Comments on: THE NINE PERCENTERS http://rightwingnuthouse.com/archives/2008/10/08/the-nine-percenters/ Politics served up with a smile... And a stilletto. Fri, 24 Apr 2026 08:16:09 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.7 hourly 1 By: Scott Anodam http://rightwingnuthouse.com/archives/2008/10/08/the-nine-percenters/comment-page-1/#comment-1665102 Scott Anodam Thu, 09 Oct 2008 05:19:09 +0000 http://rightwingnuthouse.com/archives/2008/10/08/the-nine-percenters/#comment-1665102 How is it that so many seemingly bright folks here continue to blame the Dem's for this bail-out and it's socialist ramifications? It was our GOP President that signed this misdeed and shoved it in it's 3 page format w/ no anti-golden parachutes, no help for RESPONSIBLE homeowners etc... The Dem's, bless their little hearts hated it as much as we did and added lots of safeguards to make certain it didn't make the fat-cats any fatter and had some fundamental intelligence for homeowners. The President huffed and puffed for this thing to go through and even got into the now mythical yelling match w/ the House 'publicans to no avail. Let's keep our facts straight; simply blaming Dems is not what we're after here. It's a Conservative Democracy modeled after a smaller, less invasive gov't. If any of you like "Rick" say "I'm a total Bushie" again I may wretch. No President in modern history grew the gov't both socially and fiscally and indebtedness like your first term friend and mine- crazy George! How is it that so many seemingly bright folks here continue to blame the Dem’s for this bail-out and it’s socialist ramifications?
It was our GOP President that signed this misdeed and shoved it in it’s 3 page format w/ no anti-golden parachutes, no help for RESPONSIBLE homeowners etc…
The Dem’s, bless their little hearts hated it as much as we did and added lots of safeguards to make certain it didn’t make the fat-cats any fatter and had some fundamental intelligence for homeowners. The President huffed and puffed for this thing to go through and even got into the now mythical yelling match w/ the House ‘publicans to no avail.
Let’s keep our facts straight; simply blaming Dems is not what we’re after here. It’s a Conservative Democracy modeled after a smaller, less invasive gov’t. If any of you like “Rick” say “I’m a total Bushie” again I may wretch. No President in modern history grew the gov’t both socially and fiscally and indebtedness like your first term friend and mine- crazy George!

]]> By: lionheart http://rightwingnuthouse.com/archives/2008/10/08/the-nine-percenters/comment-page-1/#comment-1664986 lionheart Thu, 09 Oct 2008 01:49:37 +0000 http://rightwingnuthouse.com/archives/2008/10/08/the-nine-percenters/#comment-1664986 I suppose I'm in the 9%, because, so far, it hasn't affected me yet. I live in a great house on the water, my wife and I bring in about 250 large per year, we have decent health insurance, we have a good money manager (I highly recommend Raymond James). So bad things could happen could yet happen to me, but right now, I'm a LOT more angry about the wrong people getting blamed than I am about the situation itself. On an intellectual level, I am outraged at the financial debacle. On a visceral level, I'm kindof non-plussed. Give me your honest answer here: what percentage of this outrage is media-manufactured? An are you just jumping on the bandwagon? I suppose I’m in the 9%, because, so far, it hasn’t affected me yet. I live in a great house on the water, my wife and I bring in about 250 large per year, we have decent health insurance, we have a good money manager (I highly recommend Raymond James). So bad things could happen could yet happen to me, but right now, I’m a LOT more angry about the wrong people getting blamed than I am about the situation itself.

On an intellectual level, I am outraged at the financial debacle. On a visceral level, I’m kindof non-plussed. Give me your honest answer here: what percentage of this outrage is media-manufactured? An are you just jumping on the bandwagon?

