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		<title>By: Joshua</title>
		<link>http://rightwingnuthouse.com/archives/2008/01/22/who-are-you-calling-a-liberal/comment-page-1/#comment-1276006</link>
		<dc:creator>Joshua</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Feb 2008 09:16:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ashamed to be known as liberal?  Demonstrates the degree to which your extremism blinds you.  The overractive, simplistic unthinking conclusion that liberal governments are, by definition, socialistic, has sparked the most shameful moments in the history of the world's self-proclaimed greatest democracy. Hence, our murderous incursions into Latin American countries: Guatemala, Nicaragua, El Salvador, Panama, Mexico, Chile, Argentina.  I lived in Latin America for many years and witnessed this extension of conservative paranoia in the US. To call these policies misguided is a gross understatement. Hundreds of thousands of innocent Latin Americans have been murdered as a result of the simplistic, uninformed policies driven by paranoid conservatives who equate a foreign President's desire to raise the standard of living among the poor in his country with communism.  Hence, our assasination of Arbenz in Guatemala, of Allende in Chile, and of the democratically-elected President of the Republic of Iran, and our installation of the brutal dictatorship of Shah Reza Pahlavi.  

I am an Academy grad (USAFA), and served this great country during the Vietnam war.  The new conservatism bears no resemblance to that of one of the greatest political leaders of the twentieth century, Barry Goldwater.  No, the new conservatism is characterized by arrogance, antagonism, along with an intolerant attitude toward those who challenge their extreme thinking.  The norm is incivility.  Even AEI, a foundational nexus of conservative thought, acknowledges the rush to extremism.  "We lost it under Clinton, when conservatives relentlesly attacked him.  Then, the present President Bush chose a strategy of being a divider, rather than a uniter."  (Direct quote from Norman Ornstein of the American Enterprise Institute.)  

As to your penchant for labelling, if I could pass the physical, I would still be flying missions.  But, I despise your hateful, petty tactics.  Most of all, I am sickened that you dare call it conservatism. Barry Goldwater is restless in his grave, as are patriots such as Thomas Paine.  Have you read, "The Rights of Man" recently, or "Common Sense?" 

Show those independent voters that conservatism is a traditional and worthy doctrine, not a haven for extremists.  Do it quickly.  Or November will be a sad month. 

