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		<title>By: usinkorea</title>
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		<dc:creator>usinkorea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jul 2008 18:22:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If we focus on the "when we leave" phrase in the quote, which we should give much play since the cornerstone of Obama's foreign policy platform has always been getting us out of Iraq as soon as possible after he is elected, then I would have to ask --- Does he consider the Korean War a success?  Is South Korea a US success story?  We still have troops in South Korea....for that matter....there is still "sectarian" division and at times violence.  The nation is still split in two...

Given what Obama has said about foreign policy and Iraq --- especially his primary focus on troop withdrawal....

...I'd have to conclude he things the US lost the Korean War and is still prolonging the failure by keeping troops in South Korea.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If we focus on the &#8220;when we leave&#8221; phrase in the quote, which we should give much play since the cornerstone of Obama&#8217;s foreign policy platform has always been getting us out of Iraq as soon as possible after he is elected, then I would have to ask &#8212; Does he consider the Korean War a success?  Is South Korea a US success story?  We still have troops in South Korea&#8230;.for that matter&#8230;.there is still &#8220;sectarian&#8221; division and at times violence.  The nation is still split in two&#8230;</p>
<p>Given what Obama has said about foreign policy and Iraq &#8212; especially his primary focus on troop withdrawal&#8230;.</p>
<p>&#8230;I&#8217;d have to conclude he things the US lost the Korean War and is still prolonging the failure by keeping troops in South Korea.</p>
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		<dc:creator>Unpartisan.com Political News and Blog Aggregator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 06:26:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Obama to accept nomination at Denver football stadium...&lt;/strong&gt;

As the party faces questions over money problems for the convention, Democratic Party Chairman Howar...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Obama to accept nomination at Denver football stadium&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>As the party faces questions over money problems for the convention, Democratic Party Chairman Howar&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Misty</title>
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		<dc:creator>Misty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 00:25:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>O, what a tangled web we weave when first we practice to deceive! - Walter Scott</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>O, what a tangled web we weave when first we practice to deceive! - Walter Scott</p>
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		<title>By: michael reynolds</title>
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		<dc:creator>michael reynolds</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jul 2008 22:45:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You have never been more wrong. Donna Reed had a whole Laura Bush barely-contained-sensuality-under-my-chaste-librarian-look thing going on.

http://www.timvp.com/donnareed0.jpg</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You have never been more wrong. Donna Reed had a whole Laura Bush barely-contained-sensuality-under-my-chaste-librarian-look thing going on.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.timvp.com/donnareed0.jpg" rel="nofollow">http://www.timvp.com/donnareed0.jpg</a></p>
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		<title>By: Pd</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jul 2008 22:01:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I never have gotten all this 'victory' stuff.  I thought 'victory' was when they pulled down the statue.  It wasn't 'mission accomplished' but it was victory of the war.  The words that people use and latch on to confound me.  The 'peace' is what our brave men and women have been fighting for.  They already won the war.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I never have gotten all this &#8216;victory&#8217; stuff.  I thought &#8216;victory&#8217; was when they pulled down the statue.  It wasn&#8217;t &#8216;mission accomplished&#8217; but it was victory of the war.  The words that people use and latch on to confound me.  The &#8216;peace&#8217; is what our brave men and women have been fighting for.  They already won the war.</p>
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		<title>By: michael reynolds</title>
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		<dc:creator>michael reynolds</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jul 2008 21:57:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Elizabeth Montgomery was the third hottest TV wife of the 50's and 60's, after Mary Tyler Moore from her Dick Van Dyke days, and barely edging out Donna Reed from her eponymous show.


&lt;em&gt;DONNA REED? Holy Christ Michael, someone should check your man genes.&lt;/em&gt;

&lt;em&gt;Reed was fine in the 1930's but she was a cow by the 50's.

ed.&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Elizabeth Montgomery was the third hottest TV wife of the 50&#8217;s and 60&#8217;s, after Mary Tyler Moore from her Dick Van Dyke days, and barely edging out Donna Reed from her eponymous show.</p>
<p><em>DONNA REED? Holy Christ Michael, someone should check your man genes.</em></p>
<p><em>Reed was fine in the 1930&#8217;s but she was a cow by the 50&#8217;s.</p>
<p>ed.</em></p>
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		<title>By: Misty</title>
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		<dc:creator>Misty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jul 2008 20:23:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Of those who returned to Iraq, many found their property occupied and suffered secondary displacement. UN High Commissioner for Refugees is the primary international agency responsible for refugees. (http://www.unhcr.org)

July 4: Daniel Endres flew to Baghdad in March to take up his demanding new post as UNHCR's representative in Iraq, managing a team of around 100 staff – most of them in Iraq. 

Have you ever ventured outside the Green Zone?

