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		<title>By: milo</title>
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		<dc:creator>milo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 May 2008 00:22:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;We know from experience that any additional revenue received through an increase in taxes never, ever goes to reducing the deficit.&lt;/i&gt;

Are you Rip Van Winkle?  Were you not alive and sentient during the Clinton Presidency?

No. Yes. No.

Rank dishonesty, Rick.


&lt;em&gt;Not so, my friend. The growth of the economy brought in 10 times more revenue than Clinton's tax rise on the top tier. And spending increased many times the amount of revenue brought in by the tax rise.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>We know from experience that any additional revenue received through an increase in taxes never, ever goes to reducing the deficit.</i></p>
<p>Are you Rip Van Winkle?  Were you not alive and sentient during the Clinton Presidency?</p>
<p>No. Yes. No.</p>
<p>Rank dishonesty, Rick.</p>
<p><em>Not so, my friend. The growth of the economy brought in 10 times more revenue than Clinton&#8217;s tax rise on the top tier. And spending increased many times the amount of revenue brought in by the tax rise.</p>
<p>ed.</em></p>
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		<title>By: Whatever</title>
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		<dc:creator>Whatever</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 16:48:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&#62;&#62;It’s the debacle of the Iraq invasion that is the colossal mistake that will harm this country for generations to come.&#60;&#60;

Yeah, having an Iraq that is friendly to the US and the West and an ally in fighting terrorism, that really strikes fear in me. 

Anyway, take it up with Clinton and the 98 Congress. They're the ones who declared regime charge the official US position toward Iraq. 73 senators and an overwhelming majority of Americans supported the '03 invasion, too.

In short, if you're gonna blame Bush, blame Clinton, blame Congress and blame the American people and the UN (2 resolutions) too. Oh, yeah, and blame Hussein, too. He could have come clean about his weapons programs, etc. 

But because Iraq hasn't turned into New Hampshire in 5 years, all is lost?

Blank check: Hmmmmm. The only real duty of the fed govt is to protect citizens from foreign and domestic invaders. How about all the blank checks in fighting poverty, drugs, retirement woes, etc.? Concerned about that? I am.

Anyway, Barry, you seem like a decent person. We'll just have to agree to disagree. Take care....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;&gt;It’s the debacle of the Iraq invasion that is the colossal mistake that will harm this country for generations to come.&lt;&lt;</p>
<p>Yeah, having an Iraq that is friendly to the US and the West and an ally in fighting terrorism, that really strikes fear in me. </p>
<p>Anyway, take it up with Clinton and the 98 Congress. They&#8217;re the ones who declared regime charge the official US position toward Iraq. 73 senators and an overwhelming majority of Americans supported the &#8216;03 invasion, too.</p>
<p>In short, if you&#8217;re gonna blame Bush, blame Clinton, blame Congress and blame the American people and the UN (2 resolutions) too. Oh, yeah, and blame Hussein, too. He could have come clean about his weapons programs, etc. </p>
<p>But because Iraq hasn&#8217;t turned into New Hampshire in 5 years, all is lost?</p>
<p>Blank check: Hmmmmm. The only real duty of the fed govt is to protect citizens from foreign and domestic invaders. How about all the blank checks in fighting poverty, drugs, retirement woes, etc.? Concerned about that? I am.</p>
<p>Anyway, Barry, you seem like a decent person. We&#8217;ll just have to agree to disagree. Take care&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: GW</title>
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		<dc:creator>GW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 15:37:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am far less sanguine about the damage of that an Obama presidency could do to our nation.     

At a minimum, the next president will determine the majority on the Supreme Court - possibly for decades to come.  I see Obama looking for people far to the left of Ginsburg.  But for the areas foreign policy and national security, that will be the most dangerous power a President Obama would wield.

As to Iraq, I am flatly amazed how many intelligent people, you included Rick, seem to willing to disregard Obama's iron clad promise to withdraw, and instead project onto Obama your own belief that no Presidential candidate could be that stupid.  Yes, yes they can.  And the ways in which that will damage and diminish America are near incalculable.  What that eventually will mean is that the price we are going to pay in blood and gold to even attempt to unscrew the damage will be exponentially larger.  With one kid in the military and another on the way, I feel far more secure about their future with the military fighting the radicals in Iraq today than I do about their future two years into an Obama presidency, when they are sent into Iraq as part of Obama's utterly insane QRF force.  If Obama wins, I will be counting the days until their time in service is up.  