]]> By: Allen http://rightwingnuthouse.com/archives/2008/10/08/the-nine-percenters/comment-page-1/#comment-1664955 Allen Thu, 09 Oct 2008 00:51:18 +0000 http://rightwingnuthouse.com/archives/2008/10/08/the-nine-percenters/#comment-1664955 I think your post illuminates an interesting phenomena. Both you, and many of the commenters, define "wrong track" in political terms. I would argue that perhaps that 9% are the people who don't define their lives on the state of politics in the country. As you have mentioned, a President Obama will not change the character of the Republic. However, if the citizens define their lives, fortunes, and honor on the quicksand of politics, then yes we are in for trouble. I think your post illuminates an interesting phenomena. Both you, and many of the commenters, define “wrong track” in political terms. I would argue that perhaps that 9% are the people who don’t define their lives on the state of politics in the country.

As you have mentioned, a President Obama will not change the character of the Republic. However, if the citizens define their lives, fortunes, and honor on the quicksand of politics, then yes we are in for trouble.

]]> By: still liberal http://rightwingnuthouse.com/archives/2008/10/08/the-nine-percenters/comment-page-1/#comment-1664924 still liberal Thu, 09 Oct 2008 00:11:51 +0000 http://rightwingnuthouse.com/archives/2008/10/08/the-nine-percenters/#comment-1664924 Conservatism is wonderful conceptually but as a practical governing technique, nothing but a car wreck. Make government smaller and spend less money? Again, nice idea but the practice has been to expand the role of government in areas friendly to conservative causes and the creation of massive indebtedness by borrowing and spending instead of taxing and spending as liberals are want to do. Look at history since Ronald Reagan. Republicans run up the national debt. Massively. Reagan, Bush 1, Bush 2, its all the same. The last balanced federal budget was under a Democrat, and a poor one at that. Why would any sane person look at our history and expect any Republican to create fiscal sanity at the national level? McCain is calling for buying all the bad home loans for people who can't make their loan payments. This is conservative? More of the same old, same old. What other cockamamy ideas are to come? Despite all my instincts that tell me to be careful, it is now necessary for me to take a flyer on Obama. He looks the safer economic bet. Conservatism is wonderful conceptually but as a practical governing technique, nothing but a car wreck. Make government smaller and spend less money? Again, nice idea but the practice has been to expand the role of government in areas friendly to conservative causes and the creation of massive indebtedness by borrowing and spending instead of taxing and spending as liberals are want to do.

Look at history since Ronald Reagan. Republicans run up the national debt. Massively. Reagan, Bush 1, Bush 2, its all the same. The last balanced federal budget was under a Democrat, and a poor one at that.

Why would any sane person look at our history and expect any Republican to create fiscal sanity at the national level? McCain is calling for buying all the bad home loans for people who can’t make their loan payments. This is conservative? More of the same old, same old. What other cockamamy ideas are to come? Despite all my instincts that tell me to be careful, it is now necessary for me to take a flyer on Obama. He looks the safer economic bet.

]]> By: Chuck Tucson http://rightwingnuthouse.com/archives/2008/10/08/the-nine-percenters/comment-page-1/#comment-1664874 Chuck Tucson Wed, 08 Oct 2008 22:33:38 +0000 http://rightwingnuthouse.com/archives/2008/10/08/the-nine-percenters/#comment-1664874 How is it a strawman? Rush all but called people like me and wramblin wreck a communist today. Apparently our conservation strategy is a political stunt and waste of time. But anyway, you were saying about the straw man? How is it a strawman? Rush all but called people like me and wramblin wreck a communist today. Apparently our conservation strategy is a political stunt and waste of time.

But anyway, you were saying about the straw man?