Only once, when I went to present my credentials to the Minister of Foreign Affairs [Hoshyar Zebari]. I was sitting in a Humvee. It looked like we were going into combat and they blocked the roads for our convoy. I did not feel good about it as we were getting a lot of angry looks from Iraqi men walking in the street. We appreciate the strong security, but I hope in the long run we find a way [to get around] more suited to a humanitarian agency.

What is UNHCR able to do currently in Iraq?

There are 1.8 million recent internally displaced people in Iraq and at least a third are extremely vulnerable and need emergency assistance. Then there are 42,000 refugees and many of them also live in precarious conditions. So, there is a need for emergency type interventions and that's provided through non-food item packages, including a tent, blankets, plastic sheets, jerry cans and so on. They have been given to 300,000 individuals – quite a substantial intervention.

http://www.unhcr.org/cgi-bin/texis/vtx/iraq?page=news&#38;id=486e36fc4</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of those who returned to Iraq, many found their property occupied and suffered secondary displacement. UN High Commissioner for Refugees is the primary international agency responsible for refugees. (http://www.unhcr.org)</p>
<p>July 4: Daniel Endres flew to Baghdad in March to take up his demanding new post as UNHCR&#8217;s representative in Iraq, managing a team of around 100 staff – most of them in Iraq. </p>
<p>Have you ever ventured outside the Green Zone?</p>
<p>Only once, when I went to present my credentials to the Minister of Foreign Affairs [Hoshyar Zebari]. I was sitting in a Humvee. It looked like we were going into combat and they blocked the roads for our convoy. I did not feel good about it as we were getting a lot of angry looks from Iraqi men walking in the street. We appreciate the strong security, but I hope in the long run we find a way [to get around] more suited to a humanitarian agency.</p>
<p>What is UNHCR able to do currently in Iraq?</p>
<p>There are 1.8 million recent internally displaced people in Iraq and at least a third are extremely vulnerable and need emergency assistance. Then there are 42,000 refugees and many of them also live in precarious conditions. So, there is a need for emergency type interventions and that&#8217;s provided through non-food item packages, including a tent, blankets, plastic sheets, jerry cans and so on. They have been given to 300,000 individuals – quite a substantial intervention.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.unhcr.org/cgi-bin/texis/vtx/iraq?page=news&amp;id=486e36fc4" rel="nofollow">http://www.unhcr.org/cgi-bin/texis/vtx/iraq?page=news&amp;id=486e36fc4</a></p>
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		<title>By: michael reynolds</title>
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		<dc:creator>michael reynolds</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jul 2008 19:18:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wrote a little over 4 months ago that we might have just won the Iraq War.  It's nice to see that Mr. Obama has begun to wake up to that reality.

http://sidewaysmencken.blogspot.com/2008/04/did-we-just-win-war.html

Of course I wrote more than a year and  a half ago that we might have just lost another war, Afghanistan.  It's nice to see that Mr. McCain may be waking up to that reality.

http://donklephant.com/2006/09/06/did-we-just-lose/


&lt;em&gt;Someone should hire you as a soothesayer. Or a stock tout.

ed.&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wrote a little over 4 months ago that we might have just won the Iraq War.  It&#8217;s nice to see that Mr. Obama has begun to wake up to that reality.</p>
<p><a href="http://sidewaysmencken.blogspot.com/2008/04/did-we-just-win-war.html" rel="nofollow">http://sidewaysmencken.blogspot.com/2008/04/did-we-just-win-war.html</a></p>
<p>Of course I wrote more than a year and  a half ago that we might have just lost another war, Afghanistan.  It&#8217;s nice to see that Mr. McCain may be waking up to that reality.</p>
<p><a href="http://donklephant.com/2006/09/06/did-we-just-lose/" rel="nofollow">http://donklephant.com/2006/09/06/did-we-just-lose/</a></p>
<p><em>Someone should hire you as a soothesayer. Or a stock tout.</p>
<p>ed.</em></p>
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		<title>By: Chuck Tucson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chuck Tucson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jul 2008 18:18:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rick,

"...due to the fact that now we are enjoying a modicum of success in Iraq on all fronts." 

Where do you get this information? I would like to read it too.

&lt;em&gt;see reply to comment above.

ed.&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rick,</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230;due to the fact that now we are enjoying a modicum of success in Iraq on all fronts.&#8221; </p>
<p>Where do you get this information? I would like to read it too.</p>
<p><em>see reply to comment above.</p>
<p>ed.</em></p>
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		<title>By: Misty</title>
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		<dc:creator>Misty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jul 2008 17:35:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Journalist Jonathan Steele early this year is still right: Although Sunni tribal leaders are taking US arms and cash, ostensibly to confront al-Qaida, they see value in getting organized to protect their suburbs from Shia raids. The Americans may be temporarily helping to reduce violence, but their tactics help to build up Sunni militias for possible attacks on Shias in the future. Once again the Americans are looking for a military solution to what is essentially a political problem. Without National reconciliation and dialogue between Sunni and Shia community leaders - a process which neither the government of Nuri al-Maliki nor General Petraeus seems able or willing to broker - the underlying issues remain unresolved. And the 4 million Iraqi's under greatest threat of having their throats cut have fled the country, there are far fewer targets. That's why there is less violence now. The surged worked militarily, but not politically. The US military buildup has brought some relief from bombs and bullets to shattered neighborhoods, but it has failed so far to reach its overarching purpose: getting Iraqi's to agree to the political compromises that Washington considers crucial for lasting stability. The purpose was to improve security, but to improve it to lead to a political breakthrough, and that political breakthrough has not happened.