You look to history to state that America will survive an Obama presidency, but we have never faced the existential challenges that we do today, not only to our national security and foreign policy, but to the very make up of our democracy.  Will we survive four years of Obama - sure, much like a parapalegic in a car crash.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am far less sanguine about the damage of that an Obama presidency could do to our nation.     </p>
<p>At a minimum, the next president will determine the majority on the Supreme Court - possibly for decades to come.  I see Obama looking for people far to the left of Ginsburg.  But for the areas foreign policy and national security, that will be the most dangerous power a President Obama would wield.</p>
<p>As to Iraq, I am flatly amazed how many intelligent people, you included Rick, seem to willing to disregard Obama&#8217;s iron clad promise to withdraw, and instead project onto Obama your own belief that no Presidential candidate could be that stupid.  Yes, yes they can.  And the ways in which that will damage and diminish America are near incalculable.  What that eventually will mean is that the price we are going to pay in blood and gold to even attempt to unscrew the damage will be exponentially larger.  With one kid in the military and another on the way, I feel far more secure about their future with the military fighting the radicals in Iraq today than I do about their future two years into an Obama presidency, when they are sent into Iraq as part of Obama&#8217;s utterly insane QRF force.  If Obama wins, I will be counting the days until their time in service is up.  </p>
<p>You look to history to state that America will survive an Obama presidency, but we have never faced the existential challenges that we do today, not only to our national security and foreign policy, but to the very make up of our democracy.  Will we survive four years of Obama - sure, much like a parapalegic in a car crash.</p>
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		<title>By: HE HATE ME</title>
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		<dc:creator>HE HATE ME</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 15:36:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#10- Actually Hussein is a first term senator and doesn't seem able to even decide whether he is for or against bills he votes on; hence the need to just announce he is "present". Or maybe it just serves to hide how far left he is. You know, in actuality he is the most liberal senator in Congress?

But so many people don't want to hear his deficiencies or how he  got where he is now. We see people across the political spectrum apparently mesmerized by him and willing to buy into the catch words hope! and change!   Of course the real compromiser is elderly John McCain who is only to happy to cave to liberal interests on many occasions. The same can be said of that most compassionate conservative Dubya, who kisses Teddy Kennedy's ring, only to have fatboy condemn Bush for a litany of moonbat reasons. 

No doubt plenty of you buy into the theme that we will unite better with a  "black" President. Yes, he was so great at working for racial harmony what with his 20 years with Rev. Wright. Looks to me like he doesn't really care what Wright says about the Joos and whitey. What matters is what he says about Obama being duplicitous over reasons for criticizing Wright.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#10- Actually Hussein is a first term senator and doesn&#8217;t seem able to even decide whether he is for or against bills he votes on; hence the need to just announce he is &#8220;present&#8221;. Or maybe it just serves to hide how far left he is. You know, in actuality he is the most liberal senator in Congress?</p>
<p>But so many people don&#8217;t want to hear his deficiencies or how he  got where he is now. We see people across the political spectrum apparently mesmerized by him and willing to buy into the catch words hope! and change!   Of course the real compromiser is elderly John McCain who is only to happy to cave to liberal interests on many occasions. The same can be said of that most compassionate conservative Dubya, who kisses Teddy Kennedy&#8217;s ring, only to have fatboy condemn Bush for a litany of moonbat reasons. </p>
<p>No doubt plenty of you buy into the theme that we will unite better with a  &#8220;black&#8221; President. Yes, he was so great at working for racial harmony what with his 20 years with Rev. Wright. Looks to me like he doesn&#8217;t really care what Wright says about the Joos and whitey. What matters is what he says about Obama being duplicitous over reasons for criticizing Wright.</p>
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		<title>By: Barry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Barry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 13:07:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For Whatever: Wasn't it the Mission Accomplished speech that Bush declared the major combat operations were over? Did you forget that little line from the speech? And you must be one of those new no-tax-yet-spend-spend-spend Republicans who sees no problem with giving a blank check to an endless Iraq quagmire. Nefore you get too sloppy with your "anti-war" generalizations, I believe -- like many Americans -- the fight in Afghanistan is the right idea. It's the debacle of the Iraq invasion that is the colossal mistake that will harm this country for generations to come. And Bush has tried to play it both ways... On one hand he calls the war one of the most important fights for America, but yet he tells us to keep shopping. Oh, and there's plenty of room for tax cuts while we're mortgaging the country's future to pay for the war. Marvelous!! You believe his idea of sacrifice is patience? Are you joking?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For Whatever: Wasn&#8217;t it the Mission Accomplished speech that Bush declared the major combat operations were over? Did you forget that little line from the speech? And you must be one of those new no-tax-yet-spend-spend-spend Republicans who sees no problem with giving a blank check to an endless Iraq quagmire. Nefore you get too sloppy with your &#8220;anti-war&#8221; generalizations, I believe &#8212; like many Americans &#8212; the fight in Afghanistan is the right idea. It&#8217;s the debacle of the Iraq invasion that is the colossal mistake that will harm this country for generations to come. And Bush has tried to play it both ways&#8230; On one hand he calls the war one of the most important fights for America, but yet he tells us to keep shopping. Oh, and there&#8217;s plenty of room for tax cuts while we&#8217;re mortgaging the country&#8217;s future to pay for the war. Marvelous!! You believe his idea of sacrifice is patience? Are you joking?</p>
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		<title>By: No Runny Eggs &#187; Blog Archive &#187; The Morning Scramble - 5/2/2008</title>
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		<dc:creator>No Runny Eggs &#187; Blog Archive &#187; The Morning Scramble - 5/2/2008</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 12:16:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] travelers on the Left believe that since government prints all the money, they own all the money. - Rick Moran says we will survive even an Obama Presidency. I&#8217;m not so sure; the clock is so close to midnight. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] travelers on the Left believe that since government prints all the money, they own all the money. - Rick Moran says we will survive even an Obama Presidency. I&#8217;m not so sure; the clock is so close to midnight. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Whatever</title>
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		<dc:creator>Whatever</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 08:50:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#1

