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		<title>By: Freedoms Truth</title>
		<link>http://rightwingnuthouse.com/archives/2008/09/14/not-my-values/comment-page-2/#comment-1646877</link>
		<dc:creator>Freedoms Truth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Sep 2008 23:01:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Values are “dangerous?” Are Obama’s values (he is a nominal Christian, a family man, seems fairly honest for a politician, and cares about his community) going to attack us?"

Strawman alert! Hitler loved puppies too. It's not Obama's family or that he 'cares' (which is a catch-all for anyone from a marxist to paleocon and as noted Obama's), those are not relevent to Obama's values as expressed through a political agenda. Obama's "Change" slogan goes back to Alinsky's Rules for Radicals. It's a culture change (shades of Pat B.'s 'culture war' but on the other side). 

Consider these value propositions of concern: 
1. He thinks when life begins to deserve moral recognition is above his paygrade and is extremist in favor of abortion on demand and taxpayer funding of abortions. 
2. He has said he would work to undo the Defense of Marriage Act and will appoint judicial activists who will do the same from the bench.
3. While he claims to be for RKBA, he's supported gun control laws that would gut them.
There is much more, in the lifting of socialist-style 'community service' as the highest form of patriotism;
the support for the Fairness Doctrine and the end of the Union secret ballot to eliminate obstacles to the leftist agenda.

Obama's socialist, secularist and elitist ("clinging to God and guns") values will, if enacted, makes USA the dissipated culture-of-death civilization-in-decline that we see in Old Europes most pallid precinct.

A Danger? Yup.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Values are “dangerous?” Are Obama’s values (he is a nominal Christian, a family man, seems fairly honest for a politician, and cares about his community) going to attack us?&#8221;</p>
<p>Strawman alert! Hitler loved puppies too. It&#8217;s not Obama&#8217;s family or that he &#8216;cares&#8217; (which is a catch-all for anyone from a marxist to paleocon and as noted Obama&#8217;s), those are not relevent to Obama&#8217;s values as expressed through a political agenda. Obama&#8217;s &#8220;Change&#8221; slogan goes back to Alinsky&#8217;s Rules for Radicals. It&#8217;s a culture change (shades of Pat B.&#8217;s &#8216;culture war&#8217; but on the other side). </p>
<p>Consider these value propositions of concern:<br />
1. He thinks when life begins to deserve moral recognition is above his paygrade and is extremist in favor of abortion on demand and taxpayer funding of abortions.<br />
2. He has said he would work to undo the Defense of Marriage Act and will appoint judicial activists who will do the same from the bench.<br />
3. While he claims to be for RKBA, he&#8217;s supported gun control laws that would gut them.<br />
There is much more, in the lifting of socialist-style &#8216;community service&#8217; as the highest form of patriotism;<br />
the support for the Fairness Doctrine and the end of the Union secret ballot to eliminate obstacles to the leftist agenda.</p>
<p>Obama&#8217;s socialist, secularist and elitist (&#8221;clinging to God and guns&#8221;) values will, if enacted, makes USA the dissipated culture-of-death civilization-in-decline that we see in Old Europes most pallid precinct.</p>
<p>A Danger? Yup.</p>
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		<title>By: rightwingprof</title>
		<link>http://rightwingnuthouse.com/archives/2008/09/14/not-my-values/comment-page-2/#comment-1646140</link>
		<dc:creator>rightwingprof</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Sep 2008 20:39:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Christian conservatives have a place at the table. They aren't what has been bothering more and more over the last 8 years (much worse in the last 4). It's the "Kos-ification" of the right, the "all or nothing" entitlement more than a few feel, and this applies to far more than just Christian conservatives. I dislike the sense of entitlement that the self-described "base" has. It was particularly disturbing during the immigration wars, when we saw "shamnesty!" and other crap flung around. Look, if it's a coalition, there is no base, and if there is a base, there is no coalition, only others who have to toe your party line. I don't see a difference between that and the nutroots. A coalition requires compromise, and that means you, or I, or Jim Bob may not get everything we want. Life is like that. We were supposed to have learned that as children, but apparently most of the "base" did not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Christian conservatives have a place at the table. They aren&#8217;t what has been bothering more and more over the last 8 years (much worse in the last 4). It&#8217;s the &#8220;Kos-ification&#8221; of the right, the &#8220;all or nothing&#8221; entitlement more than a few feel, and this applies to far more than just Christian conservatives. I dislike the sense of entitlement that the self-described &#8220;base&#8221; has. It was particularly disturbing during the immigration wars, when we saw &#8220;shamnesty!&#8221; and other crap flung around. Look, if it&#8217;s a coalition, there is no base, and if there is a base, there is no coalition, only others who have to toe your party line. I don&#8217;t see a difference between that and the nutroots. A coalition requires compromise, and that means you, or I, or Jim Bob may not get everything we want. Life is like that. We were supposed to have learned that as children, but apparently most of the &#8220;base&#8221; did not.</p>
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		<title>By: brooks</title>
		<link>http://rightwingnuthouse.com/archives/2008/09/14/not-my-values/comment-page-2/#comment-1646119</link>
		<dc:creator>brooks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Sep 2008 19:39:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>CinnamongirlUF:

