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	<title>Comments on: OBAMA THROWS &#8216;HOPE AND CHANGE&#8217; UNDER THE BUS</title>
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		<title>By: Neo</title>
		<link>http://rightwingnuthouse.com/archives/2008/09/15/obama-throws-hope-and-chnage-under-the-bus/comment-page-1/#comment-1647358</link>
		<dc:creator>Neo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Sep 2008 17:13:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;a href="http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122169427700049941.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;In a revealing slip&lt;/a&gt; in an interview with ABC recently, Mr. Obama said, "&lt;b&gt;If we're going to ask questions about who has been promulgating negative ads that are completely unrelated to the issues at hand, I think I win that contest pretty handily.&lt;/b&gt;"&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p><a href="http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122169427700049941.html" rel="nofollow">In a revealing slip</a> in an interview with ABC recently, Mr. Obama said, &#8220;<b>If we&#8217;re going to ask questions about who has been promulgating negative ads that are completely unrelated to the issues at hand, I think I win that contest pretty handily.</b>&#8220;</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: funny man</title>
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		<dc:creator>funny man</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Sep 2008 04:42:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Antimedia:
don't expect me not to respond when someone calls me a liar. That's why I said the things about you (you still didn't answer my request regarding 'conservative' and 'marxist'; smile). Seems to me you are a bit paranoid these days. Still think Palin is a bimbo cause she doesn't know anything about foreign policy. Wtf is liberal about that, that is just obvious. Defending Georgia is just not in our national interest and that in my opinion is 'conservative' foreign policy. If you beg to differ that's fine just don't bore me with what and what does not come across as liberal talking points. I also have a day job and family so I just don't have the time to visit a gazillion web pages.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Antimedia:<br />
don&#8217;t expect me not to respond when someone calls me a liar. That&#8217;s why I said the things about you (you still didn&#8217;t answer my request regarding &#8216;conservative&#8217; and &#8216;marxist&#8217;; smile). Seems to me you are a bit paranoid these days. Still think Palin is a bimbo cause she doesn&#8217;t know anything about foreign policy. Wtf is liberal about that, that is just obvious. Defending Georgia is just not in our national interest and that in my opinion is &#8216;conservative&#8217; foreign policy. If you beg to differ that&#8217;s fine just don&#8217;t bore me with what and what does not come across as liberal talking points. I also have a day job and family so I just don&#8217;t have the time to visit a gazillion web pages.</p>
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		<title>By: Antimedia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Antimedia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Sep 2008 02:17:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>funnyman writes this "why don’t you lay off calling people idiots just because they have a different take on things than you. If I want left or right wing morons screaming incoherent nonsense I have plenty of sites to choose from. However, I come here for discussions not shouting matches." shortly after he writes this "To Antimedia:
why don’t you try the “American Conservative”. You are probably one of these dimwitted Ann Coulter conservatives who trashes anyone who doesn’t stay ‘on message’."

Yeah, you convinced me you're interested in intelligent discussion. ;-)

This may come as a shock to you, but I'm not a conservative, I don't listen to Rush, Hannity, et. al., I think Bill O'Reilly is an obnoxious jerk, and Ann Coulter is deliberately provocative because she knows she gets under liberals' skins.  (I've also never heard her speak nor have I read anything that she's written.)

More to the point, however, you wrote "I finally did see Sarah Palin’s interview on U-tube. That really is a shame, I mean what a bimbo. Doesn’t know anything about Georgia and Russia (as we all know Georgia first attacked) but she appears to be ready to defend a ‘NATO ally’."

First, the claim that Sarah Palin is a "bimbo" can only have come from a liberal.  It's purely a liberal talking point promulgated by Andrew Sullivan and Daily Kos and Huffington Post and other slime holes like them.  For you to repeat the claim belies your fraudulent claim to being a conservative.

Second, you display a profound ignorance by stating "she appears to be ready to defend a 'NATO ally'."  First of all, the NATO treaty obligates the US to defend the member states of NATO when called upon.  (Although the behavior of NATO allies in Afghanistan strains the terms of the treaty excessively.)  Secondly, the member states of NATO are often called 'NATO allies', but your derisive use of the term (characterized by the scare quotes) is another liberal talking point.  Ooow, she called them allies.  She doesn't realize they're members.

Finally, the use of the phrase "as we all now" belies a certainty about events that typically comes from a liberal mouth these days.  "As we all know, the Swiftboat vets were proven wrong."  "As we all know, McCain's ad about sex education is a lie."  Of course, we don't all know that, and some of us have actually looked at the facts and concluded the opposite.