joshua</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ashamed to be known as liberal?  Demonstrates the degree to which your extremism blinds you.  The overractive, simplistic unthinking conclusion that liberal governments are, by definition, socialistic, has sparked the most shameful moments in the history of the world&#8217;s self-proclaimed greatest democracy. Hence, our murderous incursions into Latin American countries: Guatemala, Nicaragua, El Salvador, Panama, Mexico, Chile, Argentina.  I lived in Latin America for many years and witnessed this extension of conservative paranoia in the US. To call these policies misguided is a gross understatement. Hundreds of thousands of innocent Latin Americans have been murdered as a result of the simplistic, uninformed policies driven by paranoid conservatives who equate a foreign President&#8217;s desire to raise the standard of living among the poor in his country with communism.  Hence, our assasination of Arbenz in Guatemala, of Allende in Chile, and of the democratically-elected President of the Republic of Iran, and our installation of the brutal dictatorship of Shah Reza Pahlavi.  </p>
<p>I am an Academy grad (USAFA), and served this great country during the Vietnam war.  The new conservatism bears no resemblance to that of one of the greatest political leaders of the twentieth century, Barry Goldwater.  No, the new conservatism is characterized by arrogance, antagonism, along with an intolerant attitude toward those who challenge their extreme thinking.  The norm is incivility.  Even AEI, a foundational nexus of conservative thought, acknowledges the rush to extremism.  &#8220;We lost it under Clinton, when conservatives relentlesly attacked him.  Then, the present President Bush chose a strategy of being a divider, rather than a uniter.&#8221;  (Direct quote from Norman Ornstein of the American Enterprise Institute.)  </p>
<p>As to your penchant for labelling, if I could pass the physical, I would still be flying missions.  But, I despise your hateful, petty tactics.  Most of all, I am sickened that you dare call it conservatism. Barry Goldwater is restless in his grave, as are patriots such as Thomas Paine.  Have you read, &#8220;The Rights of Man&#8221; recently, or &#8220;Common Sense?&#8221; </p>
<p>Show those independent voters that conservatism is a traditional and worthy doctrine, not a haven for extremists.  Do it quickly.  Or November will be a sad month. </p>
<p>joshua</p>
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		<title>By: bobwire</title>
		<link>http://rightwingnuthouse.com/archives/2008/01/22/who-are-you-calling-a-liberal/comment-page-1/#comment-1242068</link>
		<dc:creator>bobwire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jan 2008 10:54:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Enron, oops, another errant child of an enterprise gone tumorous. thank goodness we had a benevolent government to look the other way, otherwise we might get govt regulation!
And just whom might desire that, after witnessing the Katrina response?
Is it any wonder people are perplexed about the next Republican leader? Where is Rove when we need him most. A whispering campaign, the man's a genius.
I can't get behind the stimulus package. Enough of these bailouts. We haven't seen this kind of intervention since Reagan and the Savings and Loans. Was that not $500 billion? Was that not in 1980's dollars?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Enron, oops, another errant child of an enterprise gone tumorous. thank goodness we had a benevolent government to look the other way, otherwise we might get govt regulation!<br />
And just whom might desire that, after witnessing the Katrina response?<br />
Is it any wonder people are perplexed about the next Republican leader? Where is Rove when we need him most. A whispering campaign, the man&#8217;s a genius.<br />
I can&#8217;t get behind the stimulus package. Enough of these bailouts. We haven&#8217;t seen this kind of intervention since Reagan and the Savings and Loans. Was that not $500 billion? Was that not in 1980&#8217;s dollars?</p>
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		<title>By: Chip</title>
		<link>http://rightwingnuthouse.com/archives/2008/01/22/who-are-you-calling-a-liberal/comment-page-1/#comment-1241538</link>
		<dc:creator>Chip</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jan 2008 03:26:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#15

Agreed, liberals generally tend toward the fallacious &lt;i&gt;ad hominem&lt;/i&gt; style in "proving" their points.

Liberals =&#62; Argumentum ad Hominem
Conservatives =&#62; Argumentum ad Informatio</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#15</p>
<p>Agreed, liberals generally tend toward the fallacious <i>ad hominem</i> style in &#8220;proving&#8221; their points.</p>
<p>Liberals =&gt; Argumentum ad Hominem<br />
Conservatives =&gt; Argumentum ad Informatio</p>
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		<title>By: Chip</title>
		<link>http://rightwingnuthouse.com/archives/2008/01/22/who-are-you-calling-a-liberal/comment-page-1/#comment-1241396</link>
		<dc:creator>Chip</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jan 2008 02:29:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#2

More anecdotal evidence that hatred of Bush causes people to think and write the stupidest things.</description>
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<p>More anecdotal evidence that hatred of Bush causes people to think and write the stupidest things.</p>
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		<title>By: mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jan 2008 23:21:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rick you have not answered Ian's last paragraph where he clearly states the truth of the record of the last six years.How,on reading what he says can you justify voting republican?
Mike</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rick you have not answered Ian&#8217;s last paragraph where he clearly states the truth of the record of the last six years.How,on reading what he says can you justify voting republican?<br />
Mike</p>
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		<title>By: IanY77</title>
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		<dc:creator>IanY77</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jan 2008 17:16:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Matt Stoller is one individual inside of a much, much larger movement.  

