8212; I have many (alleged) Athiest friends that point to Fred Phelps and his protests as a reason they don&#8217;t want to explore the ideas of religion . . . for them, belief seems to equate with fanatic.<br />
Is it true?  No, but that&#8217;s the image that gets fostered by the religious attention whores.</p>
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		<title>By: David M</title>
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		<dc:creator>David M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jan 2008 19:53:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Thunder Run has linked to this post in the - &lt;a href="http://thunderrun.blogspot.com/2008/01/web-reconnaissance-for-01172008.html" rel="nofollow"&gt; Web Reconnaissance for 01/17/2008 &lt;/a&gt; A short recon of whatâ€™s out there that might draw your attention, updated throughout the day...so check back often.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Thunder Run has linked to this post in the - <a href="http://thunderrun.blogspot.com/2008/01/web-reconnaissance-for-01172008.html" rel="nofollow"> Web Reconnaissance for 01/17/2008 </a> A short recon of whatâ€™s out there that might draw your attention, updated throughout the day&#8230;so check back often.</p>
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		<title>By: HE HATE ME</title>
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		<dc:creator>HE HATE ME</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jan 2008 17:30:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#9 but if a killer/rapist etc. finds Christ and is "reborn" in prison, Huckleberry would say they're rehabilitated and should walk amongst the free again. Of course the recidivism whereby the formerly lost souls committed further mayhem, murder and rape was unforeseen and they deserved their chances. 

I suppose we all have our religious prejudices. I want nothing to do with so-called "holy men". The ones who have crossed my path have been sanctimonious, holier-than-thou hypocrites of the first order. 

I asked one friend who became a fundamentalist minister about preachers so often getting in parishioners pants, for example. He claimed that the devil puts far more pressure on the very religious because they are a bigger catch for hell. Sure. When I was 37 and smitten by a young lady of a fundamental congregation, that minister took me aside and read the riot act. Seems I was too old, too divorced and too spiritually weak. This while married members were having their extramarital affairs and so forth. The fact that Huckabee is an ordained minister means nothing to me other than I don't trust him and, looking at his "conservative" claims, I think he's a lying sack of spit. There are those of us who don't go so far as to accept atheism, but some of us do find organized religion detestable. 
  Give me someone with executive experience who has done a good job even with stiff opposition to his goals. Senators as a group are rather worthless cogs in the old boys' club.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#9 but if a killer/rapist etc. finds Christ and is &#8220;reborn&#8221; in prison, Huckleberry would say they&#8217;re rehabilitated and should walk amongst the free again. Of course the recidivism whereby the formerly lost souls committed further mayhem, murder and rape was unforeseen and they deserved their chances. </p>
<p>I suppose we all have our religious prejudices. I want nothing to do with so-called &#8220;holy men&#8221;. The ones who have crossed my path have been sanctimonious, holier-than-thou hypocrites of the first order. </p>
<p>I asked one friend who became a fundamentalist minister about preachers so often getting in parishioners pants, for example. He claimed that the devil puts far more pressure on the very religious because they are a bigger catch for hell. Sure. When I was 37 and smitten by a young lady of a fundamental congregation, that minister took me aside and read the riot act. Seems I was too old, too divorced and too spiritually weak. This while married members were having their extramarital affairs and so forth. The fact that Huckabee is an ordained minister means nothing to me other than I don&#8217;t trust him and, looking at his &#8220;conservative&#8221; claims, I think he&#8217;s a lying sack of spit. There are those of us who don&#8217;t go so far as to accept atheism, but some of us do find organized religion detestable.<br />
  Give me someone with executive experience who has done a good job even with stiff opposition to his goals. Senators as a group are rather worthless cogs in the old boys&#8217; club.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jan 2008 16:07:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>He has ZERO chance of becoming President. Even as bad as the Democrat side is, anyone of them would beat him easily (OK, maybe not Edwards). His narrow appeal on the religion side is just not enough reason to vote for him. And maybe reason enough to vote against him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He has ZERO chance of becoming President. Even as bad as the Democrat side is, anyone of them would beat him easily (OK, maybe not Edwards). His narrow appeal on the religion side is just not enough reason to vote for him. And maybe reason enough to vote against him.</p>
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		<title>By: Sidney Burkett</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sidney Burkett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jan 2008 15:40:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Transplanted Texan - That's the thing. It doesn't mean anything specific. It's a vacuous platitude for a captive audience. You may as well try to determine what - for the good of all Americans - means. Which is probably the best secular translation, and a translation which would have served Huckabee a lot better in this age of religious paranoia. 

retire05 â€“ While I was raised Baptist I spent many a Sunday at Catholic mass with my Grandma, aunts and uncles. Yes I understand itâ€™s not idol worship but rather an appeal for intersession. Not a concept I buy into but I can understand why people differ on what it is. People that talk like that are like the little old church lady that said â€“ I use the King James version of the bible because if English was good enough for our lord itâ€™s good enough for me. Ignorance isnâ€™t a sin but it is the human condition.