The least you can do, if you're going to lie, is not be so transparent about it.  And yes, I AM accusing you of being a liar.  And a liberal sock puppet as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>funnyman writes this &#8220;why don’t you lay off calling people idiots just because they have a different take on things than you. If I want left or right wing morons screaming incoherent nonsense I have plenty of sites to choose from. However, I come here for discussions not shouting matches.&#8221; shortly after he writes this &#8220;To Antimedia:<br />
why don’t you try the “American Conservative”. You are probably one of these dimwitted Ann Coulter conservatives who trashes anyone who doesn’t stay ‘on message’.&#8221;</p>
<p>Yeah, you convinced me you&#8217;re interested in intelligent discussion. <img src='http://rightwingnuthouse.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>This may come as a shock to you, but I&#8217;m not a conservative, I don&#8217;t listen to Rush, Hannity, et. al., I think Bill O&#8217;Reilly is an obnoxious jerk, and Ann Coulter is deliberately provocative because she knows she gets under liberals&#8217; skins.  (I&#8217;ve also never heard her speak nor have I read anything that she&#8217;s written.)</p>
<p>More to the point, however, you wrote &#8220;I finally did see Sarah Palin’s interview on U-tube. That really is a shame, I mean what a bimbo. Doesn’t know anything about Georgia and Russia (as we all know Georgia first attacked) but she appears to be ready to defend a ‘NATO ally’.&#8221;</p>
<p>First, the claim that Sarah Palin is a &#8220;bimbo&#8221; can only have come from a liberal.  It&#8217;s purely a liberal talking point promulgated by Andrew Sullivan and Daily Kos and Huffington Post and other slime holes like them.  For you to repeat the claim belies your fraudulent claim to being a conservative.</p>
<p>Second, you display a profound ignorance by stating &#8220;she appears to be ready to defend a &#8216;NATO ally&#8217;.&#8221;  First of all, the NATO treaty obligates the US to defend the member states of NATO when called upon.  (Although the behavior of NATO allies in Afghanistan strains the terms of the treaty excessively.)  Secondly, the member states of NATO are often called &#8216;NATO allies&#8217;, but your derisive use of the term (characterized by the scare quotes) is another liberal talking point.  Ooow, she called them allies.  She doesn&#8217;t realize they&#8217;re members.</p>
<p>Finally, the use of the phrase &#8220;as we all now&#8221; belies a certainty about events that typically comes from a liberal mouth these days.  &#8220;As we all know, the Swiftboat vets were proven wrong.&#8221;  &#8220;As we all know, McCain&#8217;s ad about sex education is a lie.&#8221;  Of course, we don&#8217;t all know that, and some of us have actually looked at the facts and concluded the opposite.</p>
<p>The least you can do, if you&#8217;re going to lie, is not be so transparent about it.  And yes, I AM accusing you of being a liar.  And a liberal sock puppet as well.</p>
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		<title>By: Chuck Tucson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chuck Tucson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Sep 2008 22:06:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bald Ninja,

"The subprime mortgage mess we find ourselves in is because of the regulatory policies of the Clinton administration that Bush was unable to get Congress to change."

I'm sorry, but I don't believe one word of that. Congress gave Bush everything he wanted except Harriet Miers. You're telling me that George Bush predicted this, tried to change it, and his own Republican congress denied him? I have read absolutely nothing to that effect. 

"I wonder how independent you really are with your obvious disdain for conservatives and our worldview. Maybe you have just as much disdain for liberals and that makes you independent?"

Sometimes I have a hard time articulating my feelings about conservatism. To me, conservatism means: healthy distrust of government, sound fiscal responsibility, strong belief in liberty, property rights, and staunch privacy advocates. It is limited government that serves the people as best it can.

So called conservatives have had nearly complete and total domination of the United States government for eight years. Your so called worldview isn't exactly what I've seen. Quite the opposite really. 

The past eight years have taught me that my view of conservatism is about as opposite as you can get to what the Republicans have given us.

When the Republican party does not act conservative, it's members tend to say, "I'm a conservative, I don't know why they're spending so much money, etc." I can't stand that. If you're a Republican, then you're supposed to be a conservative. Act like it. 

I view government regulation of business like I view building codes. Almost every rule in building code is there, literally, because someone died or lost everything when it wasn't. The codes are there to prevent loss of life and money. For the most part, the codes are not unreasonable. They make sense, and following the codes will give you a structure that you can make reasonable assumptions about and expect that it will not fail. Note, I said reasonable, not stupid.

I think that business should be regulated in the same reasonable and intelligent way. When it becomes possible to gain a sales commission on a loan you have no stake in, a loan that basically requires only a signature and a smile from the borrower to get approval - then you're screwed. 