&lt;em&gt;That's the danger of using a 6 month old piece of analysis to describe what is happening today.&lt;/em&gt;

&lt;em&gt;Yes the Sunnis could turn those guns on Shias when we're gone. But that possibility is much less now than it was 6 months ago. And you way underestimate the political progress (you're listening to one of the harshest conservative critics of the war here). Tens of thousands of Sunnis have ben released from prison. Sunnis are being allowed to join the army and police. (The Iraqis have begun taking over as paymasters by the way for those security units we created.)&lt;/em&gt;

&lt;em&gt;Apparently, Iraqis are returning to the country at the rate of about 120,000 a month according to the UN (I think that pace has slowed recently) partially because they are getting kicked out of Syria. The return to their old homes is going much slower - around 10,000 a month but clearing out the militias may increase that number. &lt;/em&gt;

&lt;em&gt;Just like there will be no definitive "end" to the war there will be no "breakthrough" moment politically. Many, many things are happening in the central and southern provinces at the street level that taken together, add up to a promising beginning. &lt;/em&gt;

&lt;em&gt;But it all could go south if we or the Israelis hit Iran. I see that as the biggest danger right now. I think the rest is just grinding effort to improve security, bring basic services back, rebuild the country, and forge a nation out of several separate parts. There is movement across the board on all these fronts - slow, steady progress. &lt;/em&gt;

&lt;em&gt;I would be very surprised if all but a residual force of 40,000 or so were in the country by January 2011 - slightly longer timeline than Obama's (24 instead of 16 months) but very doable as long as things keep improving.

ed.&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Journalist Jonathan Steele early this year is still right: Although Sunni tribal leaders are taking US arms and cash, ostensibly to confront al-Qaida, they see value in getting organized to protect their suburbs from Shia raids. The Americans may be temporarily helping to reduce violence, but their tactics help to build up Sunni militias for possible attacks on Shias in the future. Once again the Americans are looking for a military solution to what is essentially a political problem. Without National reconciliation and dialogue between Sunni and Shia community leaders - a process which neither the government of Nuri al-Maliki nor General Petraeus seems able or willing to broker - the underlying issues remain unresolved. And the 4 million Iraqi&#8217;s under greatest threat of having their throats cut have fled the country, there are far fewer targets. That&#8217;s why there is less violence now. The surged worked militarily, but not politically. The US military buildup has brought some relief from bombs and bullets to shattered neighborhoods, but it has failed so far to reach its overarching purpose: getting Iraqi&#8217;s to agree to the political compromises that Washington considers crucial for lasting stability. The purpose was to improve security, but to improve it to lead to a political breakthrough, and that political breakthrough has not happened.</p>
<p><em>That&#8217;s the danger of using a 6 month old piece of analysis to describe what is happening today.</em></p>
<p><em>Yes the Sunnis could turn those guns on Shias when we&#8217;re gone. But that possibility is much less now than it was 6 months ago. And you way underestimate the political progress (you&#8217;re listening to one of the harshest conservative critics of the war here). Tens of thousands of Sunnis have ben released from prison. Sunnis are being allowed to join the army and police. (The Iraqis have begun taking over as paymasters by the way for those security units we created.)</em></p>
<p><em>Apparently, Iraqis are returning to the country at the rate of about 120,000 a month according to the UN (I think that pace has slowed recently) partially because they are getting kicked out of Syria. The return to their old homes is going much slower - around 10,000 a month but clearing out the militias may increase that number. </em></p>
<p><em>Just like there will be no definitive &#8220;end&#8221; to the war there will be no &#8220;breakthrough&#8221; moment politically. Many, many things are happening in the central and southern provinces at the street level that taken together, add up to a promising beginning. </em></p>
<p><em>But it all could go south if we or the Israelis hit Iran. I see that as the biggest danger right now. I think the rest is just grinding effort to improve security, bring basic services back, rebuild the country, and forge a nation out of several separate parts. There is movement across the board on all these fronts - slow, steady progress. </em></p>
<p><em>I would be very surprised if all but a residual force of 40,000 or so were in the country by January 2011 - slightly longer timeline than Obama&#8217;s (24 instead of 16 months) but very doable as long as things keep improving.</p>
<p>ed.</em></p>
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