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		<title>By: Tony</title>
		<link>http://rightwingnuthouse.com/archives/2008/07/01/the-chicago-tribunes-silly-suggestion/comment-page-1/#comment-1575599</link>
		<dc:creator>Tony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2008 19:41:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;2. Handgun bans are fine anyway because citizens can use a “shotgun” to “protect themselves – even though I would have a hard time fitting a shotgun in my nightstand (no children in the house) not to mention spraying the house with buckshot if I was ever forced into using it thus endangering a loved one.&lt;/i&gt;

No, a shotgun (no sneer quotes) won't fit in the nightstand.  It will fit nicely behind the closet door or under the bed.  Also, when loaded with birdshot, it's much safer than a handgun.  Would you shoot a handgun in a room with a loved one near by?  If so, you're either a crack shot, a fool or both.

A shotgun can take down a bad guy without the necessity to have to aim carefully.  In the heat of the moment, it's point and shoot.  Also, the shot won't make it through two layers of wallboard to kill a child or wife in the next room, or a neighbor in the next house.

The only problem you have with a shotgun is cleanup.  It makes a real mess.  The added bonus is that the sound of a shotgun slide racking is the most frightening sound a burglar can hear, so if you rack the slide, and wait a couple minutes, you may not even have to confront the bad guy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>2. Handgun bans are fine anyway because citizens can use a “shotgun” to “protect themselves – even though I would have a hard time fitting a shotgun in my nightstand (no children in the house) not to mention spraying the house with buckshot if I was ever forced into using it thus endangering a loved one.</i></p>
<p>No, a shotgun (no sneer quotes) won&#8217;t fit in the nightstand.  It will fit nicely behind the closet door or under the bed.  Also, when loaded with birdshot, it&#8217;s much safer than a handgun.  Would you shoot a handgun in a room with a loved one near by?  If so, you&#8217;re either a crack shot, a fool or both.</p>
<p>A shotgun can take down a bad guy without the necessity to have to aim carefully.  In the heat of the moment, it&#8217;s point and shoot.  Also, the shot won&#8217;t make it through two layers of wallboard to kill a child or wife in the next room, or a neighbor in the next house.</p>
<p>The only problem you have with a shotgun is cleanup.  It makes a real mess.  The added bonus is that the sound of a shotgun slide racking is the most frightening sound a burglar can hear, so if you rack the slide, and wait a couple minutes, you may not even have to confront the bad guy.</p>
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		<title>By: Neo</title>
		<link>http://rightwingnuthouse.com/archives/2008/07/01/the-chicago-tribunes-silly-suggestion/comment-page-1/#comment-1569946</link>
		<dc:creator>Neo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 14:12:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Funny how they can get selective with the Bill of Rights.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Funny how they can get selective with the Bill of Rights.</p>
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		<title>By: DoorHold</title>
		<link>http://rightwingnuthouse.com/archives/2008/07/01/the-chicago-tribunes-silly-suggestion/comment-page-1/#comment-1568716</link>
		<dc:creator>DoorHold</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 16:29:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"The 2nd Amendment to the U.S. Constitution is evidence that, while the founding fathers were brilliant men, they could have used an editor."

 'Tis a pity it isn't possible to go back in time and explain to the founding fathers how the defition of "militia" would be twisted in time and that it might be wise to leave that reasoning out. It wasn't necessary to explain WHY other rights were enumerated and it should have been obvious why the right to bear arms exists.

"The amendment was intended to protect the authority of the states to organize militias."

 That unsupportable opinion has, at last, been eliminated as a possibility.

"... in its last major decision on gun rights, in 1939, the U.S. Supreme Court unanimously found that that was the correct interpretation."

 Only if a) you agree that states have rights as opposed to powers given to them by the people, b) that the Bill of Rights enumerates the rights of the people with the inexplicable exception of the Second Amendment, and c) that you misinterpret the actual results of that decision.

"On Tuesday, five members of the court edited the 2nd Amendment. In essence, they said: Scratch the preamble, only 14 words count."

 I see ... you didn't actually READ what the court decided or are incapable of understanding it. Your lack of an intelligent response is beginning to make sense.

"... they have curtailed the power of the legislatures and the city councils to protect their citizens."

 They have curtailed the power of the legislatures and the city councils to disarm you. How disarming you is supposed to protect you is unfathomable.

"We can argue about the effectiveness of municipal handgun bans such as those in Washington and Chicago. They have, at best, had limited impact. People don’t have to go far beyond the city borders to buy a weapon that’s prohibited within the city."