To me, it is unreasonable to blame the Democrats for this. Nor do I blame Republicans for that matter. I believe that greed is fairly non partisan. I could be wrong though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bald Ninja,</p>
<p>&#8220;The subprime mortgage mess we find ourselves in is because of the regulatory policies of the Clinton administration that Bush was unable to get Congress to change.&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sorry, but I don&#8217;t believe one word of that. Congress gave Bush everything he wanted except Harriet Miers. You&#8217;re telling me that George Bush predicted this, tried to change it, and his own Republican congress denied him? I have read absolutely nothing to that effect. </p>
<p>&#8220;I wonder how independent you really are with your obvious disdain for conservatives and our worldview. Maybe you have just as much disdain for liberals and that makes you independent?&#8221;</p>
<p>Sometimes I have a hard time articulating my feelings about conservatism. To me, conservatism means: healthy distrust of government, sound fiscal responsibility, strong belief in liberty, property rights, and staunch privacy advocates. It is limited government that serves the people as best it can.</p>
<p>So called conservatives have had nearly complete and total domination of the United States government for eight years. Your so called worldview isn&#8217;t exactly what I&#8217;ve seen. Quite the opposite really. </p>
<p>The past eight years have taught me that my view of conservatism is about as opposite as you can get to what the Republicans have given us.</p>
<p>When the Republican party does not act conservative, it&#8217;s members tend to say, &#8220;I&#8217;m a conservative, I don&#8217;t know why they&#8217;re spending so much money, etc.&#8221; I can&#8217;t stand that. If you&#8217;re a Republican, then you&#8217;re supposed to be a conservative. Act like it. </p>
<p>I view government regulation of business like I view building codes. Almost every rule in building code is there, literally, because someone died or lost everything when it wasn&#8217;t. The codes are there to prevent loss of life and money. For the most part, the codes are not unreasonable. They make sense, and following the codes will give you a structure that you can make reasonable assumptions about and expect that it will not fail. Note, I said reasonable, not stupid.</p>
<p>I think that business should be regulated in the same reasonable and intelligent way. When it becomes possible to gain a sales commission on a loan you have no stake in, a loan that basically requires only a signature and a smile from the borrower to get approval - then you&#8217;re screwed. </p>
<p>To me, it is unreasonable to blame the Democrats for this. Nor do I blame Republicans for that matter. I believe that greed is fairly non partisan. I could be wrong though.</p>
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		<title>By: funny man</title>
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		<dc:creator>funny man</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Sep 2008 21:43:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Travis Monitor:
why don't you lay off calling people idiots just because they have a different take on things than you. If I want left or right wing morons screaming incoherent nonsense I have plenty of sites to choose from. However, I come here for discussions not shouting matches.

Now to the point of Russia and other things. Russia has had imperialistic ambitions ever since it grew out of tiny Viking settlements on the Volga hundreds of years ago. 
In this case they wanted to show who is boss in that region and of course waited or the wrong move by the Georgians (which they did). Can't really imagine you really believe there were no Georgian soldiers on the move.
Anyway, for some reading that I pretty much agree with here is some for interested parties. 

http://www.amconmag.com/article/2008/sep/22/00006/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Travis Monitor:<br />
why don&#8217;t you lay off calling people idiots just because they have a different take on things than you. If I want left or right wing morons screaming incoherent nonsense I have plenty of sites to choose from. However, I come here for discussions not shouting matches.</p>
<p>Now to the point of Russia and other things. Russia has had imperialistic ambitions ever since it grew out of tiny Viking settlements on the Volga hundreds of years ago.<br />
In this case they wanted to show who is boss in that region and of course waited or the wrong move by the Georgians (which they did). Can&#8217;t really imagine you really believe there were no Georgian soldiers on the move.<br />
Anyway, for some reading that I pretty much agree with here is some for interested parties. </p>
<p><a href="http://www.amconmag.com/article/2008/sep/22/00006/" rel="nofollow">http://www.amconmag.com/article/2008/sep/22/00006/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Bald Ninja</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bald Ninja</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Sep 2008 13:57:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chuck,

The subprime mortgage mess we find ourselves in is because of the regulatory policies of the Clinton administration that Bush was unable to get Congress to change.



I wonder how independent you really are with your obvious disdain for conservatives and our worldview.  Maybe you have just as much disdain for liberals and that makes you independent?

As for the difference between pro-corporation and pro-freemarket: bailing out failed companies is 'pro-corporation', letting the incompetent die is pro-freemarket.  I am also not a fan of corporate socialism as you aptly call it - but neither do I believe that intelligent regulation is the gold-standard we should be striving for.  As long as government has a heavy hand in regulation it will always decay towards less intelligent regulation.  There's too many idiots and socialists in government for it not to.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chuck,</p>
<p>The subprime mortgage mess we find ourselves in is because of the regulatory policies of the Clinton administration that Bush was unable to get Congress to change.</p>
<p>I wonder how independent you really are with your obvious disdain for conservatives and our worldview.  Maybe you have just as much disdain for liberals and that makes you independent?</p>
<p>As for the difference between pro-corporation and pro-freemarket: bailing out failed companies is &#8216;pro-corporation&#8217;, letting the incompetent die is pro-freemarket.  I am also not a fan of corporate socialism as you aptly call it - but neither do I believe that intelligent regulation is the gold-standard we should be striving for.  As long as government has a heavy hand in regulation it will always decay towards less intelligent regulation.  There&#8217;s too many idiots and socialists in government for it not to.</p>
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		<title>By: Travis Monitor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Travis Monitor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Sep 2008 05:05:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"so an army of ghosts marched into South Ossetia?"
The only people marching were Russian. And Russia's version of events is about as convincing as Hilter's claim that Poland attacked Germany on Sept 1939.