No one statement can flawlessly categorize a movement made up of hundreds of millions of people worldwide (aside from carbon-based, bipedal life forms requiring oxygen to survive).  Hence the "broad brush" remark.  &lt;i&gt;In general&lt;/i&gt;, our focus is on people, &lt;i&gt;in general&lt;/i&gt;, your focus is on the ideology of your political enemies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matt Stoller is one individual inside of a much, much larger movement.  </p>
<p>No one statement can flawlessly categorize a movement made up of hundreds of millions of people worldwide (aside from carbon-based, bipedal life forms requiring oxygen to survive).  Hence the &#8220;broad brush&#8221; remark.  <i>In general</i>, our focus is on people, <i>in general</i>, your focus is on the ideology of your political enemies.</p>
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		<title>By: Rick Moran</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rick Moran</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jan 2008 16:52:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;We on the left (broad brush alert) attack people: Bush, Rummy, Gonzales, etc. You on the right attack the entire movement of your political enemies.&lt;/em&gt;

That simply isn't factual.

Authoritarianism = conservatism? John Dean.

And how about this from Matt Stoller just recently:

"Thereâ€™s no such thing as a good conservative leader, period. It is a fundamentally bankrupt, corrupt, and fraudulent ideology, and there is nothing laudable about people like Reagan who tap into the worst of America."

Then there's conservatism = racism, fascism, etc. These memes are promoted on lefty blogs every single day.

Conservatives have been hearing this crap since the 1950's. Your statement about "broad brush" just doesn't hold up to the facts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>We on the left (broad brush alert) attack people: Bush, Rummy, Gonzales, etc. You on the right attack the entire movement of your political enemies.</em></p>
<p>That simply isn&#8217;t factual.</p>
<p>Authoritarianism = conservatism? John Dean.</p>
<p>And how about this from Matt Stoller just recently:</p>
<p>&#8220;Thereâ€™s no such thing as a good conservative leader, period. It is a fundamentally bankrupt, corrupt, and fraudulent ideology, and there is nothing laudable about people like Reagan who tap into the worst of America.&#8221;</p>
<p>Then there&#8217;s conservatism = racism, fascism, etc. These memes are promoted on lefty blogs every single day.</p>
<p>Conservatives have been hearing this crap since the 1950&#8217;s. Your statement about &#8220;broad brush&#8221; just doesn&#8217;t hold up to the facts.</p>
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		<title>By: IanY77</title>
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		<dc:creator>IanY77</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jan 2008 16:46:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Jake good point.

Also, anyone here remember "compassionate conservative"?  Bush spent 2000 convincing people that he was a new type of conservative, then tacked hard right the instant he took office.  Either he had some "Road to Damascus" style epiphany, or he was being deceptive for the entirety of his campaign.  Rick is fretting over something most mainstream candidates do: hide the extremities of their ideology. Hunter, Tancredo, Sharpton, Keyes, and Paul can all be honest about who they are because they won't win.

And Rick, you have to be blind and deaf not to hear the vitriol from conservatives over the word liberal.  Go conservative book publishers and count the titles with "liberal" used in some derogatory fashion. We on the left (broad brush alert) attack people:  Bush, Rummy, Gonzales, etc.  You on the right attack the entire movement of your political enemies. 