Give me a break with the Mission Accomplished speech already. For crying out loud. The banner was for the USS Abe Lincoln, which was being retired that day. Did you actually read the text or listen to Bush's speech? Of course you didn't.

Furthermore, the banner had the effect of commemorating that one mission had already been accomplished--the dethroning of the Hussein regime. 

I mean, seriously, no plastic turkey reference? Saddams kills Mandela?

"from the no-sacrifice war"
I love it. An anti-war guy complaining that  the President didn't ask him to sacrifice something for a cause he doesn't believe in. Bush hasn't called on Americans to brush their teeth every day, either, but I still do. Fancy that.

Oh, wait, Bush did ask every American to sacrifice something. It's called patience over a long protracted war. But I guess you missed it, huh, Bar, since it was spoken in the Mission Accomplished speech.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#1</p>
<p>Give me a break with the Mission Accomplished speech already. For crying out loud. The banner was for the USS Abe Lincoln, which was being retired that day. Did you actually read the text or listen to Bush&#8217;s speech? Of course you didn&#8217;t.</p>
<p>Furthermore, the banner had the effect of commemorating that one mission had already been accomplished&#8211;the dethroning of the Hussein regime. </p>
<p>I mean, seriously, no plastic turkey reference? Saddams kills Mandela?</p>
<p>&#8220;from the no-sacrifice war&#8221;<br />
I love it. An anti-war guy complaining that  the President didn&#8217;t ask him to sacrifice something for a cause he doesn&#8217;t believe in. Bush hasn&#8217;t called on Americans to brush their teeth every day, either, but I still do. Fancy that.</p>
<p>Oh, wait, Bush did ask every American to sacrifice something. It&#8217;s called patience over a long protracted war. But I guess you missed it, huh, Bar, since it was spoken in the Mission Accomplished speech.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 08:05:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Obama is green, the Pastor Wright debacle shows it. He defended Wright, he even stated he would never disown him. Basically Wright was an Uncle to him. Just a month later after his the media   campaign, Obama saw it was affecting people's outlook on him. So, he decided to eat his words and disown his former Pastor.

The questions remain, Pastor Wright is a racist and very anti-American, and one wonders how much influence did that church have on Obama, and how would affect his judgement if he were elected. When Wright took over that church, some people left early on, because he was too radical. Obama stayed.

Now as far as particulars, who knows Obama policy to help solve the housing crisis? Who knows his policy on solving raising food costs due to bio-fuels and a falling dollar? What's his plan for creating jobs, and what about China, what is his plan for slowing down the cost of jobs to that country? What is his plan about the terrorism in the middle east?

We know he wants to pull out of Iraq, and have  some troops invade Pakistan without their permission in search for Bin Laden and fight the terrorists. We know he wants to expand health care. We know he wants to talk to all the enemies of the United States.  