]]> By: Walker http://rightwingnuthouse.com/archives/2008/10/08/the-nine-percenters/comment-page-1/#comment-1664842 Walker Wed, 08 Oct 2008 21:46:58 +0000 http://rightwingnuthouse.com/archives/2008/10/08/the-nine-percenters/#comment-1664842 @wramblin wreck: <i>I believe that George Bush was a very good president in many ways; not all by any means but enough so that his tenure was beneficial to the country as a whole.</i> I think that's probably true of his first term. The second, not so much, and I'm still undecided about the legacy of Iraq, but I've definitely become a firm believer that pre-emptive wars are just not the way to go. Kudos on your conservation. @chuck tuscon: <i>Sorry to tell you this, but in Republican circles, people like you are laughed at, mocked, and shunned.</i> Um, uh, no. George W. Bush's <a href="http://www.treehugger.com/files/2007/02/is_george_bush.php" rel="nofollow">ranch in Crawford is a model of green efficiency.</a> I don't conserve a lot, sadly. I drive a hybrid Saturn Vue, but we produce about 10 bags of garbage a frickin' weak. I'd love to cut down on that. But I've got the greatest respect from Wramblin' Wreck. Way to go! That's great. Any Republicans here laughing or ridiculing Wramblin' Wreck here, or just the strawman Republican Chuck set up? @wramblin wreck: I believe that George Bush was a very good president in many ways; not all by any means but enough so that his tenure was beneficial to the country as a whole.

I think that’s probably true of his first term. The second, not so much, and I’m still undecided about the legacy of Iraq, but I’ve definitely become a firm believer that pre-emptive wars are just not the way to go.

Kudos on your conservation.

@chuck tuscon: Sorry to tell you this, but in Republican circles, people like you are laughed at, mocked, and shunned.

Um, uh, no. George W. Bush’s ranch in Crawford is a model of green efficiency.

I don’t conserve a lot, sadly. I drive a hybrid Saturn Vue, but we produce about 10 bags of garbage a frickin’ weak. I’d love to cut down on that. But I’ve got the greatest respect from Wramblin’ Wreck. Way to go! That’s great. Any Republicans here laughing or ridiculing Wramblin’ Wreck here, or just the strawman Republican Chuck set up?

]]> By: Steve http://rightwingnuthouse.com/archives/2008/10/08/the-nine-percenters/comment-page-1/#comment-1664826 Steve Wed, 08 Oct 2008 21:10:21 +0000 http://rightwingnuthouse.com/archives/2008/10/08/the-nine-percenters/#comment-1664826 Great site you got here! Would you like a Link Exchange with our new blog COMMON CENTS where we blog about the issues of the day?? http://www.commoncts.blogspot.com Great site you got here!

Would you like a Link Exchange with our new blog COMMON CENTS where we blog about the issues of the day??

http://www.commoncts.blogspot.com

]]> By: CT http://rightwingnuthouse.com/archives/2008/10/08/the-nine-percenters/comment-page-1/#comment-1664823 CT Wed, 08 Oct 2008 21:07:04 +0000 http://rightwingnuthouse.com/archives/2008/10/08/the-nine-percenters/#comment-1664823 All I can say to Conservatives nowadays is you better go back to basics. Start reading Edmund Burke and Alexis de Tocqueville. All I can say to Conservatives nowadays is you better go back to basics. Start reading Edmund Burke and Alexis de Tocqueville.

]]> By: MyT_Quin http://rightwingnuthouse.com/archives/2008/10/08/the-nine-percenters/comment-page-1/#comment-1664801 MyT_Quin Wed, 08 Oct 2008 20:30:04 +0000 http://rightwingnuthouse.com/archives/2008/10/08/the-nine-percenters/#comment-1664801 Just a few thoughts from an open-minded lurker. Regarding the word "conserve" - as I came to understand back in the late 70's and early 80's, the word means "wise use" NOT "no use". I think we have not wisely used resources available to us and we have fouled the environment and economies by doing so. To steal a bumper sticker line - your conservative dogma has stomped on your karma. You just can't possibly conceive that perhaps some aspects of your ideology has contributed big-time to current problems. Bush can shoot but he can't aim. Osama lives...and some of us believe that was a serious mistake. We are pouring $300 million/day down on rat-hole in the sand. Worship of the "less regulation is better for all" has led to the credit crisis. Rese ipse loquitor - the thing speaks for itself. At least 91% of the people are willing to look and act based on that perception. While I'm at it - we are tired of conservatives trying to ram your concepts of morality down our throats. Stay out of my bedroom...stay out of my relationship with my doctor...stay out of my hospital room. Life's a bitch sometimes..so MYOB. Just a few thoughts from an open-minded lurker.
Regarding the word “conserve” - as I came to understand back in the late 70’s and early 80’s, the word means “wise use” NOT “no use”. I think we have not wisely used resources available to us and we have fouled the environment and economies by doing so.