 Where's the "argument" about the effectivness of bans? They have limited impact and people can obtain firearms anyway, THAT'S your best argument?

"But neither are these laws overly restrictive. Citizens have had the right to protect themselves in their homes with other weapons, such as shotguns."

 So another of your arguments FOR gun bans is that it's OK to have and use one?

"... the damage in this ruling is that it takes a significant public policy issue out of the hands of citizens."

 Have to agree with another's response that the typical gun banner has no problem taking other public policy issues out of the hands of citizens, so where does this argument go?

"The people of Washington no longer have the authority to decide that, as a matter of public safety, they will prohibit handgun possession within their borders."

 He got something right! That's EXACTLY what it means.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The 2nd Amendment to the U.S. Constitution is evidence that, while the founding fathers were brilliant men, they could have used an editor.&#8221;</p>
<p> &#8216;Tis a pity it isn&#8217;t possible to go back in time and explain to the founding fathers how the defition of &#8220;militia&#8221; would be twisted in time and that it might be wise to leave that reasoning out. It wasn&#8217;t necessary to explain WHY other rights were enumerated and it should have been obvious why the right to bear arms exists.</p>
<p>&#8220;The amendment was intended to protect the authority of the states to organize militias.&#8221;</p>
<p> That unsupportable opinion has, at last, been eliminated as a possibility.</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230; in its last major decision on gun rights, in 1939, the U.S. Supreme Court unanimously found that that was the correct interpretation.&#8221;</p>
<p> Only if a) you agree that states have rights as opposed to powers given to them by the people, b) that the Bill of Rights enumerates the rights of the people with the inexplicable exception of the Second Amendment, and c) that you misinterpret the actual results of that decision.</p>
<p>&#8220;On Tuesday, five members of the court edited the 2nd Amendment. In essence, they said: Scratch the preamble, only 14 words count.&#8221;</p>
<p> I see &#8230; you didn&#8217;t actually READ what the court decided or are incapable of understanding it. Your lack of an intelligent response is beginning to make sense.</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230; they have curtailed the power of the legislatures and the city councils to protect their citizens.&#8221;</p>
<p> They have curtailed the power of the legislatures and the city councils to disarm you. How disarming you is supposed to protect you is unfathomable.</p>
<p>&#8220;We can argue about the effectiveness of municipal handgun bans such as those in Washington and Chicago. They have, at best, had limited impact. People don’t have to go far beyond the city borders to buy a weapon that’s prohibited within the city.&#8221;</p>
<p> Where&#8217;s the &#8220;argument&#8221; about the effectivness of bans? They have limited impact and people can obtain firearms anyway, THAT&#8217;S your best argument?</p>
<p>&#8220;But neither are these laws overly restrictive. Citizens have had the right to protect themselves in their homes with other weapons, such as shotguns.&#8221;</p>
<p> So another of your arguments FOR gun bans is that it&#8217;s OK to have and use one?</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230; the damage in this ruling is that it takes a significant public policy issue out of the hands of citizens.&#8221;</p>
<p> Have to agree with another&#8217;s response that the typical gun banner has no problem taking other public policy issues out of the hands of citizens, so where does this argument go?</p>
<p>&#8220;The people of Washington no longer have the authority to decide that, as a matter of public safety, they will prohibit handgun possession within their borders.&#8221;</p>
<p> He got something right! That&#8217;s EXACTLY what it means.</p>
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		<title>By: headhunt23</title>
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		<dc:creator>headhunt23</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 13:53:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What is especially rich here is that the left has no problem taking the decisions out of the hands of the people for such things as gay marriage, abortion, or other such things that are the pet causes of the left, but jurisdiction over a specifically ennumerated federal right shouldn't be held at the federal level.