Ooh, yeah, imagine me, the sneering 'elitist', wanting actual reasons. :p

"Name calling"? I didn't call &lt;i&gt;you&lt;/i&gt; any names. Simply asked you to back up your part of our discussion -- which took long enough, btw. Isn't that what blogs are for? Discussion? Exchange of information? Call me confused.

Obviously the barely concealed vitriol beneath many of the posts here don't matter a whit to you, but they certainly smacked of hostility to me. I don't see it as a stretch to use the term "nutjob" for that kind of unreason.

Anyway, Kenny: Thank you for showing some integrity and doing a little research, and giving me the only thing I was asking of anyone here, after all: evidence. It says something that no one else even bothered.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CinnamongirlUF:</p>
<p>Ooh, yeah, imagine me, the sneering &#8216;elitist&#8217;, wanting actual reasons. :p</p>
<p>&#8220;Name calling&#8221;? I didn&#8217;t call <i>you</i> any names. Simply asked you to back up your part of our discussion &#8212; which took long enough, btw. Isn&#8217;t that what blogs are for? Discussion? Exchange of information? Call me confused.</p>
<p>Obviously the barely concealed vitriol beneath many of the posts here don&#8217;t matter a whit to you, but they certainly smacked of hostility to me. I don&#8217;t see it as a stretch to use the term &#8220;nutjob&#8221; for that kind of unreason.</p>
<p>Anyway, Kenny: Thank you for showing some integrity and doing a little research, and giving me the only thing I was asking of anyone here, after all: evidence. It says something that no one else even bothered.</p>
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		<title>By: CinnamongirlUF</title>
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		<dc:creator>CinnamongirlUF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Sep 2008 17:39:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi brooks...

I am just wondering why you think anyone would want to engage you in the discussion you so dearly want, what with all your hostility and name calling and sneering superiority...

I have to admit, the thought occurred to me that it might be fun to give you what you want, and supply you with a bunch of links and imagine you scurrying all over the internet, furiously lining up your arguments, knitted brow in concentration, googling like crazy....:)

The thought will keep me amused all afternoon...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi brooks&#8230;</p>
<p>I am just wondering why you think anyone would want to engage you in the discussion you so dearly want, what with all your hostility and name calling and sneering superiority&#8230;</p>
<p>I have to admit, the thought occurred to me that it might be fun to give you what you want, and supply you with a bunch of links and imagine you scurrying all over the internet, furiously lining up your arguments, knitted brow in concentration, googling like crazy&#8230;.:)</p>
<p>The thought will keep me amused all afternoon&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Kenny</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kenny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Sep 2008 17:09:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>brooks isn't going to like it, but statistics also tell us that STD rates are higher for blacks than whites.

A simple google search can reveal these truths to deniers.

http://www.efluxmedia.com/news_HIV_Rate_Raises_Among_Blacks_and_Gay_Men_CDC_Report_Shows_24372.html

http://www.health24.com/news/Depression/1-903,47941.asp

The second link also mentions higher suicide rates, which I forgot to mention.  Note also how they "blame" the statistics on (guess?) heterosexuals and (booga, booga) their "discrimination".