Basically he has said very little on the particulars. He's been more show than substance, part of that is not his fault because he's only a 2nd term Senator. But the other parts he doesn't mention might indicate he is more radical but doesn't want to alarm as many people as possible so he avoids mentioning those particulars.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obama is green, the Pastor Wright debacle shows it. He defended Wright, he even stated he would never disown him. Basically Wright was an Uncle to him. Just a month later after his the media   campaign, Obama saw it was affecting people&#8217;s outlook on him. So, he decided to eat his words and disown his former Pastor.</p>
<p>The questions remain, Pastor Wright is a racist and very anti-American, and one wonders how much influence did that church have on Obama, and how would affect his judgement if he were elected. When Wright took over that church, some people left early on, because he was too radical. Obama stayed.</p>
<p>Now as far as particulars, who knows Obama policy to help solve the housing crisis? Who knows his policy on solving raising food costs due to bio-fuels and a falling dollar? What&#8217;s his plan for creating jobs, and what about China, what is his plan for slowing down the cost of jobs to that country? What is his plan about the terrorism in the middle east?</p>
<p>We know he wants to pull out of Iraq, and have  some troops invade Pakistan without their permission in search for Bin Laden and fight the terrorists. We know he wants to expand health care. We know he wants to talk to all the enemies of the United States.  </p>
<p>Basically he has said very little on the particulars. He&#8217;s been more show than substance, part of that is not his fault because he&#8217;s only a 2nd term Senator. But the other parts he doesn&#8217;t mention might indicate he is more radical but doesn&#8217;t want to alarm as many people as possible so he avoids mentioning those particulars.</p>
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		<title>By: Robetr Lewis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robetr Lewis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 00:13:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A former Obama client, Ahmad Baravati, changed the name of his tax exempt organization IRAN EARTHQUAKE RELIEF FUND to American Care Society

www.webofdecption.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A former Obama client, Ahmad Baravati, changed the name of his tax exempt organization IRAN EARTHQUAKE RELIEF FUND to American Care Society</p>
<p><a href="http://www.webofdecption.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.webofdecption.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Still Liberal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Still Liberal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2008 22:41:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"You are dreaming. What is there in Obama’s past that gives you one iota of confidence that he can “change the political debate?” Those are words – meaningless drivel. McCain also says the tone has to change – fine. At least with him we have something of a track record of accomplishment in reaching across the aisle to work with democrats.

But do I believe he will be any more successful if elected? Nope.

Ed."

Dear Ed.

I did not in any way state that I thought Obama could accomplish anything. The point was only an additional explanation of his attractiveness to certain voters. 

By the by, as a self-proclaimed historian, what would you have been seen in Abraham Lincoln's rather minimal history of success that indicated he would be the powerful force to hold the Union together during it's most trying time? Sketchier than Obama, from my reading. Sometimes the times make the man and sometimes the woman makes the times.

Me? I am voting for McCain. He is more the centrist liberal I am looking for.


&lt;em&gt;Good point about Lincoln. I would say that no human being could have been prepared for that situation - and yes, I believe in the idea that many political/historical figures only show their true worth in desperate times. &lt;/em&gt;

&lt;em&gt;btw - Lincoln would probably have lost t he election of 1860 if the Democrats were united. Douglas saw his vote split in the south with Breckenridge and the north with Bell. 

ed.&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;You are dreaming. What is there in Obama’s past that gives you one iota of confidence that he can “change the political debate?” Those are words – meaningless drivel. McCain also says the tone has to change – fine. At least with him we have something of a track record of accomplishment in reaching across the aisle to work with democrats.</p>
<p>But do I believe he will be any more successful if elected? Nope.</p>
<p>Ed.&#8221;</p>
<p>Dear Ed.</p>
<p>I did not in any way state that I thought Obama could accomplish anything. The point was only an additional explanation of his attractiveness to certain voters. </p>
<p>By the by, as a self-proclaimed historian, what would you have been seen in Abraham Lincoln&#8217;s rather minimal history of success that indicated he would be the powerful force to hold the Union together during it&#8217;s most trying time? Sketchier than Obama, from my reading. Sometimes the times make the man and sometimes the woman makes the times.</p>
<p>Me? I am voting for McCain. He is more the centrist liberal I am looking for.</p>
<p><em>Good point about Lincoln. I would say that no human being could have been prepared for that situation - and yes, I believe in the idea that many political/historical figures only show their true worth in desperate times. </em></p>
<p><em>btw - Lincoln would probably have lost t he election of 1860 if the Democrats were united. Douglas saw his vote split in the south with Breckenridge and the north with Bell. </p>
<p>ed.</em></p>
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