I find it fascinating how many are buying into the Christian = Taliban equivalency, especially on the right. All of a sudden these harmless Christians that have been a large part of the greatness that is America are now dangerous religious fanatics as well. I am willing to bet that as a Catholic, having a bunch of Protestants think you are an idol worshiper is the least of your concerns, particularly in a country where now your and my supposed political friends are making Catholics and protestants out to be Taliban lite or at best quaint dark age relics if an ignorant past.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Transplanted Texan - That&#8217;s the thing. It doesn&#8217;t mean anything specific. It&#8217;s a vacuous platitude for a captive audience. You may as well try to determine what - for the good of all Americans - means. Which is probably the best secular translation, and a translation which would have served Huckabee a lot better in this age of religious paranoia. </p>
<p>retire05 â€“ While I was raised Baptist I spent many a Sunday at Catholic mass with my Grandma, aunts and uncles. Yes I understand itâ€™s not idol worship but rather an appeal for intersession. Not a concept I buy into but I can understand why people differ on what it is. People that talk like that are like the little old church lady that said â€“ I use the King James version of the bible because if English was good enough for our lord itâ€™s good enough for me. Ignorance isnâ€™t a sin but it is the human condition.</p>
<p>I find it fascinating how many are buying into the Christian = Taliban equivalency, especially on the right. All of a sudden these harmless Christians that have been a large part of the greatness that is America are now dangerous religious fanatics as well. I am willing to bet that as a Catholic, having a bunch of Protestants think you are an idol worshiper is the least of your concerns, particularly in a country where now your and my supposed political friends are making Catholics and protestants out to be Taliban lite or at best quaint dark age relics if an ignorant past.</p>
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		<title>By: purplepeep</title>
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		<dc:creator>purplepeep</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jan 2008 08:58:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Rick,
 - Reverend Huckabee has been given the grace to see the light and pronounce the one true list of standards God has set for us -

Wouldn't you say the "Ten Commandments" would qualify as the list of "God's standards" for mankind?

Many of our laws (and indeed, so much of our nations' history) are derived from that Judeo-Christian list. 

It would seem to me you're attempting to argue that conservatives are at odds with a religious morality, especially one that's reflected in law . I just have never seen  now or in the past. 

I do believe you can find a few individuals who reject the concept, but they are extremely few in number in the real, voting world. But you'll never find a "God/moral code rejecting" Republican party.

Huckabee is a goofball, to be sure, and would have no chance in a general election. But it's record and position on political issues (amnesty for illegals, blame-America foreign policy, etc.) that will sink him with conservatives.

Since he really has no future, I'd ignore him as being as irrelevant as Ron Paul. The only real damage he can do is to cause good candidates to drop out.

purplepeep</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Rick,<br />
 - Reverend Huckabee has been given the grace to see the light and pronounce the one true list of standards God has set for us -</p>
<p>Wouldn&#8217;t you say the &#8220;Ten Commandments&#8221; would qualify as the list of &#8220;God&#8217;s standards&#8221; for mankind?</p>
<p>Many of our laws (and indeed, so much of our nations&#8217; history) are derived from that Judeo-Christian list. </p>
<p>It would seem to me you&#8217;re attempting to argue that conservatives are at odds with a religious morality, especially one that&#8217;s reflected in law . I just have never seen  now or in the past. </p>
<p>I do believe you can find a few individuals who reject the concept, but they are extremely few in number in the real, voting world. But you&#8217;ll never find a &#8220;God/moral code rejecting&#8221; Republican party.</p>
<p>Huckabee is a goofball, to be sure, and would have no chance in a general election. But it&#8217;s record and position on political issues (amnesty for illegals, blame-America foreign policy, etc.) that will sink him with conservatives.</p>
<p>Since he really has no future, I&#8217;d ignore him as being as irrelevant as Ron Paul. The only real damage he can do is to cause good candidates to drop out.</p>
<p>purplepeep</p>
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		<title>By: TBinSTL</title>
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		<dc:creator>TBinSTL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jan 2008 07:50:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here's an example of "God's standards" I guess...
http://instapundit.com/archives2/014211.php</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s an example of &#8220;God&#8217;s standards&#8221; I guess&#8230;<br />
<a href="http://instapundit.com/archives2/014211.php" rel="nofollow">http://instapundit.com/archives2/014211.php</a></p>
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		<title>By: USpace</title>
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		<dc:creator>USpace</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jan 2008 06:45:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>He's an idiot.  Huckabee wants to have adulterers, homosexuals and rape victims stoned to death.  He also wants to make alcohol and music videos illegal, and make women 2nd class citizens and to take all girls out of school.

Oops, my bad, that's another 'religion'.

Hey, anybody but the PIAPS!

if youâ€™re MAD
punish your country
VOTE for Hillary


http://haltterrorism.com/

http://absurdthoughtsaboutgod.blogspot.com/
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He&#8217;s an idiot.  Huckabee wants to have adulterers, homosexuals and rape victims stoned to death.  He also wants to make alcohol and music videos illegal, and make women 2nd class citizens and to take all girls out of school.</p>
<p>Oops, my bad, that&#8217;s another &#8216;religion&#8217;.</p>
<p>Hey, anybody but the PIAPS!</p>
<p>if youâ€™re MAD<br />
punish your country<br />
VOTE for Hillary</p>
<p><a href="http://haltterrorism.com/" rel="nofollow">http://haltterrorism.com/</a></p>
<p><a href="http://absurdthoughtsaboutgod.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">http://absurdthoughtsaboutgod.blogspot.com/</a><br />
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		<title>By: GW</title>
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		<dc:creator>GW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jan 2008 03:26:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When I was in undergrad, I had a truly exceptional history professor.  I recall with clarity his musing during one class that history teaches us that a theocracy, regardless of which religion is in charge, is the single most oppressive form of government.  It was a prescient observation indeed, since it was only a short time later that the Iranian revolution occurred.  At any rate, to hear the Ayatollah Huckabee discuss imposing God's law . . . suffice it to say I find this man's candidacy very troubling.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I was in undergrad, I had a truly exceptional history professor.  I recall with clarity his musing during one class that history teaches us that a theocracy, regardless of which religion is in charge, is the single most oppressive form of government.  It was a prescient observation indeed, since it was only a short time later that the Iranian revolution occurred.  At any rate, to hear the Ayatollah Huckabee discuss imposing God&#8217;s law . . . suffice it to say I find this man&#8217;s candidacy very troubling.</p>
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