Comments on: AN AMERICAN PROBLEM

By: Dyre42

Dyre42 — Mon, 14 Apr 2008 06:03:39 +0000

Definitely keep writing about this issue. You’re turning out some of the better arguments against torture in the conservative blogging circle.

By: mannning

mannning — Mon, 14 Apr 2008 02:07:49 +0000

I find it exceedingly odd that everyone would focus on the damned terrorists and their torture, and no one even pauses to think about US citizens being tortured right here in America in our own jails. Seems we have two faces about this: ignore our own home problems and whine about the terrorists.

By: Drongo

Drongo — Sun, 13 Apr 2008 19:46:18 +0000

“And drongo, I am not talking about America and our criminals although child murderers deserve the DEATH penalty, but I am talking about terrorists. ”

Why not? What is the difference?

By: busboy33

busboy33 — Sat, 12 Apr 2008 17:35:08 +0000

Drewsmom:
Thank you, and as you are entitled to yours.

By: SShiell

SShiell — Sat, 12 Apr 2008 14:31:31 +0000

“So the thought of torturing or advocating shooting completely innocent people, rather than give you even the slightest pause, compels you to make a joke?”

No, I paused for a moment. For you to get your knickers in a wad becasue 3 people got waterboarded is the joke.

“Kill the ba$tards becuase they’re murderers, and if they’re not then murder them anyway because . . . hell, I guess no reason really. I just likes me sum killin!”

No. I pointed out that the GC does not recognize rights for combattants in conflicts not involving two or more nation states. The Taliban and Al Quaeda are not nation states. Therefore the Geneva Convention protections do not apply to them. Notice the word “Combatants” - I did not say civilians.

“You live your life the way you want to, and believe what you want to, but I have to tell you that’s pretty disgusting.”

I will and I give not one sh*t at what you find disgusting.

By: Drewsmom

Drewsmom — Sat, 12 Apr 2008 12:21:32 +0000

busyboy, sorry, your comments do not change my mind but you are entitled to your opinions. I am not saying cuz they do it that is it O.K. for us to do it but if info is gained from what I consider NOT to be torture I am O.K. with it.
And drongo, I am not talking about America and our criminals although child murderers deserve the DEATH penalty, but I am talking about terrorists. No, I do not think we randomly pick up anybody, most are let go when it is determined they can give no info are no a threat, but our left wing press never writes this info.
Nice try guys but I’m stickin to my guns.
Have a nice week-end.

By: syn

syn — Sat, 12 Apr 2008 11:49:08 +0000

Hold interrogations at The Vault, then you won’t feel guilty while many a sado-masochists will be satisified.

Besides sex clubs already have all the equipment necessary to get the job done.

Just keep saying Americans don’t torture however remember every night around midnight thousands are screaming from their dungeons in delightful estasy.

The hyprocrisy of it all; no torture to save lives but for sex it’s perfectly natural.

By: busboy33

busboy33 — Sat, 12 Apr 2008 05:36:05 +0000

SShiell:

“You are right. I forgot about the “Thou shalt not Litter” section. My Bad!”

So the thought of torturing or advocating shooting completely innocent people, rather than give you even the slightest pause, compels you to make a joke? Am I reading that wrong? Kill the ba$tards becuase they’re murderers, and if they’re not then murder them anyway because . . . hell, I guess no reason really. I just likes me sum killin!
You live your life the way you want to, and believe what you want to, but I have to tell you that’s pretty disgusting.

By: SShiell

SShiell — Sat, 12 Apr 2008 04:17:08 +0000

“If they are not sabotuers, then just pumping lead into them is illegal, war or no, GC or no.”

You are right. I forgot about the “Thou shalt not Litter” section. My Bad!

By: busboy33

busboy33 — Fri, 11 Apr 2008 23:31:17 +0000

SSchell and Mark:

Art. 4 of the GC requires that all captured persons during wartime be given a hearing before a compentent tribunal to determine their classification. Until they ARE given that hearing, they are required to be treated as POWs.

And again, you’ve already assumed that everybody “captured” is pulled off the battlefield guns blazing. The vast majorities of prisoners at Gitmo have been either not linked to terrorism in any credible way or have actually been demonstrated to be innocent.

Posted this link before, to the documentation of the classification hearings
http://www.dod.mil/pubs/foi/detainees/csrt/index.html

If they are not sabotuers, then just pumping lead into them is illegal, war or no, GC or no.