That's really rich.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What is especially rich here is that the left has no problem taking the decisions out of the hands of the people for such things as gay marriage, abortion, or other such things that are the pet causes of the left, but jurisdiction over a specifically ennumerated federal right shouldn&#8217;t be held at the federal level.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s really rich.</p>
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		<title>By: Edward Lunny</title>
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		<dc:creator>Edward Lunny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 12:45:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I find it interesting, so many communities have "public safety" departments or offices. Yet ,by far ,they are neither. They generally aren't very public, until they remove some right, nor are very effective at providing safety to the public. They tend to be more about rights restrictions than anything else save ,perhaps, patronage jobs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find it interesting, so many communities have &#8220;public safety&#8221; departments or offices. Yet ,by far ,they are neither. They generally aren&#8217;t very public, until they remove some right, nor are very effective at providing safety to the public. They tend to be more about rights restrictions than anything else save ,perhaps, patronage jobs.</p>
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		<title>By: M. Wilcox</title>
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		<dc:creator>M. Wilcox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 06:31:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Liberals don't like a part of our Constitution they find a "extra-legal" way to circumvent the will of the people and subvert the rights of citizens then delusionally think they are the ones on the moral high ground.They must lead truly boring lives to find nothing better to do than pester their fellow citizens with their incessant bellyaching over everything others do that they don't approve of.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Liberals don&#8217;t like a part of our Constitution they find a &#8220;extra-legal&#8221; way to circumvent the will of the people and subvert the rights of citizens then delusionally think they are the ones on the moral high ground.They must lead truly boring lives to find nothing better to do than pester their fellow citizens with their incessant bellyaching over everything others do that they don&#8217;t approve of.</p>
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		<title>By: irish19</title>
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		<dc:creator>irish19</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 04:11:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>R. Bruce Dolt(Dold), the editorial page editor, is a GFW of the first order.  Therefore, this editorial is not too surprising.  After Columbine, he pretty much laid the blame at the feet of the NRA.
If you read the VoxPop section of the online Trib and look at the comments on Brucie's editorial, you'll see that about 90% of the commenters rip him a new one-mostly very politely.  Of those who agree with the editorial, about 90% are nothing more than drive-by trolls with no knowledge and nothing useful to add.
BTW, I get the impression you're from the area.  Are you planning to attend the ISRA rally on the 11th?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>R. Bruce Dolt(Dold), the editorial page editor, is a GFW of the first order.  Therefore, this editorial is not too surprising.  After Columbine, he pretty much laid the blame at the feet of the NRA.<br />
If you read the VoxPop section of the online Trib and look at the comments on Brucie&#8217;s editorial, you&#8217;ll see that about 90% of the commenters rip him a new one-mostly very politely.  Of those who agree with the editorial, about 90% are nothing more than drive-by trolls with no knowledge and nothing useful to add.<br />
BTW, I get the impression you&#8217;re from the area.  Are you planning to attend the ISRA rally on the 11th?</p>
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		<title>By: jambrowski</title>
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		<dc:creator>jambrowski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 03:07:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>thank you rick, thank you very much for this piece. 
one thing that wasn't mentioned is the creation of new crimes when you take the guns away from law abiding citizens, such as in australia's case, where the criminals in the outback (and elsewhere) actually quite waiting for people to leave their homes before robbing them (home invasions).
http://www.nraila.org/issues/factsheets/read.aspx?id=30&#38;issue=015</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thank you rick, thank you very much for this piece.<br />
one thing that wasn&#8217;t mentioned is the creation of new crimes when you take the guns away from law abiding citizens, such as in australia&#8217;s case, where the criminals in the outback (and elsewhere) actually quite waiting for people to leave their homes before robbing them (home invasions).<br />
<a href="http://www.nraila.org/issues/factsheets/read.aspx?id=30&amp;issue=015" rel="nofollow">http://www.nraila.org/issues/factsheets/read.aspx?id=30&amp;issue=015</a></p>
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		<title>By: mannning</title>
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		<dc:creator>mannning</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 02:46:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The UK and Japan have paid for their gun bans and "be nice to your criminal laws" with very large increases in home robberies, armed holdups and horrific knifings. 

The knife has become the weapon of choice now, and in many ways the threat of being sliced and diced is even more frightening than a gun threat, especially to the defenseless elderly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The UK and Japan have paid for their gun bans and &#8220;be nice to your criminal laws&#8221; with very large increases in home robberies, armed holdups and horrific knifings. </p>
<p>The knife has become the weapon of choice now, and in many ways the threat of being sliced and diced is even more frightening than a gun threat, especially to the defenseless elderly.</p>
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		<title>By: Marv</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marv</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 02:09:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"In doing so, they have curtailed the power of the legislatures and the city councils to protect their citizens."

Exactly, the Constitution limited the power of government, not the rights of the people.

No one has limited the power of the legislators to protect their citizens, you just have to do it in the boundries of the Constitution.

Like, isn't that what the democrats (ie: socialists) have been screaming about since 911?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;In doing so, they have curtailed the power of the legislatures and the city councils to protect their citizens.&#8221;</p>
<p>Exactly, the Constitution limited the power of government, not the rights of the people.</p>
<p>No one has limited the power of the legislators to protect their citizens, you just have to do it in the boundries of the Constitution.</p>
<p>Like, isn&#8217;t that what the democrats (ie: socialists) have been screaming about since 911?</p>
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