To steal a bumper sticker line - your conservative dogma has stomped on your karma. You just can’t possibly conceive that perhaps some aspects of your ideology has contributed big-time to current problems. Bush can shoot but he can’t aim. Osama lives…and some of us believe that was a serious mistake. We are pouring $300 million/day down on rat-hole in the sand. Worship of the “less regulation is better for all” has led to the credit crisis. Rese ipse loquitor - the thing speaks for itself. At least 91% of the people are willing to look and act based on that perception.

While I’m at it - we are tired of conservatives trying to ram your concepts of morality down our throats. Stay out of my bedroom…stay out of my relationship with my doctor…stay out of my hospital room. Life’s a bitch sometimes..so MYOB.

]]> By: Wramblin' Wreck http://rightwingnuthouse.com/archives/2008/10/08/the-nine-percenters/comment-page-1/#comment-1664800 Wramblin' Wreck Wed, 08 Oct 2008 20:27:11 +0000 http://rightwingnuthouse.com/archives/2008/10/08/the-nine-percenters/#comment-1664800 Chuck, "<i>NOBODY will tell me how, and on what, to spend my money. It is my money, and I will use it to consume, without guilt or remorse, regardless of the consequences of my consumption.</i>" I completely agree. No greenie is going to tell me not to "pollute" with carbon dioxide; a natural substance needed to maintain the balance of life in the world. No PETA granola is going to keep me from enjoying a nice, thick, juicy steak. 20 years ago trans fats were beneficial and legislators required their use in some circumstances. Now trans fats are bad and the legislators have decreed for us not to use them. This should be something we choose to ingest or not, but is should be our decision, not some legislator. We should be responsible entirely for our actions, not some far off governmental agency. Another term for conservation is a good business plan. Chuck, come on over to the dark side. Enjoy the good life. You do not have to feel guilty about conserving. Mother Gaia is not going to fall apart if you conserve and enjoy yourself. You are right about some republican circles laughing and mocking these ideas, but these poor souls probably live in New York City and plan to vote for the messiah Obama. Don't worry. They will one day see the error of their ways and come back into the fold of true conservatism. Life is gooood! Wramblin' Wreck Chuck,
“NOBODY will tell me how, and on what, to spend my money. It is my money, and I will use it to consume, without guilt or remorse, regardless of the consequences of my consumption.”

I completely agree. No greenie is going to tell me not to “pollute” with carbon dioxide; a natural substance needed to maintain the balance of life in the world. No PETA granola is going to keep me from enjoying a nice, thick, juicy steak. 20 years ago trans fats were beneficial and legislators required their use in some circumstances. Now trans fats are bad and the legislators have decreed for us not to use them. This should be something we choose to ingest or not, but is should be our decision, not some legislator. We should be responsible entirely for our actions, not some far off governmental agency.

Another term for conservation is a good business plan.

Chuck, come on over to the dark side. Enjoy the good life. You do not have to feel guilty about conserving. Mother Gaia is not going to fall apart if you conserve and enjoy yourself.

You are right about some republican circles laughing and mocking these ideas, but these poor souls probably live in New York City and plan to vote for the messiah Obama. Don’t worry. They will one day see the error of their ways and come back into the fold of true conservatism.

Life is gooood!

Wramblin’ Wreck

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