As for Nixon, he was a conservative. You guys say you're for small government, fiscal responsibility, and strong defense.  You had total control over the federal government for 6 years.  How fiscally responsible were you?  How much did you shrink the federal government?  And you threw a lot of money at defense contractors, but how much did you give to the soldiers themselves? Walter Reed, body armor, raising their meager salaries?  Hell, George Bush threatened to veto a raise to the soldiers, because he thought it was more than they needed. I understand why you conservatives keep the rose colored glasses on.  The unvarnished view isn't pretty.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Jake good point.</p>
<p>Also, anyone here remember &#8220;compassionate conservative&#8221;?  Bush spent 2000 convincing people that he was a new type of conservative, then tacked hard right the instant he took office.  Either he had some &#8220;Road to Damascus&#8221; style epiphany, or he was being deceptive for the entirety of his campaign.  Rick is fretting over something most mainstream candidates do: hide the extremities of their ideology. Hunter, Tancredo, Sharpton, Keyes, and Paul can all be honest about who they are because they won&#8217;t win.</p>
<p>And Rick, you have to be blind and deaf not to hear the vitriol from conservatives over the word liberal.  Go conservative book publishers and count the titles with &#8220;liberal&#8221; used in some derogatory fashion. We on the left (broad brush alert) attack people:  Bush, Rummy, Gonzales, etc.  You on the right attack the entire movement of your political enemies. </p>
<p>As for Nixon, he was a conservative. You guys say you&#8217;re for small government, fiscal responsibility, and strong defense.  You had total control over the federal government for 6 years.  How fiscally responsible were you?  How much did you shrink the federal government?  And you threw a lot of money at defense contractors, but how much did you give to the soldiers themselves? Walter Reed, body armor, raising their meager salaries?  Hell, George Bush threatened to veto a raise to the soldiers, because he thought it was more than they needed. I understand why you conservatives keep the rose colored glasses on.  The unvarnished view isn&#8217;t pretty.</p>
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		<title>By: Jake</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jan 2008 04:40:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gee Rick, as far as the Right demonizing liberals goes, your first commenter couldn't have been a more perfect example.  As far as I'm aware, socialism has more to do with the government taking over industry, and less to do with things like universal health care..yes Liberals want to create some sort of safety net for the poor, but nobody in the democratic party is calling for an end to private property as we know it. So what possible reasons could the righties have for equating Democrats with Communists and Socialists? Oh yeah, thats right: Demonization.

You may not have personally contributed to this discourse, or you may have.  But the Right has a long history of trying to convince the public that Democrats are somehow agents of the Communist menace.

Back in 04 when Bush was calling Kerry a "Liberal" time and again, I'm pretty sure he didn't mean that as a compliment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gee Rick, as far as the Right demonizing liberals goes, your first commenter couldn&#8217;t have been a more perfect example.  As far as I&#8217;m aware, socialism has more to do with the government taking over industry, and less to do with things like universal health care..yes Liberals want to create some sort of safety net for the poor, but nobody in the democratic party is calling for an end to private property as we know it. So what possible reasons could the righties have for equating Democrats with Communists and Socialists? Oh yeah, thats right: Demonization.</p>
<p>You may not have personally contributed to this discourse, or you may have.  But the Right has a long history of trying to convince the public that Democrats are somehow agents of the Communist menace.</p>
<p>Back in 04 when Bush was calling Kerry a &#8220;Liberal&#8221; time and again, I&#8217;m pretty sure he didn&#8217;t mean that as a compliment.</p>
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		<title>By: bobwire</title>
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		<dc:creator>bobwire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jan 2008 03:49:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And just why should Republicans be dispirited and disorganized? They had Congress and the presidency for most of eight years, surely enough to accomplish, what...(crickets chirping)? So enamored, the voters responded!

During those years the Democrats have been Republican enablers, so I'm no fan of the D's. Any parade, they'll jump in front of it. May they rot in hell.

Meanwhile, the next administration will inherit vast, deep, stinking piles of shit, and although Republicans will be buried neck deep (along with everyone else) in excrement largely of their own creation, don't fail to ignore their smug grins. Just pinch your noses, make it all go away.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And just why should Republicans be dispirited and disorganized? They had Congress and the presidency for most of eight years, surely enough to accomplish, what&#8230;(crickets chirping)? So enamored, the voters responded!</p>
<p>During those years the Democrats have been Republican enablers, so I&#8217;m no fan of the D&#8217;s. Any parade, they&#8217;ll jump in front of it. May they rot in hell.</p>
<p>Meanwhile, the next administration will inherit vast, deep, stinking piles of shit, and although Republicans will be buried neck deep (along with everyone else) in excrement largely of their own creation, don&#8217;t fail to ignore their smug grins. Just pinch your noses, make it all go away.</p>
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