South Ossetia 'leaders' spent most of their time in Moscow. And they have a strange reluctance for real independence...
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2079843/posts

I thought paleo-cons were at least smart in their cynicism, and not dumb fools for the KGB/Putin/Pravda propoganda machine.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;so an army of ghosts marched into South Ossetia?&#8221;<br />
The only people marching were Russian. And Russia&#8217;s version of events is about as convincing as Hilter&#8217;s claim that Poland attacked Germany on Sept 1939.</p>
<p>South Ossetia &#8216;leaders&#8217; spent most of their time in Moscow. And they have a strange reluctance for real independence&#8230;<br />
<a href="http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2079843/posts" rel="nofollow">http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2079843/posts</a></p>
<p>I thought paleo-cons were at least smart in their cynicism, and not dumb fools for the KGB/Putin/Pravda propoganda machine.</p>
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		<title>By: Travis Monitor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Travis Monitor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Sep 2008 04:59:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>“... as is your silly claim that Georgia first attacked. You apparently can see through liberal media bias but not Pravda/Russia PR stunts and lies?”

I’ve done a great deal of homework on this one. You might want to do the same."

I guess your homework hasn't extended to learning that the Georgia Govt has recorded radio and telephone messages proving that the Russians set this whole thing up and had moved armor prior to the hostilities. Also, the timeline proves the Russians were preparing this for weeks prior. You dont suddenly have two divisions in a foreign country within 2 hours of a miniscule firing of a few artillery shells and call it self-defense.

http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2008/9/17/worldupdates/2008-09-16T235753Z_01_NOOTR_RTRMDNC_0_-355061-1&#38;sec=Worldupdates


Georgia produced telephone intercepts on Tuesday it said proved Russian armour entered Georgia hours before the start of a Georgian attack that Moscow said forced it to send in its troops.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“&#8230; as is your silly claim that Georgia first attacked. You apparently can see through liberal media bias but not Pravda/Russia PR stunts and lies?”</p>
<p>I’ve done a great deal of homework on this one. You might want to do the same.&#8221;</p>
<p>I guess your homework hasn&#8217;t extended to learning that the Georgia Govt has recorded radio and telephone messages proving that the Russians set this whole thing up and had moved armor prior to the hostilities. Also, the timeline proves the Russians were preparing this for weeks prior. You dont suddenly have two divisions in a foreign country within 2 hours of a miniscule firing of a few artillery shells and call it self-defense.</p>
<p><a href="http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2008/9/17/worldupdates/2008-09-16T235753Z_01_NOOTR_RTRMDNC_0_-355061-1&amp;sec=Worldupdates" rel="nofollow">http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2008/9/17/worldupdates/2008-09-16T235753Z_01_NOOTR_RTRMDNC_0_-355061-1&amp;sec=Worldupdates</a></p>
<p>Georgia produced telephone intercepts on Tuesday it said proved Russian armour entered Georgia hours before the start of a Georgian attack that Moscow said forced it to send in its troops.</p>
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		<title>By: funny man</title>
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		<dc:creator>funny man</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Sep 2008 21:46:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>this pretty much sums up my misgivings about Palin:
http://www.amconmag.com/blog/2008/09/12/non-te-amo-sabide/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>this pretty much sums up my misgivings about Palin:<br />
<a href="http://www.amconmag.com/blog/2008/09/12/non-te-amo-sabide/" rel="nofollow">http://www.amconmag.com/blog/2008/09/12/non-te-amo-sabide/</a></p>
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		<title>By: David M</title>
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		<dc:creator>David M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Sep 2008 18:18:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Thunder Run has linked to this post in the - &lt;a href="http://thunderrun.blogspot.com/2008/09/web-reconnaissance-for-09162008.html" rel="nofollow"&gt; Web Reconnaissance for 09/16/2008 &lt;/a&gt; A short recon of what’s out there that might draw your attention, updated throughout the day...so check back often.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Thunder Run has linked to this post in the - <a href="http://thunderrun.blogspot.com/2008/09/web-reconnaissance-for-09162008.html" rel="nofollow"> Web Reconnaissance for 09/16/2008 </a> A short recon of what’s out there that might draw your attention, updated throughout the day&#8230;so check back often.</p>
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