People are really getting tired of this blame the hetero White male for everything nonsense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>brooks isn&#8217;t going to like it, but statistics also tell us that STD rates are higher for blacks than whites.</p>
<p>A simple google search can reveal these truths to deniers.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.efluxmedia.com/news_HIV_Rate_Raises_Among_Blacks_and_Gay_Men_CDC_Report_Shows_24372.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.efluxmedia.com/news_HIV_Rate_Raises_Among_Blacks_and_Gay_Men_CDC_Report_Shows_24372.html</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.health24.com/news/Depression/1-903,47941.asp" rel="nofollow">http://www.health24.com/news/Depression/1-903,47941.asp</a></p>
<p>The second link also mentions higher suicide rates, which I forgot to mention.  Note also how they &#8220;blame&#8221; the statistics on (guess?) heterosexuals and (booga, booga) their &#8220;discrimination&#8221;.</p>
<p>People are really getting tired of this blame the hetero White male for everything nonsense.</p>
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		<title>By: brooks</title>
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		<dc:creator>brooks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Sep 2008 15:21:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>CinnamongirlUF:

Hey, congratulations on thinking of that (not quite) all by yourself! Don't wear yourself out.

I'm just challenging nutjobs to back up their claims. I don't think it's unreasonable to ask for factual support for falsifiable claims. Hope that doesn't offend anyone's delicate sensibilities.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CinnamongirlUF:</p>
<p>Hey, congratulations on thinking of that (not quite) all by yourself! Don&#8217;t wear yourself out.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m just challenging nutjobs to back up their claims. I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s unreasonable to ask for factual support for falsifiable claims. Hope that doesn&#8217;t offend anyone&#8217;s delicate sensibilities.</p>
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		<title>By: CinnamongirlUF</title>
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		<dc:creator>CinnamongirlUF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Sep 2008 14:10:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey brooks...

Is that a little bit of spittle I see on the corner of your mouth?

Why, yes, I believe it is ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey brooks&#8230;</p>
<p>Is that a little bit of spittle I see on the corner of your mouth?</p>
<p>Why, yes, I believe it is <img src='http://rightwingnuthouse.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: brooks</title>
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		<dc:creator>brooks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Sep 2008 09:44:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>HEY KENNY:

I've been trying to wrangle some actual evidence of the supposed evils of homosexuality from folks commenting here, but with no luck. 

Do you have actual facts to back up your "well documented" claims? Or are you just foaming at the mouth like the rest?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>HEY KENNY:</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been trying to wrangle some actual evidence of the supposed evils of homosexuality from folks commenting here, but with no luck. </p>
<p>Do you have actual facts to back up your &#8220;well documented&#8221; claims? Or are you just foaming at the mouth like the rest?</p>
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		<title>By: Kenny</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kenny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Sep 2008 05:06:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>HEY RICK:

It is well documented that homosexuals suffer from depression, loneliness, and have far higher rates of STDs than do heterosexuals.

You may not want to acknowledge the facts, yet they exist.  Rick, you have a propensity for not dealing 100% with the truth on many of you posts.  I'd say you usually go about 75% of the way, but ultimately stop, based on fear?  lack of guts?

I can't figure you neocons out, you are not that "right wing", you equivocate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>HEY RICK:</p>
<p>It is well documented that homosexuals suffer from depression, loneliness, and have far higher rates of STDs than do heterosexuals.</p>
<p>You may not want to acknowledge the facts, yet they exist.  Rick, you have a propensity for not dealing 100% with the truth on many of you posts.  I&#8217;d say you usually go about 75% of the way, but ultimately stop, based on fear?  lack of guts?</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t figure you neocons out, you are not that &#8220;right wing&#8221;, you equivocate.</p>
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		<title>By: brooks</title>
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		<dc:creator>brooks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 22:16:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>CinnamongirlUF:

That's all I was wondering. :) There are things &lt;i&gt;no one&lt;/i&gt; should be doing in the middle of the street in broad daylight, straight or otherwise; but I figure that's what public decency laws are for.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CinnamongirlUF:</p>
<p>That&#8217;s all I was wondering. <img src='http://rightwingnuthouse.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> There are things <i>no one</i> should be doing in the middle of the street in broad daylight, straight or otherwise; but I figure that&#8217;s what public decency laws are for.</p>
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